[kalifire_uk]

Currently at #6.

This is huge for her. I knew there'd be some here still clinging on to the notion she's not successful but it's amusing to see it! The reality is it's a massive achievement, whichever way you slice it.

Good for Cher!

[konofilius]

and she's #27 up from #35 on Billboard Hot100!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LoveBug.]

Honesty didn't expect her to do so well over in America......... shows that anything is possible.

[ThaGazBoi]

Can I just say how shocked but happy that Want U Back is doing so well in the states? Amazing track and thank the lord for small mercies that she didn't release Swagger Jagger over there!

[my name is joe]

Originally Posted by LoveBug.

Honesty didn't expect her to do so well over in America......... shows that anything is possible.

well not anything

[rombod]

Originally Posted by LoveBug.

Honesty didn't expect her to do so well over in America......... shows that anything is possible.

No, it just shows that you underestimated the Queen.


(Jokez~)

[ali12354]

no 5
ahhhhhhhhh

[my name is joe]

what actually counts as a no1 in the US anyhow (I know she's not there, but just generally speaking)?

i mean is it itunes position, Billboard, or some cross section of charts or what?

i'm sure it sounds a daft question, but i have no idea

[C14E]

Originally Posted by my name is joe

what actually counts as a no1 in the US anyhow (I know she's not there, but just generally speaking)?

i mean is it itunes position, Billboard, or some cross section of charts or what?

i'm sure it sounds a daft question, but i have no idea

"Officially", it's the Billboard Hot 100 which is some combination of sales, airplay and streaming (and possibly other things?),

Nobody really argued with it because until a few years ago, nobody in the US bought singles. Then digital blew up and now it seems stupid to put so much emphasis on airplay but that's the way it is.

The Digital Songs chart is basically what we'd see in the UK - just sales. For the past week this was the top 10:

1. Carly Rae Jepsen, “Call Me Maybe” – 244k
2. Katy Perry, “Wide Awake” – 210k
3. Maroon 5 f/Wiz Khalifa, “Payphone” – 183k
4. Flo Rida, “Whistle” – 172k
5. Ellie Goulding, “Lights” – 160k
6. Gotye f/Kimbra “Somebody That I Used to Know” – 142k
7. David Guetta f/Sia, “Titanium” – 138k
8. Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen, “Good Time” – 127k
9. Rihanna, “Where Have You Been” – 102k
10. Usher, “Scream” – 97k

Sales data from the good folks at Hits Daily Double (HDD).

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

[gpk]

Originally Posted by C14E

Nobody really argued with it because until a few years ago, nobody in the US bought singles. Then digital blew up and now it seems stupid to put so much emphasis on airplay but that's the way it is.

that is not strictly true. the hot 100 has often come under fire for its rules and the chart has been open to manipulation from record companies over the years. of course, digital sales have made single more popular, but that has happened across the industry. during the nineties the biggest selling single every year sold over 1.5 million copies and 6 of those years the biggest selling single sold over 2 million copies. it was claimed by us labels during that period that single sales were cannibalising album sales and many songs were sent to radio without a single release.

[C14E]

Originally Posted by gpk

that is not strictly true. the hot 100 has often come under fire for its rules and the chart has been open to manipulation from record companies over the years. of course, digital sales have made single more popular, but that has happened across the industry. during the nineties the biggest selling single every year sold over 1.5 million copies and 6 of those years the biggest selling single sold over 2 million copies. it was claimed by us labels during that period that single sales were cannibalising album sales and many songs were sent to radio without a single release.

True - but for this century, singles sales were tiny in the US. That sector declined far quicker and far more significantly over there than it did here. But with things improving so much in the past few years, including airplay seems less and less important. I guess including stuff like streaming is an attempt to be more up to date.

For Cher, a good BB placing would be great. But as is always the case, it will be sales that matter most.

[gpk]

Originally Posted by C14E

True - but for this century, singles sales were tiny in the US. That sector declined far quicker and far more significantly over there than it did here. But with things improving so much in the past few years, including airplay seems less and less important. I guess including stuff like streaming is an attempt to be more up to date.

For Cher, a good BB placing would be great. But as is always the case, it will be sales that matter most.

well maybe i took your post too literally. however, you did write that `until a few years ago, nobody in the US bought singles`. when historically that was not the case. as i said in my post, record companies in the us were moving away from releasing songs as singles and were just sending tracks to radio in a bid to sell more albums. that might in some way explain the slump at the beginning of this century.

i do agree that sales are most important. however, artists in the us still strive for the #1 on the hot 100. i have lost count of the amount of times where artists talk about radio increases for their single and it is still a big deal over there.

[M@nterik]

What a phenomenal achievement, number 27. Stunning performance which surely puts The Beatles and The Stones to shame.



So with all of that hype, all of the airplay, all of the interviews on various stations (more a hinderance I would imagine than a help) and Cowells machine behind her she stutters to 27 on the Hot 100. Not even top 20 material.

LOL

[my name is joe]

Originally Posted by C14E

"Officially", it's the Billboard Hot 100 which is some combination of sales, airplay and streaming (and possibly other things?),

Nobody really argued with it because until a few years ago, nobody in the US bought singles. Then digital blew up and now it seems stupid to put so much emphasis on airplay but that's the way it is.

The Digital Songs chart is basically what we'd see in the UK - just sales. For the past week this was the top 10:

1. Carly Rae Jepsen, “Call Me Maybe” – 244k
2. Katy Perry, “Wide Awake” – 210k
3. Maroon 5 f/Wiz Khalifa, “Payphone” – 183k
4. Flo Rida, “Whistle” – 172k
5. Ellie Goulding, “Lights” – 160k
6. Gotye f/Kimbra “Somebody That I Used to Know” – 142k
7. David Guetta f/Sia, “Titanium” – 138k
8. Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen, “Good Time” – 127k
9. Rihanna, “Where Have You Been” – 102k
10. Usher, “Scream” – 97k

Sales data from the good folks at Hits Daily Double (HDD).

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

thanks C14E. And yep it does seem odd to chart airplay and other factors...that's not really a measure of anything if our radio is anything to go by?

sort it out US

[my name is joe]

Originally Posted by M@nterik

What a phenomenal achievement, number 27. Stunning performance which surely puts The Beatles and The Stones to shame.



So with all of that hype, all of the airplay, all of the interviews on various stations (more a hinderance I would imagine than a help) and Cowells machine behind her she stutters to 27 on the Hot 100. Not even top 20 material.

LOL

just a few things. There's been very little hype (no tv shows etc - compare to 1D who were on Ellen and everything else), and most of the time she's even been over here. Every new artist does the radio tour. Secondly it's 27 now but hasn't finished yet. Thirdly ask Olly Murs, who's just had the promo of touring there with 1D, and the rest of Cowells supposed machine behind him, how it's going for him.

edit: also, presumably when there is a discrepancy between billboard position and itunes, the hype as you call it (airplay etc) is considerably less than the songs popularity (sales). It's when it's the other way around that there's a problem of hype not matching achievement....i'd guess

[GREATGUY]

Originally Posted by M@nterik

What a phenomenal achievement, number 27. Stunning performance which surely puts The Beatles and The Stones to shame.



So with all of that hype, all of the airplay, all of the interviews on various stations (more a hinderance I would imagine than a help) and Cowells machine behind her she stutters to 27 on the Hot 100. Not even top 20 material.

LOL

Im quessing you have very little understanding of how the US charts work.

Songs typically (particully new songs by unestablished artists) climb there way slowly up the hot 100 as sales and airplay build. Airplay usually builds much slower than sales so can take a while to catch up, meaning songs are often top 10 on itunes yet still outside of the top 20 on the hot 100 but airplay usually does eventually catch up. She should have a pretty decent jump next week as she has been top 10 all week on itunes.

Carly Rae Jepson was in a similar position not so long ago (top 5 itunes but not top 20 on hot 100) and she ended up eventually topping the hot 100.

[Stally]

Originally Posted by my name is joe

just a few things. There's been very little hype (no tv shows etc - compare to 1D who were on Ellen and everything else), and most of the time she's even been over here. Every new artist does the radio tour. Secondly it's 27 now but hasn't finished yet. Thirdly ask Olly Murs, who's just had the promo of touring there with 1D, and the rest of Cowells supposed machine behind him, how it's going for him.

edit: also, presumably when there is a discrepancy between billboard position and itunes, the hype as you call it (airplay etc) is considerably less than the songs popularity (sales). It's when it's the other way around that there's a problem of hype not matching achievement....i'd guess

1D didn't appear on Ellen. I think you've got 1D and The Wanted mixed up

I'm sure Cher will be performing on more shows after AGT.

[my name is joe]

Originally Posted by Stally

1D didn't appear on Ellen. I think you've got 1D and The Wanted mixed up

I'm sure Cher will be performing on more shows after AGT.

oh ok fair do's, easily done at a glance

[Fatfeatheryowl]

Originally Posted by my name is joe

oh ok fair do's, easily done at a glance

Oh come on, one are group of lads in their late teens/ early twenties put together by an impresario after an audition process to be linked to national media exposure and the other......... Oh wait, silly me

( only joshing folks)

[my name is joe]

Originally Posted by Fatfeatheryowl

Oh come on, one are group of lads in their late teens/ early twenties put together by an impresario after an audition process to be linked to national media exposure and the other......... Oh wait, silly me

( only joshing folks)

don't even joke it's war between their two fanbases isn't it?

back on topic, the girl Cher at 4 now

[tj hazuki]

Originally Posted by M@nterik

What a phenomenal achievement, number 27. Stunning performance which surely puts The Beatles and The Stones to shame.



So with all of that hype, all of the airplay, all of the interviews on various stations (more a hinderance I would imagine than a help) and Cowells machine behind her she stutters to 27 on the Hot 100. Not even top 20 material.

LOL

Um...the song is still rising. It hasn't even peaked yet.Wait till the radio jumps on thesong; it'll blow up. #5 on iTunes is VERY good for a song with low airplay. It bodes well in the coming weeks for the song.

[BrokenArrow]

Originally Posted by C14E

"Officially", it's the Billboard Hot 100 which is some combination of sales, airplay and streaming (and possibly other things?),

Nobody really argued with it because until a few years ago, nobody in the US bought singles. Then digital blew up and now it seems stupid to put so much emphasis on airplay but that's the way it is.

The Digital Songs chart is basically what we'd see in the UK - just sales. For the past week this was the top 10:

1. Carly Rae Jepsen, “Call Me Maybe” – 244k
2. Katy Perry, “Wide Awake” – 210k
3. Maroon 5 f/Wiz Khalifa, “Payphone” – 183k
4. Flo Rida, “Whistle” – 172k
5. Ellie Goulding, “Lights” – 160k
6. Gotye f/Kimbra “Somebody That I Used to Know” – 142k
7. David Guetta f/Sia, “Titanium” – 138k
8. Owl City & Carly Rae Jepsen, “Good Time” – 127k
9. Rihanna, “Where Have You Been” – 102k
10. Usher, “Scream” – 97k

Sales data from the good folks at Hits Daily Double (HDD).

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

There isn't an "emphasis" on airplay, its done to a fixed formula and has done since the 1950's.

In essence the airplay is down to AI (Audience impressions) typically a #1 airplay song will have around 100 million audience impressions in a week on CHR/POP format.

The HOT100 is based on the song with most Audience impressions.

Sales are added into the formula using the conversion that 1 million sales in a week = 100 million AI.

Where the HOT100 falls down is the fact that it doesn't just count CHR/POP (top40) stations it counts all the stations.

Now radio in the states has become very fragmented so there are as many Rythmic stations as there are POP and Urban stations account for about 50% that of POP.

Bear in mind that POP plays all top40 songs but Rythmic only plays R&B and Urban only plays Hip/Hop.

Its easy to see with the above situation that Urban and R&B have a huge advantage over any pure POP song, an Urban hit song will get played on Urban and Rythmic and POP stations, it can get up to 250 million AI, a top R&B song can get up to 200 million AI and a top POP hit song will only get 100 million.

It's the reason why music in the USA has got so screwed up in favour of RAP/Hip hop music over the past couple decades.

[vash1221]

27 on the Billboard Hot 100 is a great start

[my name is joe]

Originally Posted by vash1221

27 on the Billboard Hot 100 is a great start

now up to 16 in it's 5th week on BBHot100.

Can it get top 10?

[wkdstepmother]

Originally Posted by my name is joe

now up to 16 in it's 5th week on BBHot100.

Can it get top 10?

I'm delighted for her but I admit to being a bit clueless when it comes to the US. The sales published above look really low - is it true that US sales are only double UK sales despite population being 6 times as big?

What I'd really like to know is what are 1D, Rebecca and Cher's US sales. I have no clue - the hype seems to suggest all three are selling records in the US but I really struggle to find the facts behind the hype.