[ShaunW]

Originally Posted by peter05

Funny that so do, the BBC ,ITV and channel 4

I meant big budget US drama's not drama's with shaking cardboard houses, scenic views of Cardiff and farting latex aliens.

[peter05]

Originally Posted by ShaunW

I meant big budget US drama's not drama's with shaking cardboard houses, scenic views of Cardiff and farting latex aliens.

I would surgest you watch a bit more BBC and ITV, as I say very good British drama and not USA drame but if you just want usa drama, that's fine keep watching and paying for sky, allthough there are lots of USA drama's on CBS, HORROR CHANNELS and CHANNELs on FOUR ('may be a bit old but not all of it is ) I allways find plenty to watch FTA and it's FREE

[howard h]

Originally Posted by Radiomike

Given your sudden obsession with HD pray tell just how much of that you get with Freeview, freesat and BTVision.

No ITV 2/3/4 HD, no E4 HD, no ESPN HD, no Dave HD, no Sky News HD (all on Sky but not your providers where you have to make do with SD), no Film 4 HD (on Virgin). Never mind all the other Entertainment, Lifestyle, Movie, Sport and Docs HD channels.

Still, if you want a sub standard product then fair enough.

It's been argued plenty of times before on here that unless you have a telly the size of the titanic, there's not much gained in having HD over SD. Let's face it, the stuff on Dave would be just the same if the set was covered in clingfilm, never mind HD!
IMO HD only kicks in if the set is 28 -32"+, and then for sports with small balls (cricket, hockey, tennis) so they can ve viewed more easily. If anyone thinks SD is a lot worse than HD, they need to sit further away from the telly

Must add, however, that the HD/HQ channel of Eurosport Player (the web stream) is a darned sight better than their SD/LQ effort, viewed on a 1080!!

[ShaunW]

Originally Posted by peter05

I would surgest you watch a bit more BBC and ITV, as I say very good British drama

Good British drama is scarce now Peter05, unless it revolves round an hospital, detective or is written by Shakespeare/Dickens.

Its not all down to the license freeze either, drama's like Apparitions, Paradox and Outcasts where culled before the election due to poor ratings and where not given time to develop, yes I even think Outcasts should have been given another run. The only ITV drama that caught my eye is Whitechapel and maybe at a stretch Titanic.

In fact in my opinion the best drama's in the last couple of years have been commissioned by C4, Pillors Of The Earth and The Promise.

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by ShaunW

Good British drama is scarce now Peter05, unless it revolves round an hospital, detective or is written by Shakespeare/Dickens.

Its not all down to the license freeze either, drama's like Apparitions, Paradox and Outcasts where culled before the election due to poor ratings and where not given time to develop, yes I even think Outcasts should have been given another run. The only ITV drama that caught my eye is Whitechapel and maybe at a stretch Titanic.

In fact in my opinion the best drama's in the last couple of years have been commissioned by C4, Pillors Of The Earth and The Promise.

Are you serious, two major big ones that stand out are Downton Abbey and Band of Brothers.

Then you have Spooks, Dr Who, Sherlock, Shameless, Skins, Misfits, Life on Mars, The Office, Robin Hood to name a few further ones.

[ShaunW]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

Are you serious, two major big ones that stand out are Downton Abbey and Band of Brothers.

Then you have Spooks, Dr Who, Sherlock, Shameless, Skins, Misfits, Life on Mars, The Office, Robin Hood to name a few further ones.

BoB was an HBO collaboration from 2001 long with the other classic Rome (2005/07.

Spooks ran its course, The Office 2001, Shameless is losing its edge, Dr Who (no comment).



Edit : I'll give you Sherlock thats ***** star

[peter05]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

Are you serious, two major big ones that stand out are Downton Abbey and Band of Brothers.

Then you have Spooks, Dr Who, Sherlock, Shameless, Skins, Misfits, Life on Mars, The Office, Robin Hood to name a few further ones.

They are all great, if we all start thinking of drama's we like FTA , we could come up with hundred's of good drama's FTA but hopefully the poster will accept there are and have been lot's and lot's of great drama's on FTA channel's and all way's will be

[Radiomike]

Originally Posted by peter05

They are all great, if we all start thinking of drama's we like FTA , we could come up with hundred's of good drama's FTA but hopefully the poster will accept there are and have been lot's and lot's of great drama's on FTA channel's and all way's will be

However, if you want access to the broadest range of current quality drama from around the world (and particularly the US) then payTV is a necessity. With the exception of Downton Abbey and Whitechapel nearly all the drama series I like are on pay channels.

Again it is down to what you want to watch and when you want to watch it.

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by Radiomike

However, if you want access to the broadest range of current quality drama from around the world (and particularly the US) then payTV is a necessity. With the exception of Downton Abbey and Whitechapel nearly all the drama series I like are on pay channels.

Again it is down to what you want to watch and when you want to watch it.

Most quality drama from around the world has been shown on BBC4. Spiral and Wallander are two fine examples.

Also Channel 4 have shown and will show the current best US drama, Homeland. While Channel 5 is showing the Walking Dead.

[habby]

Originally Posted by peter05

I have to agree with you, sky are very exspensive, and now there is so many channels FTA it does make sky seem even more exspensive.

Virgin or BT are good alternative to sky and there packages seem a lot more easy to pick what you want in the way of channels

Although I find plenty to watch on FREESAT

I've got Freeview & theres plenty to watch on there without having to pay extra to a tv license. Obviously theres no sports channel, but when the football season starts theres plenty of sites to watch it for nothing

[Like_I_care]

I have 2 Sky+HD boxes and 2 Freeview HD boxes.

Both systems have good points (BBC iPlayer on the Freeview boxes) but I wouldn't be without pay TV and Freeview/Freesat do not have enough new fresh content to be our main source for TV.


Pay TV means better content and more varied content, more sports, more newer movies.

[peter05]

Originally Posted by peter05

They are all great, if we all start thinking of drama's we like FTA , we could come up with hundred's of good drama's FTA but hopefully the poster will accept there are and have been lot's and lot's of great drama's on FTA channel's and all way's will be

Originally Posted by Radiomike

However, if you want access to the broadest range of current quality drama from around the world (and particularly the US) then payTV is a necessity. With the exception of Downton Abbey and Whitechapel nearly all the drama series I like are on pay channels.

Again it is down to what you want to watch and when you want to watch it.

Strange that all the GREAT DRAMA'S I SEE are FTA and I see them for FREE on FREESAT

[peter05]

Originally Posted by Like_I_care

I have 2 Sky+HD boxes and 2 Freeview HD boxes.

Both systems have good points (BBC iPlayer on the Freeview boxes) but I wouldn't be without pay TV and Freeview/Freesat do not have enough new fresh content to be our main source for TV.


Pay TV means better content and more varied content, more sports, more newer movies.

I agree with what you say, but you have to pay

[Radiomike]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

Most quality drama from around the world has been shown on BBC4. Spiral and Wallander are two fine examples.

Also Channel 4 have shown and will show the current best US drama, Homeland. While Channel 5 is showing the Walking Dead.

What about the quality drama programmes I like on Sky One/Living/Atlantic, FX, Universal, Watch, Dave, alibi, E4 etc which either isn't on FTA TV, isn't first run on FTA TV (eg Walking Dead) or isn't in HD on free TV.

The reality is still, as I said, that if you want access to the broadest range of current quality drama from around the world (as I do), want to see it when it first appears (as I do) and want to see it in HD (as I do) then payTV is a necessity.

[Radiomike]

Originally Posted by peter05

Strange that all the GREAT DRAMA'S I SEE are FTA and I see them for FREE on FREESAT

Strange that whilst some of the great dramas I see are FTA the majority of them are on subscription channels. But then i'm not you and you aren't me.

You are missing out on some quality drama but that is your choice. I want to see it so am happy to pay. What's the big problem that you and jamcambs have with that

[Like_I_care]

Originally Posted by peter05

I agree with what you say, but you have to pay

You have to pay for a lot of things in life, unfortunately it costs more and more to make great content so giving it away free just is not cost effective anymore.

Freeview/Freesat are an example of what the future of FREE TV really is(I don't count BBC channels as free). An its not to good, I would love Sky for free or Sports for free but its not going to happen.

[jamcambs]

Great Dramas on FTA and in HD:

Downton Abbey
Wallander
Spiral
Band of Brothers
Upstairs Downstairs
Spooks
Dr Who
Homeland
The Walking Dead
Robin Hood
The Tudors
Rome
Shameless
Skins
Misfits
Sherlock
The Street
Being Human
Life on Mars
Ashes to Ashes
Whitechapel
Titanic

There are several on that small list which pay tv dont even come close to! Band of Brothers, Downton Abbey, Wallander and Spiral.

[Like_I_care]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

Great Dramas on FTA and in HD:

Downton Abbey
Wallander
Spiral
Band of Brothers
Upstairs Downstairs
Spooks
Dr Who
Homeland
The Walking Dead
Robin Hood
The Tudors
Rome
Shameless
Skins
Misfits
Sherlock
The Street
Being Human
Life on Mars
Ashes to Ashes
Whitechapel
Titanic

There are several on that small list which pay tv dont even come close to! Band of Brothers, Downton Abbey, Wallander and Spiral.

Take away the BBC stuff as we're talking FREE TV not subscription (pay) tv, No matter how the subscription is paid.

[Radiomike]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

Great Dramas on FTA and in HD:

Downton Abbey
Wallander
Spiral
Band of Brothers etc etc

There are several on that small list which pay tv dont even come close to! Band of Brothers, Downton Abbey, Wallander and Spiral.

Many good dramas amongst your list (although I could also claim there are dramas on pay tv that much on FTA doesn't come close to) to but it doesn't change my basic point:-

"The reality is still, as I said, that if you want access to the broadest range of current quality drama from around the world (as I do), want to see it when it first appears (as I do) and want to see it in HD (as I do) then payTV is a necessity."

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by Like_I_care

Take away the BBC stuff as we're talking FREE TV not subscription (pay) tv, No matter how the subscription is paid.

Take away free stuff your still left with:

Downton Abbey
Homeland
The Walking Dead
Shameless
Skins
Misfits
Whitechapel
Titanic

Anyway to view this you still need a TV licence so it doesnt matter about the ones that are BBC

[peter05]

Originally Posted by Radiomike

Strange that whilst some of the great dramas I see are FTA the majority of them are on subscription channels. But then i'm not you and you aren't me.

You are missing out on some quality drama but that is your choice. I want to see it so am happy to pay. What's the big problem that you and jamcambs have with that

I don't have a proplem with you paying, I just get great drama's for FREE on FTA channels
What is your proplem with that?

[jamcambs]

Then add other channel 4 dramas which I had forgotten about into the mix:

Southland
Ugly Betty
The Event
Babel
Without a Trace
True Blood
The Promise
CSI
Generation Kill

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by Radiomike

Many good dramas amongst your list (although I could also claim there are dramas on pay tv that much on FTA doesn't come close to) to but it doesn't change my basic point:-

"The reality is still, as I said, that if you want access to the broadest range of current quality drama from around the world (as I do), want to see it when it first appears (as I do) and want to see it in HD (as I do) then payTV is a necessity."

So what are your top 10 then that are far better than those dramas on FTA I have listed?

[Radiomike]

Originally Posted by peter05

I don't have a proplem with you paying, I just get great drama's for FREE on FTA channels
What is your proplem with that?

I don't have a proplem with that

[Radiomike]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

So what are your top 10 then that are far better than those dramas on FTA I have listed?

That is not relevant to my point. It's all subjective anyway so whatever I put down you will only argue about just as I don't think everything on your list is as good as some drama on pay tv. For me (unlike you) it is not FTA v pay tv. There is some great drama on both, some good drama on both and some poor drama on both (yes Dick van Dyke i'm talking about you )

My point remains that if you want access to the broadest range of current quality drama.......pay tv is a necessity.