[sparkplugs]

The reason why I am posting this is because I have just found out from one of my friends that someone in their family who was in New York when the World Trade Center collapsed has just been diagnosed with Mesothelioma. (And they have never, ever handled or used asbestos at any workplace they have had jobs at before).

Please, please, please treat this thread with extreme sensitivity the same as you would with any thread about the original New York World Trade Center. Thank you.

I find it extremely scary to believe (and it also makes me feel sick to the stomach) that thousands of people who may have survived after being within the vicinity of the World Trade Center collapse are now still suffering severely with lung cancer etc because of the extremely high level of asbestos disturbance they were exposed to! Also, the people who cleared away the debris and mess left behind afterwards, it also makes me feel sick to the stomach that they will probably be suffering with lung problems etc!

If the original World Trade Center was still standing today, I wonder if they would have had the asbestos gradually removed from the towers?

What are your thoughts on the matter of asbestos being used in the construction of the World Trade Center?

[annette kurten]

it`s unlikely to be triggered by the wtc collapse:

An exposure of as little as one or two months can result in mesothelioma 30 or 40 years later and in some cases, as much as 70 years later.


How long does it take after asbestos exposure for mesothelioma to show up?

People exposed in the 1940s, '50s, '60s, and '70s are now being diagnosed with mesothelioma because of the long latency period of asbestos disease.

http://www.medicinenet.com/mesothelioma/page2.htm

[juliancarswell]

The shortest latency period for Asbestos is as little as 5 to 10 years, but most are longer.
Studies have shown that some people are more prone to it than others. I think it may be down to their genetic make up.
A teacher was exposed to fibres on one or two occasion then 30 years later developed mesothelioma and died. IIEC her family were compensated.
I had an uncle who worked in the ship yards for 40 years and was exposed to it most days for that period. He died of pneumonia in his 80s.
It is generally expected to take many years to develop. That is why it is particularly dangerous for children. If I was exposed now I would be long gone before it would have a chance to develop.

Another little bonus that Asbestos brings
Smokers 11x risk of lung cancer compared to non smokers
Smokers exposed to asbestos 55x risk of lung cancer.

If the original World Trade Center was still standing today, I wonder if they would have had the asbestos gradually removed from the towers?
Doubtful. The WTC had lots of asbestos in its construction and plenty of it in inaccessible places. If left undisturbed it is relatively safe. It is when broken up and fibres released ,as in a fire or explosion, that they become deadly.
The problem was that the fibres that coated Manhattan weren't like snow and didn't melt. Even after rain,unless washed away into a watercourse, they would become dangerous again once they dried out and the wind got hold of them.
This must have been known at the time, but nobody wanted to face up to it.

[LifeOfBryan]

The firefighters (FDNY) have been fighting this one from day one and have lost many to it.

Mercury from 1000s of fluorescent lights, lead and many other nasties from 1000s of computers and of course all the products the buildings were made from all pulverised into dust that everyone there breathed in.

Of course to save on compensation, the powers that be strongly deny any and all of this.

http://www.mesotheliomahelp.net/blog...ty-retirements

[annette kurten]

Originally Posted by juliancarswell

Another little bonus that Asbestos brings
Smokers 11x risk of lung cancer compared to non smokers
Smokers exposed to asbestos 55x risk of lung cancer.

holy fook my second husband worked in an asbestos factory.

edit: have given up smoking.

[DaisyBumbleroot]

To suggest that there is not one person suffering long term from the shit they inhaled when the WTC buildings went down is just burying heads in the sand. Thousands of people are going to have long term health problems as a result.

But how much of a persons health problems (ie lung cancer) will be attributed to the WTC and how much isn't? Diana Ross was apparently convinced she was I'll because of it, but how much of her health problems were down to smoking as well?

And conversely, there will be people like the OPs relative who may well have health problems as a direct result, but its difficult to prove a link when the exposure to asbestos may have been unknowingly at a completely different time in life.

At the end of the day though, I think we WILL see an increase beyond the average of adverse health problems in people who were in NYC around 11 September 2001, linked to asbestos, pulverised concrete, fuel etc

[alias alias]

If i remember correctly they were replacing the fire proofing on the beams and struts between the floors as they renovated the empty floors.

[davelovesleeds]

Very slightly off topic, but i was watching a very old episode of 3-2-1 on TV last night and one of prizes was a trip on Concord to New York and a chance to visit the World Trade Centre. Was very spooky as neither are with us now.

[tothegrand]

I though the Asbestos was only on floors 1-30 or something along those lines. I think they changed regulations half way in construction.

[CloneClown]

Originally Posted by davelovesleeds

Very slightly off topic, but i was watching a very old episode of 3-2-1 on TV last night and one of prizes was a trip on Concord to New York and a chance to visit the World Trade Centre. Was very spooky as neither are with us now.

There's a Youtube video taken from the restaurant at the top of one of the towers two days before 9/11. It's so eerie to watch it especially when you get a perspective of how high they were and that people jumped from that height.

[Radiomaniac]

Originally Posted by davelovesleeds

Very slightly off topic, but i was watching a very old episode of 3-2-1 on TV last night and one of prizes was a trip on Concord to New York and a chance to visit the World Trade Centre. Was very spooky as neither are with us now.

Make that three - WTC, Concorde and Ted Rogers!

[80sfan]

Originally Posted by DaisyBumbleroot

But how much of a persons health problems (ie lung cancer) will be attributed to the WTC and how much isn't? Diana Ross was apparently convinced she was I'll because of it, but how much of her health problems were down to smoking as well?

Blimey does Diana Ross smoke as well?

I never knew that

[bryemycaz]

Originally Posted by DaisyBumbleroot

But how much of a persons health problems (ie lung cancer) will be attributed to the WTC and how much isn't? Diana Ross was apparently convinced she was I'll because of it, but how much of her health problems were down to smoking as well?

I think you mean Donna Summer she was convinced that was what killed her.

[flashgordon1952]

Originally Posted by tothegrand

I though the Asbestos was only on floors 1-30 or something along those lines. I think they changed regulations half way in construction.

when the towers fell down there must have been tons of the stuff in the air at the time.
The word only sounds very worrying too ! "thats a lot of asbestos.
It may be another 10years before we here the total loss of lives caused by the twin towers .
A female US friend of mine lost her ex boyfriend (before he remarried) he was a firefighter...

[GeoBa92]

Here's an article about a few first responders and people who worked on the 'pile' post 9/11, all suffering chronic and debilitating diseases such as cancers, emphesima and COPD. A few have sadly passed away.

http://www.sohoblues.com/9-11-Still-Killing.html

Very shocking that these people are struggling to gain payouts towards health costs.

[Mrs Teapot]

Before I go to bed and this is the God's honest truth.........our bloody school cellar has asbestos in it and we are not allowed in it, and it is right next to our classroom. There is a sign saying 'Do not go in'

Now considering that I was there as a child and the cellar was our TV room and I have worked there for numerous years I is a tad concerned

[Glowbot]

Originally Posted by GeoBa92

Here's an article about a few first responders and people who worked on the 'pile' post 9/11, all suffering chronic and debilitating diseases such as cancers, emphesima and COPD. A few have sadly passed away.

http://www.sohoblues.com/9-11-Still-Killing.html

Very shocking that these people are struggling to gain payouts towards health costs.

I found all that heartbreaking... but all those medicines? my granny was on less than that and she had EVERYTHING wrong with her too.
I just get the impression that all those drugs together are going to cause a lot more issues interacting and in their livers. I'm not a doctor obviously. I would think part of their medical care would be to cut down the pills to a sensible amount.

I'm very paranoid about asbestos myself, so it's a nightmare and how awful for them.

Originally Posted by Mrs Teapot

Before I go to bed and this is the God's honest truth.........our bloody school cellar has asbestos in it and we are not allowed in it, and it is right next to our classroom. There is a sign saying 'Do not go in'

Now considering that I was there as a child and the cellar was our TV room and I have worked there for numerous years I is a tad concerned

A lot of schools have it, ones in the 60's especially. It's not that dangerous really don't worry. As long as you aren't smashing it up and inhaling it.

My school had asbesdos tiles in the chem lab for the bunsen burners.

[hooter]

Originally Posted by Mrs Teapot

Before I go to bed and this is the God's honest truth.........our bloody school cellar has asbestos in it and we are not allowed in it, and it is right next to our classroom. There is a sign saying 'Do not go in'

Now considering that I was there as a child and the cellar was our TV room and I have worked there for numerous years I is a tad concerned

(((((((((((((Teapots)))))))))))))))))))

[toogoodfortv]

Originally Posted by CloneClown

There's a Youtube video taken from the restaurant at the top of one of the towers two days before 9/11. It's so eerie to watch it especially when you get a perspective of how high they were and that people jumped from that height.

Have you the link?

I think I've seen this before - I find any footage from the roof of the twin towers really eerie - I watched that documentary about the guy who walked across between the two towers on a tight rope and by gosh it's so eerie to think of how high up people were trapped and how long they would have taken to fall and what was going through their minds - saddens me so much!!

No the asbestos front - I have no idea ... I recently got a letter from my old school (same school that Christine Bleakley went too - who was in the news about this the other day) saying asbestos was found - they didn't tell us to get checked out or anything but just informed us of it , and how it can be dangerous .....

[skp20040]

Originally Posted by annette kurten

it`s unlikely to be triggered by the wtc collapse:



http://www.medicinenet.com/mesothelioma/page2.htm

Being exposed just once and to a small amount of the dust can eventually kill you if you are unlucky, so the WTC will have done untold damage.

[gold2040]

Originally Posted by toogoodfortv

Have you the link?

I think I've seen this before - I find any footage from the roof of the twin towers really eerie - I watched that documentary about the guy who walked across between the two towers on a tight rope and by gosh it's so eerie to think of how high up people were trapped and how long they would have taken to fall and what was going through their minds - saddens me so much!!

No the asbestos front - I have no idea ... I recently got a letter from my old school (same school that Christine Bleakley went too - who was in the news about this the other day) saying asbestos was found - they didn't tell us to get checked out or anything but just informed us of it , and how it can be dangerous .....

Is this it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF3LSy8QkbM

[LifeOfBryan]

Here is a whole documentary on the subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqrr-xyqxfs

[dorydaryl]

Like others, it seems to me totally inconceivable that there will be no short and long term impact of all the crap that got released into the atmosphere that day and the large disability and death toll directly attributable to what happened has still not been realized. God help everyone who was in the vicinity and who gets sick. Not only will they (and their relatives) have to fight to get any financial recognition, they don't have the buffer of the NHS to help fund the enormous health consts involved.

[GeoBa92]

Originally Posted by dorydaryl

Like others, it seems to me totally inconceivable that there will be no short and long term impact of all the crap that got released into the atmosphere that day and the large disability and death toll directly attributable to what happened has still not been realized. God help everyone who was in the vicinity and who gets sick. Not only will they (and their relatives) have to fight to get any financial recognition, they don't have the buffer of the NHS to help fund the enormous health consts involved.

I believe the people working at Ground Zero were actually told by numerous people that the air was safe to breathe. There are also accounts that people were given the wrong respirators and the wrong cartridges so people had to buy their own. This was finally sorted out a few weeks later but by then the damage was done.

[LifeOfBryan]

Originally Posted by skp20040

Being exposed just once and to a small amount of the dust can eventually kill you if you are unlucky, so the WTC will have done untold damage.

Yes in no sense of the words 'small amount' - Look at this coming sideways out from behind the buildings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGaiS...feature=relmfu