[Tiexen]

Any views on this for £300

Finlux 42F7020-D 42-inch LED 3D
LED LCD
Resolution: 1080p (HD)
HDMI Ports: 4
Built-in Digital Tuner: Freeview
Scart Inputs: 2
Contrast Ratio: 1400:1~
Screen Resolution: 1080p Full HD Digital

[mac2708]

http://www.finluxdirect.com/3d-tvs/4...,3,shop,alltvs

£300 where?

[Nigel Goodwin]

It's a cheap Vestel set - fine if that's all you want.

And as they have knocked £300 off the price, then it's an OLD cheap Vestel set

[Tiexen]

Originally Posted by mac2708

http://www.finluxdirect.com/3d-tvs/4...,3,shop,alltvs

£300 where?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1809320270...sid=p5197.m462

And that's from the same company!

[jjne]

Passive 3D is good.

I'm assuming that the Finlux name must be owned by Vestel, as they are describing the latter in their "about us" section.

Nothing majorly wrong with Vestel products; reliability, performance and longevity is as good as anything else budget IME, and better than some anonymous Chinese product that's essentially just a bunch of reference boards jammed together. At least Vestel do R&D.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by jjne

Passive 3D is good.

As it's inferior to active, why is it 'good'? - apart from the cheap glasses of course.

I'm assuming that the Finlux name must be owned by Vestel, as they are describing the latter in their "about us" section.

Yes, following the name been dropped by Euronics, it's now Vestels own brand name.

Nothing majorly wrong with Vestel products; reliability, performance and longevity is as good as anything else budget IME, and better than some anonymous Chinese product that's essentially just a bunch of reference boards jammed together. At least Vestel do R&D.

One way of looking at it I suppose - another way would be that performance, reliability, and longevity is as BAD as the other cheap crap makes

If you want a cheap TV, with poor performance, poor reliability, and a relatively short life - then it's fine - the operative word though has to be CHEAP!!.

[jjne]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

As it's inferior to active, why is it 'good'? - apart from the cheap glasses of course.

Because it doesn't give you a blistering headache, that's why.

One way of looking at it I suppose - another way would be that performance, reliability, and longevity is as BAD as the other cheap crap makes

If you want a cheap TV, with poor performance, poor reliability, and a relatively short life - then it's fine - the operative word though has to be CHEAP!!.

Define short service life.

The television with the shortest service live I've owned was a portable Philips CRT, whose tube expired at just shy of four years old.

And it wasn't especially cheap either.

In any case, price has to be taken into account with any purchase. If the OP cannot afford £1000 for a TV, he's not going to spend £1000, however much you tell him the more expensive set is better.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by jjne

Because it doesn't give you a blistering headache, that's why.

Neither do active glasses - if it affects you that way, then it's down to you - and if passive is OK for you, then by all means go passive. Many people have problems with passive 3D as well - personally I couldn't care less about either kind, and wouldn't have it as a gift

Define short service life.

Less than half that of a decent set

You see a LOT of scrap Vestel sets around two years old

The television with the shortest service live I've owned was a portable Philips CRT, whose tube expired at just shy of four years old.

And it wasn't especially cheap either.

But it was a Philips

Philips are well known for their crap products, although to be fair they have occasionally made some decent CRT TV's.

However, the last 7 or 8 years of Philips CRT's were dire - all makes who used them had massive premature failures.

And of course your one example isn't statistically significant anyway - my views (which are the views of the trade) are based on sample sizes of thousands.

In any case, price has to be taken into account with any purchase. If the OP cannot afford £1000 for a TV, he's not going to spend £1000, however much you tell him the more expensive set is better.

As I've said all long - just as long as you're aware WHY it's cheap, and expectations aren't too high.

Incidentally, I have an Hitachi/Vestel Plasma, which I'm very happy with - but the price was right (free!), The original customer bought it from Currys, it failed a number of times under warranty, and when it failed again out of warranty Currys refused to even look at it, as they hadn't purchased an extended warranty.

They bought a new TV from us, with our quality service and asked us to dispose of the faulty set

[jjne]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Neither do active glasses - if it affects you that way, then it's down to you

The flicker sends my eyes into a tizz and I feel like my forehead is about to split apart.

I am by no means the only one -- there are many such complains on t'internet. The market is moving towards passive, partially as a result.

Re Vestel -- you've stated yourself that TVs don't tend to be repaired outside warranty any more -- and my knowledge and experience with electronics in general tells me that the old adage that "it'll last a month, or it'll last 10 years" is generally true for non-moving components, capacitors and minor faults related to bad soldering being the notable exceptions. It's borne out by the standard distribution.

I'd wager that, at the very least, 95% of Vestel TVs that make it through the warranty period reach obsolescence before failing (which is around 4-5 years now due to the software in the DVB tuners that typically stops being supported 18 months after production).

Your customer was a fool -- if a device fails more than twice within the warranty period, on the third occasion retailers will replace without question IME.

And the Philips tube was manufactured in the early 1990s. This particular model had an endemic fault; most failed prematurely. This was not a new thing for Philips.

Sony are not immune either -- their 1980s Betamax VCRs were notoriously unreliable at a time when their competitors such as Sanyo and JVC were making bulletproof machines.

Of course, Sony's current range of music systems aren't even made by Sony -- they're made in China to a Taiwanese design with an amplifier IC that's a Chinese clone of an old Toshiba design.

Brands mean little any more -- yes, even Sony.

[Stilian]

The 32-inch Finlux 32H7020-D 3D TV http://sveyo.com/2012/09/finlux-32h7...ations-review/ has almost the same specs as the bigger model and is around £250, quite cheap but I still wouldn't invest in this brand. If I am to save money on TV I'd rather choose a Toshiba or Philips.

[jjne]

Originally Posted by Stilian

The 32-inch Finlux 32H7020-D 3D TV http://sveyo.com/2012/09/finlux-32h7...ations-review/ has almost the same specs as the bigger model and is around £250, quite cheap but I still wouldn't invest in this brand. If I am to save money on TV I'd rather choose a Toshiba or Philips.

But the Toshiba would be the same TV at this price (Tosh = Vestel = Finlux), and at least with the Finlux you're dealing with the company that made the thing in the first place, which you wouldn't get with the Tosh or Philips (the Philips will be a Chinese set).

If you want to save money on TVs but avoid the cheap OEMs you buy a Samsung or LG -- not Tosh or Philips.

[Stilian]

Originally Posted by jjne

But the Toshiba would be the same TV at this price (Tosh = Vestel = Finlux), and at least with the Finlux you're dealing with the company that made the thing in the first place, which you wouldn't get with the Tosh or Philips (the Philips will be a Chinese set).

If you want to save money on TVs but avoid the cheap OEMs you buy a Samsung or LG -- not Tosh or Philips.

I myself prefer Samsung and LG but they are a bit more expensive than the ones I previously mentioned, at least £50-100 for the same specs. If Tiexen is not into 3D he would definitely be better with the LG 42CS460 Full HD TV which is currently offered for £300 at eBay.

[jake19801957]

i brought this tv and its fine for what we need it for , but i cant seem to get the 3d working . do u need a 3 d blu ray

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by jake19801957

i brought this tv and its fine for what we need it for , but i cant seem to get the 3d working . do u need a 3 d blu ray

If you haven't got a 3D BluRay what are you using for a 3D source?.

[jake19801957]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

If you haven't got a 3D BluRay what are you using for a 3D source?.

no wonder it wouldnt play on a none 3d bluray lol right best buy a 3d blu ray then