[Re-Minder]

Originally Posted by Mike_1101

Polly Toynbee's verdict on G4S and outsourcing in general
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...sourcing-works

Ah the rancid hasbeen has an opinion, sorry but why can't she just frack off and drop dead.

[Phil 2804]

Originally Posted by Re-Minder

Ah the rancid hasbeen has an opinion, sorry but why can't she just frack off and drop dead.

Because she brings out the nastiness lurking in every right winger and for that she is priceless.

[HillmanImp]

the 3,000 extra troops the govt are deploying are because McDonalds wont pay up its sponsor money unless security checks that no one else is selling chips during the games period.

Absolutely unbelievable!

[tysonstorm]

Originally Posted by HillmanImp

the 3,000 extra troops the govt are deploying are because McDonalds wont pay up its sponsor money unless security checks that no one else is selling chips during the games period.

Absolutely unbelievable!

Great isn't it. That this corporate cesspool of Olympic sponsors and corporate donors have together now manifested into something akin to The East India Company of the 1700's and 1800's.

[Aftershow]

Originally Posted by LostFool

Really depends on what is in the contract and how well it was negotiated. Public sector procurement contracts (and LOCOG is effectively a public body) are infamous for being badly structured.

Agreed. However that is coupled to the fact that the level of planning by public sector bodies can be laughably poor - this whole G4S situation being a perfect example.

There's no doubt that there are some private sector firms who see a public sector contract as a blank cheque, however equally, it is completely understandable that firms do not want to get tied into tightly structured contracts because the constantly changing expectations and demands of dealing with government bodies can be an utter disaster.

[heiker]

Originally Posted by HillmanImp

the 3,000 extra troops the govt are deploying are because McDonalds wont pay up its sponsor money unless security checks that no one else is selling chips during the games period.

Absolutely unbelievable!

No, absolutely believable!

[heiker]

Originally Posted by Aftershow

Agreed. However that is coupled to the fact that the level of planning by public sector bodies can be laughably poor - this whole G4S situation being a perfect example.

There's no doubt that there are some private sector firms who see a public sector contract as a blank cheque, however equally, it is completely understandable that firms do not want to get tied into tightly structured contracts because the constantly changing expectations and demands of dealing with government bodies can be an utter disaster.

It's not their money, it doesn't come out of their pocket and there's plenty more in their budget come the next financial year.

[Mike_1101]

Here you are - the G4S company song........

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...r-ballad-dream

""You love your job and the people too
Making a difference is what you do
But consider all you have at stake
The time is now don't make a mistake
Because the enemy prowls, wanting to attack
But we're on the wall, we've got your back
So get out front and take the lead
And be the winner you were born to be
G4S! protecting the world
G4S! so dreams can unfurl
24/7 every night and day
A warrior stands ready so don't be afraid
G4S! secure in your world
G4S! let your dreams unfurl
We're guarding you with all our might
Keeping watch throughout the night"

spoof version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBTci...ature=youtu.be

a bit better than this from Gazprom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbI87tyr_4

[duckymallard]

Read on BBC News that the Commons Select Committee have recalled the boss of G4S to give more evidence.




In September!!! What's the point of that?

[Lyricalis]

Originally Posted by duckymallard

Read on BBC News that the Commons Select Committee have recalled the boss of G4S to give more evidence.




In September!!! What's the point of that?

Maybe because the Olympics will be over by then and everyone will be able to see how things turned out? Just guess, though may be more to do with going on summer break.

[Chester666666]

Soldiers are sleeping in a warehouse and having to pay for showers, it gets worse

[SULLA]

It would appear that a few months ago G4S recruited a number of people for a temporary job on a very modest wage

If they have since found more permanent employment it is not surprising that they never turned up to work for G4S

[Lyricalis]

Originally Posted by SULLA

It would appear that a few months ago G4S recruited a number of people for a temporary job on a very modest wage

If they have since found more permanent employment it is not surprising that they never turned up to work for G4S

I think that just goes to show that the people who awarded this contract in the first place were either lied to by G4S (getting that many temporary workers was always going to be hard to achieve, and they should have said that) or simply had no clue about how the people who were likely to apply for this work would behave. I suspect it's a bit of both.

It's part of the problem of having a group of people who are almost completely out of touch with the reality that everyone else lives in making decisions.

[jamct]

Whilst searching BLOGS regarding G4S, I came across the perfect solution at:

http://myroom101dungeon.blogspot.co.uk/

[jzee]

More uselessness revealed in leaked G4S internal report

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/o...t-7965137.html

"The day before the G4S chief executive Nick Buckles shocked MPs by refusing to give up the company's £57m management fee, almost 40 per cent of the guards required for the Olympic Park failed to turn up"

"Under the heading "G4S Workforce Issues" the document lists a host of sites where a large proportion of the workforce failed to turn up, including ExCel, where only half of the required 89 staff appeared. "

"Yesterday one security operator said the situation had barely improved, with a third of his work force failing to materialise, while the chairman of the West Midlands Police Federation said officers were "shocked and alarmed" by the lack of G4S training."

[paulschapman]

Originally Posted by jzee

More uselessness revealed in leaked G4S internal report

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/o...t-7965137.html

"The day before the G4S chief executive Nick Buckles shocked MPs by refusing to give up the company's £57m management fee, almost 40 per cent of the guards required for the Olympic Park failed to turn up"

"Under the heading "G4S Workforce Issues" the document lists a host of sites where a large proportion of the workforce failed to turn up, including ExCel, where only half of the required 89 staff appeared. "

"Yesterday one security operator said the situation had barely improved, with a third of his work force failing to materialise, while the chairman of the West Midlands Police Federation said officers were "shocked and alarmed" by the lack of G4S training."

G4S may be a bunch of incompetent buffoons - but why do so many people not turn up to work?

[jzee]

Originally Posted by paulschapman

G4S may be a bunch of incompetent buffoons - but why do so many people not turn up to work?

Apparently because they have simply failed to keep in contact with them- if a company doesn't contact you or answer your enquiries eventually you are going to give up and look elsewhere for work.

[Lyricalis]

Originally Posted by paulschapman

G4S may be a bunch of incompetent buffoons - but why do so many people not turn up to work?

Perhaps they got jobs elsewhere? Are G4S employing these people directly or just using casual labour? The latter is always unreliable and naturally have no loyalty if something better turns up.

[Charlottesweb]

Originally Posted by paulschapman

G4S may be a bunch of incompetent buffoons - but why do so many people not turn up to work?

Employing people with little to no training on 4 week contracts at low wages who got better offers or even permanent jobs in the meantime I would expect covers a lot of it.

Theres also the issue , if the story of the politicians daughter is ture, of people being given certicificates without any training, and told they may have to help with first aid again without training, add in the media focus on G4S and people may have thought twice about doing a job they are not trained for.

[jassi]

Originally Posted by jzee

Apparently because they have simply failed to keep in contact with them- if a company doesn't contact you or answer your enquiries eventually you are going to give up and look elsewhere for work.

Perhaps they should have paid them a retainer - though, of course, that would have reduced their no doubt substantial profit

[Lyricalis]

Originally Posted by jassi

Perhaps they should have paid them a retainer - though, of course, that would have reduced their no doubt substantial profit

Knowing what numpties G4S are, we'd probably find that a few of these people took up other jobs within the organisation and no one connected the dots. It is quite a monster of a company after all.

[DANCE OF DEATH]

Newcastle United have announced that the Local Authority will be hired to go the security of the ground. In Others words G4S have been kicked out of the ground.

[glasshalffull]

Originally Posted by DANCE OF DEATH

Newcastle United have announced that the Local Authority will be hired to go the security of the ground. In Others words G4S have been kicked out of the ground.

And now we've got Jezza assuring us that the 1200 reserve troops now called in is "to leave nothing to chance"

[Charnham]

having been in the local Job Centre today, I noticed the security staff are G4S, given that they have "operatives" in Job Centres, its amazing how poor there recruitment is.

[LostFool]

Originally Posted by paulschapman

G4S may be a bunch of incompetent buffoons - but why do so many people not turn up to work?

It happens quite a lot. People will go along for "paid training" sessions but then never turn up for the first proper day on the job as they have found somewhere else to go where they can be paid for sitting in a classroom learning how to suck eggs.

I once started a job that had a 2 week training period. At the end, almost everyone "passed" the training but on the following Monday only about half of us turned up. The company didn't seem that surprised by the drop out rate.

Personally, I'd rather the military are providing the security for the Olympics than a group of reluctants dragged in off the dole queue. At least you know the boys and girls in uniform will turn up and take the job seriously - but they will all deserve a big bonus (paid for by G4S) afterwards.