[Jaymitch1]

Can someone please post what happens to batman at the end in this thread. many thanks

(thought i would start a separate thread asking for a 'spoiler' to stop people moaning in the main thread)

[Yuffie]

Can I ask why you would want to know?

If you have an active interest in the film, would you not want to wait?

I had to do some really slow scrolling just in case you had put something in!

[MissDexter]

Is there some reward for starting the 100th Dark Knight Rises thread?

[Johnny Clay]

Spoiler

He was a ghost all along

[Stupid_Head]

Spoiler

Marion is Talia, she is Bane's boss. Catwoman kills Bane. JGL character is revealed to be Robin. Batman fakes his death and is seen with Catwoman in a cafe in Europe by Alfred at the end.

[PhoenixRises]

Could you not just watch the film and see what happens for yourself?

[AMP79]

@Stupid_head Does he fake his own death? or are we seeing Bruce "alive" through the point of view of Alfred? (think back to when Alfred said he would like to see Bruce sitting at his favourite cafe in florence... in his mind he doesn't want to believe that master Wayne is dead). Christopher Nolan has left the ending down to audience interpretation.

[SHAFT]

The Wikipedia entry on the film gives a full synopsis of the plot as well as the ending.

[Matt D]

Originally Posted by AMP79

@Stupid_head Does he fake his own death? or are we seeing Bruce "alive" through the point of view of Alfred? (think back to when Alfred said he would like to see Bruce sitting at his favourite cafe in florence... in his mind he doesn't want to believe that master Wayne is dead). Christopher Nolan has left the ending down to audience interpretation.

IMO he faked it. If it was just Alfred imagining it, then why did we have the scene where Lucius learnt that Bruce had actually fixed the autopilot six months earlier?

[Nick_DK]

The big twist with Miranda really diminished the importance of Bane imo. He just turned out to be a puppet and his death was very anti climactic. Other issue is the last few minutes for me with the autopilot, the scene in Florence, then the whole "you should go by your real name" scene was a little cheesy. I just wish it ended with Alfred at the grave. Clearly setting us up for a Robin film or even Batman 4 without Nolan.

[Matt D]

My only issue is just how did Bruce get back to Gotham, while it was under lockdown, and without his resources?

[Wulfster]

Originally Posted by Matt D

IMO he faked it. If it was just Alfred imagining it, then why did we have the scene where Lucius learnt that Bruce had actually fixed the autopilot six months earlier?

Have to strongly agree.
If it was Alfred's imagination, then why did he picture him with Selina Kyle, who Alfred hardly knew, and not some anonymous woman?

For me it makes complete sense (especially with the autopilot scene as noted by Matt) that it was real, and it ends the film on a perfect note ... along with the Robin John Blake revelation.

[JamieHT]

I agree about the name thing!! They should have just called him Rob all along.

Also, even though I knew it was going to happen, I thought it was very weird not to mention The Joker at all.

The one who chose 'exile' would've made a good Riddler.

[Matt D]

Originally Posted by Wulfster

Have to strongly agree.
If it was Alfred's imagination, then why did he picture him with Selina Kyle, who Alfred hardly knew, and not some anonymous woman?

For me it makes complete sense (especially with the autopilot scene as noted by Matt) that it was real, and it ends the film on a perfect note ... along with the Robin John Blake revelation.

Exactly. I don't think it's meant to be "down to audience interpretation" like the end of Nolan's Inception, I think it's quite clear that he *is* alive and did in fact fake his death.

Originally Posted by JamieHT

I agree about the name thing!! They should have just called him Rob all along.

Also, even though I knew it was going to happen, I thought it was very weird not to mention The Joker at all.

The one who chose 'exile' would've made a good Riddler.

I didn't mind the "name thing". It gave us a nice reveal at the end, instead of everyone knowing from the start. Same thing with Miranda/Talia. She could have been called Talia Head from the beginning, but that would have spoilt the reveal at the end.

[Smerph]

Hmm. I liked it, but I found the second hour a bit messy and clunky. Lots of reviews seem to have a problem with the Batman-free first hour, but I thought that flew by and was setting things up very nicely. But when Bane finally struck, the film lost a bit of focus mainly because Bane's masterplan seemed so bizarre. One thing I missed; is he intending to die along with everyone else in Gothan?

The Dark Knight takes place over little more than a week. I'm at a loss as to the timeframe of this movie as Bruce gets his back broken, shipped to India, rehabilitates, then comes back to Gotham. It seemed like months should have passed, but I never got a sign of that.

I didn't like Alfred leaving and assume that was just because there was a lack of stuff for him to do in the final third. But to not show him during Bruce's exile (after the back-break) seems remiss. It also deprived us of Caine for half the movie. They should certainly have embraced at the end of the film - it wasn't enough that Alfred just walked away, knowing he was safe.

The final fifteen minutes are brilliant. Batman's line to Gordon about heroism ("putting a coat over my shoulders and reassuring me that the world hadn't ended") was fantastic.

I'm undecided about the "Robin" thing. In one way, I like it because it tells you throughout that film, John Blake has been Batman's boy-wonder (and Gordon-Levitt was great). In another, it feels like a pointless nod to the comics. The intention should be that we think Gordon-Levitt will take over as Batman...but the Robin thing confuses it. Gotham doesn't need Robin...it needs the "symbol" that has been built up through this franchise.

It's not a five star movie and I'd hesitate to call it a four star movie due a second hour that wasn't particularly cohesive, but it deserves more than 3 stars. That's the score for an "average" movie and The Dark Knight Rises is not an average movie.

Oh, and by the way, there's no uncertainty over whether Bruce faked his own death. Lucius discovered the auto-pilot worked on the Bat, so Bruce had clearly bailed out (or should that be "Bale-d" out?) before the bomb blew.

[Corabal]

Originally Posted by JamieHT

I agree about the name thing!! They should have just called him Rob all along.

Also, even though I knew it was going to happen, I thought it was very weird not to mention The Joker at all.

The one who chose 'exile' would've made a good Riddler.

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=743167

[JamieHT]

Originally Posted by Corabal

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=743167

As I said, I knew about it. I didn't agree when I read it and I agree even less after seeing the film. It seems more insulting not to mention him. Then again we don't know if Heath's family had anything to do with the decision.

[Matt D]

Originally Posted by Smerph

Hmm. I liked it, but I found the second hour a bit messy and clunky. Lots of reviews seem to have a problem with the Batman-free first hour, but I thought that flew by and was setting things up very nicely. But when Bane finally struck, the film lost a bit of focus mainly because Bane's masterplan seemed so bizarre. One thing I missed; is he intending to die along with everyone else in Gothan?

I think he was. He wasn't afraid of death, and was 100% a true believer in Ra's and Talia's cause. There was no sign of him or Talia having any kind of escape plan.

Originally Posted by Smerph

The Dark Knight takes place over little more than a week. I'm at a loss as to the timeframe of this movie as Bruce gets his back broken, shipped to India, rehabilitates, then comes back to Gotham. It seemed like months should have passed, but I never got a sign of that.

I got a sign of that. The passage of time was mentioned more than once in dialogue and on screen, regarding how long Gotham had been "under siege", how long the bomb had left before it blew, etc. etc.

Originally Posted by Smerph

I didn't like Alfred leaving and assume that was just because there was a lack of stuff for him to do in the final third. But to not show him during Bruce's exile (after the back-break) seems remiss. It also deprived us of Caine for half the movie. They should certainly have embraced at the end of the film - it wasn't enough that Alfred just walked away, knowing he was safe.

I didn't have a problem with Alfred leaving. TDKR borrows a lot from the "Knightfall" comic-book arc, which as well as featuring Bane break Batman's back also has Alfred (temporarily) leave Bruce's service for similar reasons.

Originally Posted by Smerph

The final fifteen minutes are brilliant. Batman's line to Gordon about heroism ("putting a coat over my shoulders and reassuring me that the world hadn't ended") was fantastic.

Yup.

Originally Posted by Smerph

I'm undecided about the "Robin" thing. In one way, I like it because it tells you throughout that film, John Blake has been Batman's boy-wonder (and Gordon-Levitt was great). In another, it feels like a pointless nod to the comics. The intention should be that we think Gordon-Levitt will take over as Batman...but the Robin thing confuses it. Gotham doesn't need Robin...it needs the "symbol" that has been built up through this franchise.

Oh I agree it doesn't need Robin. It needs Batman. I agree the name is just a nod, so we think he'll take over as Batman, not as Robin. [And if Robin is his real name, he's hardly going to use that as the name of his costumed-crimefighter.]

Perhaps they could have had him called Richard, and then the reveal at the end could have been that his original surname was Grayson not Blake. That way "we" would know who he was, but there wouldn't be the Robin name to potentially confuse it.

Dick Grayson, the first Robin in the comics, did actually take up the Mantle of the Bat for a while (after Bane broke Batman's back).

[DRAGON LANCE]

Yes, of course he faked his death so he could escape with Selina, its not Alfred going cookoo, why did anyone think that could be the case?!?!? Great ending to the series and I like how they sneaked Robin in under our noses, with him presumably going on to be the new Batman in this version of events.

The twist with Miranda was great. I actually saw it coming because it was leaked that Marian Cotillard was actually playing Talia Al Ghul (daughter of the 1st films villain) a few months back, but if I hadn't have known that it would have been a nice surprise. I really like how in the flashbacks to the Al Ghul child's upbringing in the Prison Pit you think its a boy because of the short hair and think its Bane, but when we get the reveal at the end, from another angle you can see the "boy's" face is actually a "girl" and we get the reveal that the "protector" who saved her life at his own expense and injury was Bane.

Personally, for me this was the best film in the series for me (bar a few minor plot holes that aren't worth complaining about). Whether they'll reboot or stick with this continuity with Robin as Batman remains to be seen. I would go with re-boot, not because I like the increasingly overused gimmick of re-booting things, but just to protect the legacy of what Nolan did with the character.

[robtimus]

Originally Posted by Smerph

The Dark Knight takes place over little more than a week. I'm at a loss as to the timeframe of this movie as Bruce gets his back broken, shipped to India, rehabilitates, then comes back to Gotham. It seemed like months should have passed, but I never got a sign of that.

The Plane attack was 6 months before the rest of the film (the physicist 'died' in it). Bane says the bomb has 5 months before it goes off, and then as the film switched between India (although he sure got back to Gotham pretty fast) and Gotham the characters mentioned the shortening time frame before the bomb went off.

[JMan22]

The twist with Miranda was good, however I agree with others that it's disappointing in a way because it takes a lot away from Bane at the same time. You soon see that he's not the evil master villain you think he was going to be.

I really liked the bit with Robin at the end as well. Whether they'll do the Batman/Robin thing, or have him take over as Batman I'm not sure. I personally expected him to be the one who took over as Batman before that reveal.

[Gordon_Rae]

Saw the movie earlier today and I really enjoyed it but its by no means perfect, sadly!!! The Dark Knight was an extremely hard act to follow and to even attempt it was risky and they have certainly done well.

Im not sure if anyone else had problems but in the screen I was in the Music was way too loud and the dialogue was very hard to hear at some points so we kept missing parts. Not sure if this was a local cinema issue or how its meant to be, surprisingly Bane was not so bad!!!!

Anne Hathaway was absolutely amazing, I was blown away by her "Selina Kyle", as I wasn't sure if she would work when i first heard her casting!!

[benwho]

were will the go now with the next film how long till the next batman film will the continue in this contiuety with diffrent drictor what will happen if they bring jla flim out in 2015 who would play batman would a new film come out before then any ideas

[Smerph]

Originally Posted by benwho

were will the go now with the next film how long till the next batman film will the continue in this contiuety with diffrent drictor what will happen if they bring jla flim out in 2015 who would play batman would a new film come out before then any ideas

And breathe.

Pure conjecture as it's FAR too early to say:

The next Batman film will be a reboot, and maybe more of a fantasy than Nolan's vision as the character will have to fit into a Justice League film alongside Superman.

[GARETH197901]

Originally Posted by benwho

were will the go now with the next film how long till the next batman film will the continue in this contiuety with diffrent drictor what will happen if they bring jla flim out in 2015 who would play batman would a new film come out before then any ideas

we have seen the last of Christian Bale's Batman(he leaves with Nolan),but the problem they could have if another director continues on in the vein of Nolan might be that they suffer in comparison,i suspect the next person who takes over might want to take it in their own direction