[lotty27]

They are absolute horrors - all three of them sitting outside the hospital ripping the p!ss out of Audrey (no pun intended ) while she's seriously ill upstairs in the hospital.

She had a bad asthma attack and peed herself - oh what a lark!

Unbelievable.


EDIT: As soon as France was mentioned those girls knew what reaction their dad would have. Straight away it was Emma: 'it's not fair on dad' and Sam: 'it's not fair on mam and dad' while they gave each other anxious looks across Phil. Then came the Phil feeling sorry for himself stage which IIRC lasted about a week! How pathetic.

[LoadsaButtons]

I just watched it during a sewing jag, here are my thoughts, pardon me if I'm repeating anything that's already been said in the multitude of these threads:

* For all that it's Lorraine Kelly's BFC, she doesn't spend much time with them at all, does she? This last episode is the first time I've seen her actually interact with the Chawners.

* I would kill for that detox trip. That woman running the program probably only deals with other health nuts in her line of work, but she was awfully patient with Emma and Sam right up until she heard Emma slagging her off. It might make excellent TV but it's really frustrating to see Emma turn up her nose at the detox program.

* Surely Audrey would be better off in a care home? It seems to me she's got learning difficulties, she's got no friends, her family treat her like rubbish and crack jokes at her expense when she's struggling for breath in hospital. My friend with Muscular Dystrophy has better quality of life. My other friend who's paralyzed down one side of her body has better quality of life. Hell, even I have better quality of life and I'm off my face on painkillers 23 hours a day. I think i'd rather be dead than live the way Audrey does.

[lotty27]

Elizabeth from the clinic in France is my new hero

I enjoyed this scene SO MUCH I'm going to repeat it verbatim!




Emma's slagging Elizabeth off, going on about the smoke, how she took her cigarettes off her last night, how she's a crazy woman (complete with circular moving finger at temple) etc then in storms Elizabeth and I quote:


"I'm sorry this is totally unacceptable. You girls have had every opportunity, I've done everything I could for you girls. I smelled the smoke wafting down to my room and I said to you "I'm sorry there's smoke" - you shouldn't have been allowed in this clinic at all ....."

Emma: "Don't shout at me"

Elizabeth: "I am going to shout at you, HOW DARE you say what you said on that television, HOW DARE you"

Emma: "It's the truth" (said while looking more and more shamefaced)

Elizabeth: "I held in my heart that we were changing you a little, to be kind of normal people and accept normal life. Yes you have to be disciplined - does that make that person a crazy person? Were they crazy at Wellsprings? Is the whole world crazy except the Chawner family? Well I'm afraid NOT. They are NOT. The whole world is fine it's the Chawner family that has to stop and think. Everybody's on their KNEES to help you people, now this is absolutely beyond belief what you people have been given and this is what you do, this is the thanks that you give? Well it's just. not. good. enough!"



I love what I've bolded! OK, nothing's changed, it didn't get through (well, perhaps it did for about 5 minutes) but MY GOD it was satisfying seeing someone give them is straight for once instead of pussy footing around them I'd love to have seen Elizabeth rant at Phil!

[lotty27]

Originally Posted by LoadsaButtons

I just watched it during a sewing jag, here are my thoughts, pardon me if I'm repeating anything that's already been said in the multitude of these threads:

* For all that it's Lorraine Kelly's BFC, she doesn't spend much time with them at all, does she? This last episode is the first time I've seen her actually interact with the Chawners.

* I would kill for that detox trip. That woman running the program probably only deals with other health nuts in her line of work, but she was awfully patient with Emma and Sam right up until she heard Emma slagging her off. It might make excellent TV but it's really frustrating to see Emma turn up her nose at the detox program.

* Surely Audrey would be better off in a care home? It seems to me she's got learning difficulties, she's got no friends, her family treat her like rubbish and crack jokes at her expense when she's struggling for breath in hospital. My friend with Muscular Dystrophy has better quality of life. My other friend who's paralyzed down one side of her body has better quality of life. Hell, even I have better quality of life and I'm off my face on painkillers 23 hours a day. I think i'd rather be dead than live the way Audrey does.

You're right about St Lorraine, I thought the least she would have done is go and see Audrey in hospital? After all, she's been making money from these people and the girls kept saying that Aud was upset she was missing seeing Lorraine. The meeting was only supposed to be around the corner from the hospital so it's not like she had far to go is it? Just goes to show that Lorraine obviously didn't think much of them either!

You do wonder about Audrey don't you? What kind of life is it where at 59/60 years of age she thinks it's all over for her and who is now content to live her life through the television? Plus the mental (and physical) abuse she gets from the other Chawner's is unpleasant to say the least. I'd love her and Jenny to get one of those assisted living flats/bungalows and take all of her benefits including the car away from the other ungrateful gets. They'd find their income significantly reduced then!

[Alberon]

I hadn't seen most of the first series before and it is an eye-opener.

Despite Bio's attempt to make the show's narrative about how Sam suceeds despite her family she is just as bad as the rest. The venom she shows in her relationship to her mum is extraordinairy. As is Phil's reaction - smirking and either sitting back and enjoying it, or joining in!

Phil's tantrum in this week's repeat is fascinating. It's clear he was worried back in series 1 that it would all be about Emma and Sam and they'd get fit and independent and he'd be forgotten and discarded. It explains the way he'll accept friend requests from everyone on facebook. It makes him feel he is someone. And the self-pitying paddy over the girls going to France would shame a five year old. He acts more like Emma and Sam's younger brother rather than a father.

Audrey later in the episode seemed just as upset about it, but I do wonder if that was just priming from Phil, because she usually acts like if it isn't on the telly she isn't at all interested.

If either Phil or Audrey were a competant parent this whole mess could have been avoided. But neither are. Phil has his claws in the girls and they will never leave home. By the time Phil and Audrey die in ten to fifteen years time the girls developement will be permenantly stunted.

Sam and Emma in the recent repeat were going on about how they do not want to end up like Phil and Audrey. Too bad, they're stuck on course to end up exactly like that and the whole sorry mess might get inflicted on another generation.

[collywobble]

I don't know about Sam and Emma ending up like their parents - I think they will be worse. The parents have made all their mistakes without anyone interfering, the girls have been given every chance and don't want to take any advice or change in any way.
I was rushed into hospital last year, my daughter was right next to me and didn't leave my side for the next 12 hours in A&E and then the ward. Someone should tell those bitches that is how a loving daughter acts, you would have thought they would have at least put on a show for the TV.

[tally]

Alberon, I dont think Philth and Aud will live another 10-15 years. ( Although I do realise Phil has been bemoaning his imminent death for the last few years now and having a wonderful wallow in it too). I agree with tenorlady that he has Munchhausan's Syndrome.

As for the girls it's way too late. He's got them well and truly brainwashed and they have been for many years. They'll continue living together shouting, screaming, fighting, living in filth and getting ASBO's because that's the example their pathetic excuse of parents, especially their toddler-like father has set them.

I'd love to see him end up all on hiis own, with nobody giving a damn about him, because that's how he behaves. The only thing that matters is HIM.

Their treatment of Aud, vile though SHE is - is disgusting. I was in a state of panic when my Mum was rushed into hospital when I was their age. It would never have crossed my mind not to drop everything to be with her.
Sheesh, I could punch the lights out of the three of them, then return to Plop for another go.

*I am not normally a violent person but for him I would make an exception*.

[tenorlady]

Seeing as Phil forbids his daughters to go out independently and went utterly ballistic when Sam almost got a boyfriend, I think the chances of another generation of Chawners is remote. The girls will be hurtling towards the menopause before they get the chance to date men freely - assuming Phil will live into his 80's just out of spite.

[lotty27]

Originally Posted by tenorlady

Seeing as Phil forbids his daughters to go out independently and went utterly ballistic when Sam almost got a boyfriend, I think the chances of another generation of Chawners is remote. The girls will be hurtling towards the menopause before they get the chance to date men freely - assuming Phil will live into his 80's just out of spite.

That's what I think too

And I don't mean to be cruel but neither of their parents were their size at the same age were they? Yes they were pretty hefty but certainly not Samantha's size for example. So their age AND size will be against them -providing they find a man in the first place who doesn't mind their appearance but more importantly their nasty, scrappy, argumentative and quite poisonous at times personalities. The man (men) would have to be Saints!

Phil and Aud together are completely toxic. If they'd each married someone else and had kids it might not have been such a disaster but together? Horrible. Whether they knew it or not they've brought out each other's worst traits and the result has been calamitous for their children

[tenorlady]

Originally Posted by lotty27

That's what I think too

And I don't mean to be cruel but neither of their parents were their size at the same age were they? Yes they were pretty hefty but certainly not Samantha's size for example. So their age AND size will be against them -providing they find a man in the first place who doesn't mind their appearance but more importantly their nasty, scrappy, argumentative and quite poisonous at times personalities. The man (men) would have to be Saints!

Phil and Aud together are completely toxic. If they'd each married someone else and had kids it might not have been such a disaster but together? Horrible. Whether they knew it or not they've brought out each other's worst traits and the result has been calamitous for their children

Sad but true.

I don't think the girls have any idea of badly they come over on television, it seems their way of conducting themselves, and their behaviour towards each other, and their mother, is so deeply ingrained, they don't realise it's wrong.

It's the same situation with the filthy house - most people would be up at the crack of dawn, hoovering, polishing, making the place sparkle, if a TV crew was coming round, but they seem to lack any kind of understanding that most people don't live in utter squalor. No sheets on the beds, thick dust everywhere, unwashed crockery, cutlery and clothes, piles of rubbish and a stained mattress propped against a wall for all to see - ew.

[LilAud]

Originally Posted by tenorlady

Sad but true.

I don't think the girls have any idea of badly they come over on television, it seems their way of conducting themselves, and their behaviour towards each other, and their mother, is so deeply ingrained, they don't realise it's wrong.

It's the same situation with the filthy house - most people would be up at the crack of dawn, hoovering, polishing, making the place sparkle, if a TV crew was coming round, but they seem to lack any kind of understanding that most people don't live in utter squalor. No sheets on the beds, thick dust everywhere, unwashed crockery, cutlery and clothes, piles of rubbish and a stained mattress propped against a wall for all to see - ew.

You would think with all the tv they watch that they might realise that their's is not a normal life. Mind you depends what they watch I suppose - Emma likes Hannah Montanna and that is not exactly normal life

[greengran]

Originally Posted by LilAud

You would think with all the tv they watch that they might realise that their's is not a normal life. Mind you depends what they watch I suppose - Emma likes Hannah Montanna and that is not exactly normal life

If you look at their likes , it's all reality tv and soaps, I don't expect they watch much else and in the soaps they're all screaming and shouting at each other, they probably think that is how most people behave.

[Alberon]

Originally Posted by tenorlady

Sad but true.

I don't think the girls have any idea of badly they come over on television, it seems their way of conducting themselves, and their behaviour towards each other, and their mother, is so deeply ingrained, they don't realise it's wrong.

It's the same situation with the filthy house - most people would be up at the crack of dawn, hoovering, polishing, making the place sparkle, if a TV crew was coming round, but they seem to lack any kind of understanding that most people don't live in utter squalor. No sheets on the beds, thick dust everywhere, unwashed crockery, cutlery and clothes, piles of rubbish and a stained mattress propped against a wall for all to see - ew.

Now, come on. You've forgotten the golden Chawner rule here. The house is only in such squalor because its too small and the landlord does nothing about the damp. And of course, all the rubbish, dirty clothes and unwashed dishes was all added digitally at great expense by Bio to make them look bad.

In short (all together now) -it isn't their fault!

[lotty27]

Originally Posted by greengran

If you look at their likes , it's all reality tv and soaps, I don't expect they watch much else and in the soaps they're all screaming and shouting at each other, they probably think that is how most people behave.

Ah but they scream and shout at each other in CLEAN HOUSES! No p!ss stained mattresses nonchalantly leaning up against the wall in soapland. Well, not unless it's meant to be a squat. Or a council flat in a 'dodgy' area

Come to think of it the main bedroom does look rather like a squat doesn't it? Mattresses on the floor, peeling wallpaper - are we sure the Chawn's are there legally?!

[lotty27]

I'm thinking back to Phil's rant about not going to France, particularly the part when he's ranting upstairs and shouts down to Director Dan - "You don't know what you've done to this family!" *

Yeah Phil, must be simply awful having a reality show sending your daughter's to a very expensive health clinic in France eh? Thousands of pounds in freebies? Oh how simply frightful! You poor, poor darlings! How nasty and downright EVIL of the Bio channel. I'd be kicking off too



* prat. It was HIM who was kicking off for a week and making his daughter's weekend a misery NOT Bio channel! Useless bloody Audrey too! Instead of telling her juvenile husband to pull himself together and shut the eff up she just shrugs as if she's powerless in the face of such an all encompassing sulk! Only Emma really stands up to him by walking off, putting the phone down on him etc and guess what? Which Chawner is he closest to? The one who takes the least sh!t! Funny that. It's certainly not nodding dog Audrey or the waterworks factory that is Sam is it? Nope, it's Emma, the one who at least does try to put him in his place from time to time. Just one more that way she's more like his wife than his daughter.

[Free as a bird]

Makes me wonder what needed doing in the hotel room for an hour whilst Emma and Phil couldn't go with Sam in the back of the ambulance with Aud.

When Emma was in France she said the hospital want her to have a camera put down, and this is 2 years ago is it not?

So basically zero weight loss in two years, and she probably still has to take acid tablets.

What a waste of time.

[wannabegothchav]

Wooo finally caught up after my fortnight off from Chawnerland! Is Phil still a Tw*t? Is Sam still a twisty toddler? Is Emma still a deformed weeble? Is Audrey still Jabba?

Yup, guess not a lot has changed!

[jerseyporter]

Originally Posted by lotty27

Elizabeth from the clinic in France is my new hero

I enjoyed this scene SO MUCH I'm going to repeat it verbatim!




Emma's slagging Elizabeth off, going on about the smoke, how she took her cigarettes off her last night, how she's a crazy woman (complete with circular moving finger at temple) etc then in storms Elizabeth and I quote:


"I'm sorry this is totally unacceptable. You girls have had every opportunity, I've done everything I could for you girls. I smelled the smoke wafting down to my room and I said to you "I'm sorry there's smoke" - you shouldn't have been allowed in this clinic at all ....."

Emma: "Don't shout at me"

Elizabeth: "I am going to shout at you, HOW DARE you say what you said on that television, HOW DARE you"

Emma: "It's the truth" (said while looking more and more shamefaced)

Elizabeth: "I held in my heart that we were changing you a little, to be kind of normal people and accept normal life. Yes you have to be disciplined - does that make that person a crazy person? Were they crazy at Wellsprings? Is the whole world crazy except the Chawner family? Well I'm afraid NOT. They are NOT. The whole world is fine it's the Chawner family that has to stop and think. Everybody's on their KNEES to help you people, now this is absolutely beyond belief what you people have been given and this is what you do, this is the thanks that you give? Well it's just. not. good. enough!"



I love what I've bolded! OK, nothing's changed, it didn't get through (well, perhaps it did for about 5 minutes) but MY GOD it was satisfying seeing someone give them is straight for once instead of pussy footing around them I'd love to have seen Elizabeth rant at Phil!

I said exactly the same to my daughter! Elizabeth is the only one in all these years of programmes who's spoken the truth in the way it should have been spoken all along. If Phil and Aud had been fit enough to go to France it would have made for interesting viewing - in their own home they are in charge, but in Elizabeth's home she is most definitely the boss and they wouldn't have been able to sit around moaning all the time either! I'd have sentenced them to a year with Elizabeth as bare minimum (with apologies to Elizabeth, who wouldn't deserve to be put through it, lol!). Oh well, it will never happen - it's too late now anyway.

[Starstruck!]

How in the name of all that's holy is this family allowed to claim the benefits they get? How has their GP signed them off sick for so long? Where is the agency who decides if they can or cannot work? I truly cannot fathom out why they are all on sickness benefits. They should all be investigated and start getting off their backsides and find some sort of employment. It seems that laziness results in benefits being paid which is so unfair to those who truly deserve these benefits.

[jack_1471]

The BBC have a 'Where are you on the Global Fat Scale?' tool online today.

Wonder how the Chawner's would rate!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18770328

[tenorlady]

Originally Posted by Starstruck!

How in the name of all that's holy is this family allowed to claim the benefits they get? How has their GP signed them off sick for so long? Where is the agency who decides if they can or cannot work? I truly cannot fathom out why they are all on sickness benefits. They should all be investigated and start getting off their backsides and find some sort of employment. It seems that laziness results in benefits being paid which is so unfair to those who truly deserve these benefits.

And it's not just a recent thing either, the parents have been claiming benefits for decades. No wonder Emma thinks it's okay to sit on her fat arse all day and tweet z-list celebrities and play Castleville on Facebook.

[tenorlady]

Another update from Philth, who completely fails to recognise the sarcasm from "Twice Green" who are uploading tribute songs about him to Youtube. I almost feel sorry for him, surely he has someone in his life with some common sense who can tell him he's being mocked?

Hi twice green it was very nice talking two you both you are both very sweet and lovely girls and we think you are going a long way with everything you do and we all would love to meet you both and your family and there is other friends we would like to meet if we can come over so thank you for the videos you have done for us please keep them coming and we all hope to get out to see you all sometime and we do appreciate everything you have done for us and be safe with the earthquakes we all would hate it to see you have had an earthquake on TV and something has happened to any of you all in New Zealand has we love you all so we send our love to you both and love to your family you have a good weekend and take care and we will speak to you soon love Phil and family xxxxxx

[LilAud]

Originally Posted by jack_1471

The BBC have a 'Where are you on the Global Fat Scale?' tool online today.

Wonder how the Chawner's would rate!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18770328

Well, I am below average for the UK and above average globally. I am like someone from Botswana!! Must visit them sometime

[tally]

Originally Posted by LilAud

Well, I am below average for the UK and above average globally. I am like someone from Botswana!! Must visit them sometime

Ha! I'm going to take that questionnaire if it shows I'm average somewhere/anywhere.

[kiviraat]

I just took that little questionnaire and felt utterly Chawn-like in the process... My excuse is that a lot of it is muscle (but I also like cake )