[Stansfield]

"Yeah, well separated twin stories never end happily, except for The Parent Trap!"


Can't say this weeks was a filler....with a title A Dance with Death, but it did take time to get started, but with the identity swap, Beckett solving two Murders and a Butler in the frame, for one minute...I liked it.

And Millicent Martin guest starring....

Sound good too, but for sometime it sounded out of sync, picture/sound.

"The girls came along"....

[jcafcw]

So the English detective is Colin Hunt?

Surely they must know what calling someone a Colin Hunt means?

[jcafcw]

Maxwell Sheffield CANNOT be the killer. It is just not right.

[Mishcoll]

I absolutely love this show but am so glad there is only 3 episodes left of series 4 as the will they wont they is now getting silly. Wish the writers would just get on with it, though I have the feeling it will drag out for a while yet

[PhoenixRises]

I liked last nights episode, apart from the guy who was meant to be an English cop, I mean if you want them to be English why not get a actor who can do an English accent - this guy sounded Australian rather than English. It was annoying.

[dlmccabe]

he is an Australian actor, was in either Neighbours or Home & Away in the past. I thought the same when I saw the episode a few months ago. Was awful, wasn't it!

[MoreTears]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRises

I liked last nights episode, apart from the guy who was meant to be an English cop, I mean if you want them to be English why not get a actor who can do an English accent - this guy sounded Australian rather than English. It was annoying.

He sounded just like countless British characters I have seen in countless British TV shows, to say nothing of the fact he sounded like many real working class Brits I have seen on BBC World news programmes. Brits simply have a strange defensiveness and outright hostility to seeing anything about themselves or their country depicted in American TV shows and movies.

[PhoenixRises]

Originally Posted by MoreTears

He sounded just like countless British characters I have seen in countless British TV shows, to say nothing of the fact he sounded like many real working class Brits I have seen on BBC World news programmes. Brits simply have a strange defensiveness and outright hostility to seeing anything about themselves or their country depicted in American TV shows and movies.

Well to me he sounded Australia. I am not defensive about British accents, and I don't think you can assume I am from one comment made about someone who didn't do it at all well.

I know there are actors out there who do good British accents (hence why I said why didn't they get one) and when done well I will acknowledge it Frances McDormand, Gwyneth Paltrow, Meryl Streep, Kevin Kline, Reese Witherspoon, these have all done great accents as far as I am concerned.

But just because I said this one actor didn't really do well at the accent and he sounded mostly Australian to me rather than English, I am defensive? Would you call me defensive if I said Marlon Brando or Kevin Costners accents were very sub par??

So no not defensive, just didn't do well in my opinion which annoyed me in what was a fair episode otherwise.

[MoreTears]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRises

Well to me he sounded Australia. I am not defensive about British accents, and I don't think you can assume I am from one comment made about someone who didn't do it at all well.

I don't want to single out anybody in particular, because I have never seen anything BUT complaints from Brits -- all Brits -- about how Brits or the UK are depicted in US TV shows and movies. It is not like Brits aren't aware that there are many different variations on the "British Accent," but Brits always seem to complain if a Brit in an American show doesn't speak exactly like they do personally. It is a bizarre phenomenon to me.

In fact, when I watched this episode of Castle at the time it aired in the US, I said to myself, "When this airs in the UK people are not going to credit the show for not having the British cop speak with an RP accent, but they will just find something else to complain about."

[PhoenixRises]

Originally Posted by MoreTears

I don't want to single out anybody in particular, because I have never seen anything BUT complaints from Brits -- all Brits -- about how Brits or the UK are depicted in US TV shows and movies. It is not like Brits aren't aware that there are many different variations on the "British Accent," but Brits always seem to complain if a Brit in an American show doesn't speak exactly like they do personally. It is a bizarre phenomenon to me.

Well I don't speak with an East End accent, my accent is rarely depicted on American shows (if ever) so I never expect them to speak like me personally, I just feel that his east end accent wasn't that good in my opinion. Now you feel he was great and sounded just like an East End cockney, I am not going to argue with you about the fact.

And it is not just Americans doing accents that would grate on me, if I hear some English guy attempting an Irish accent and they came across more Scottish it would grate on me, just get someone who can do the accent. I have no vested interest in someone doing the accent right out of some Nationalistic pride, it just throws me out of the moment if something is so bad it is wrong. Another example is British doing not so good American accents Clive Owen in Sin City comes to mind, I am very much an equal opportunity kind of person when it comes to accents if you do it well I enjoy it (usually to the point I don't realise they are not from where they portray to be) but when it is bad no matter the accent it grates a little

I just wondered why if this guy can do an Aussie accent, and there is an Aussie Embassy in New York, why not change that one plot point, it is not like the story would tumble if the character was Australian rather than a Londoner.

[MoreTears]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRises

Now you feel he was great and sounded just like an East End cockney, I am not going to argue with you about the fact.

I never said he sounded East End Cockney. I simply said he sounded like a lot of Brits I have seen on British TV shows and on the news, and I have no idea where THOSE people came from. Was it said in the Castle episode that the character was East End Cockney? If that was established, then sure, that would be an inaccuracy worth complaining about.

I just wondered why if this guy can do an Aussie accent, and there is an Aussie Embassy in New York, why not change that one plot point, it is not like the story would tumble if the character was Australian rather than a Londoner.

The script would have been finished before they started auditioning actors for the guest star role, and it is quite possible he gave a better audition, with his fake accent, than REAL British actors who auditioned.

There are plenty of British and Australian actors playing Americans on American TV these days. Should American shows automatically cast American actors to play Americans? I actually think it is a good policy, an open-minded, inclusive policy, to open roles to actors of all nationalities.

[PhoenixRises]

Originally Posted by MoreTears

I never said he sounded East End Cockney. I simply said he sounded like a lot of Brits I have seen on British TV shows and on the news, and I have no idea where THOSE people came from. Was it said in the Castle episode that the character was East End Cockney? If that was established, then sure, that would be an inaccuracy worth complaining about.

Yes it was established that he was from the East End, and then he was Etonian Educated.

Is it OK that I grumble now?

Originally Posted by MoreTears

The script would have been finished before they started auditioning actors for the guest star role, and it is quite possible he gave a better audition, with his fake accent, than REAL British actors who auditioned.

There are plenty of British and Australian actors playing Americans on American TV these days. Should American shows automatically cast American actors to play Americans? I actually think it is a good policy, an open-minded, inclusive policy, to open roles to actors of all nationalities.

And I NEVER said it should be British Actors doing the Accent!! Read the rest of my post, I said get someone who can do the accent! Doesn't matter who that person is or where they are from if they can do the accent then that is all I ask!

As for the script being complete, I have heard of script changes happening all the time because the actor they got doesn't fit their need but is perfect for the role otherwise so they wrote around that actor.

[MoreTears]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRises

Yes it was established that he was from the East End, and then he was Etonian Educated.

Is it OK that I grumble now?

Yes, your grumbling now has my official blessing.

And I NEVER said it should be British Actors doing the Accent!! Read the rest of my post, I said get someone who can do the accent! Doesn't matter who that person is or where they are from if they can do the accent then that is all I ask!

As for the script being complete, I have heard of script changes happening all the time because the actor they got doesn't fill their need so they wrote around that actor.

The British stuff was all throughout the script, but really the Castle producers were clearly happy with the guy they got to play the Brit. I understand that you, as a Brit, are unhappy about the East End accent being wrong, but I don't see any Americans -- the show's intended and primary audience -- coming away from that episode thinking the character wasn't believable as British. And Americans wouldn't care about the East End thing. They were happy to watch eleven seasons of Frasier with Mancunian Daphne not speaking with a proper Manchester accent.

[PhoenixRises]

Originally Posted by MoreTears

Yes, your grumbling now has my official blessing.




The British stuff was all throughout the script, but really the Castle producers were clearly happy with the guy they got to play the Brit. I understand that you, as a Brit, are unhappy about the East End accent being wrong, but I don't see any Americans -- the show's intended and primary audience -- coming away from that episode thinking the character wasn't believable as British.

OK, we will agree to disagree on the accent, however I would just say it is not because I am a Brit that I found the accent irritating it was because it wasn't good to my ears. That is the point I was trying to make from the start

[PhoenixRises]

Originally Posted by dlmccabe

he is an Australian actor, was in either Neighbours or Home & Away in the past. I thought the same when I saw the episode a few months ago. Was awful, wasn't it!

I didn't see your post until just now - this makes sense to why he sounded Australian, I thought he was American

[Stansfield]

Neither here nor there about the accent....But Kate in that Dress.......jaw dropping.

Good episode too.


"Their are no bad episodes of Miami Vice"

[Brummiekev]

Personally I thought last nights episode was only average. I didnt like the British Cop, whos accent I thought was a bit suspect. I didnt know who the guy was when I was watching it but he seemed to still have a slight aussie accent. So not shocked to find out, he is indeed an Australian actor.

In the main though I've enjoyed this season, some great episodes like the one last week. What has irked me, is the Beckett and Castle 'will-they-or-wont-they' saga. Lets face it, the producers have teased us for way too long now ( since the start) and its getting a bit tedious. For me this MUST come to a head by the end of this season. Fingers crossed it does

Why dont they focus on the other characters and not just this one storyline.In Season 3, they focused on the 'who killed Beckett's Mother' storyline, which I found really good. The Season finale of that season is my favourite episode of Castle. I would love them to mix it up, have more major storylines on Alexis, Martha, Ryan, Esposito or Lanie. They have been with the show from the start.

[MrMarple]

Gotta say, I didn't really enjoy this weeks episode, which I was expecting to love.
Adam Baldwin was a nutcase cop & he played it well.
AB reuniting with NF (from Firefly).
Interesting story with action & comedy.
Everything about it said I should have loved it............ but I didn't. I actually got quite bored.

[Heavenly]

Originally Posted by Brummiekev

Personally I thought last nights episode was only average. I didnt like the British Cop, whos accent I thought was a bit suspect. I didnt know who the guy was when I was watching it but he seemed to still have a slight aussie accent. So not shocked to find out, he is indeed an Australian actor.

I recognised him straightaway as being in Neighbours, and found his English accent awful!

[PhoenixRises]

Originally Posted by MrMarple

Gotta say, I didn't really enjoy this weeks episode, which I was expecting to love.
Adam Baldwin was a nutcase cop & he played it well.
AB reuniting with NF (from Firefly).
Interesting story with action & comedy.
Everything about it said I should have loved it............ but I didn't. I actually got quite bored.

Even though I have watched Firefly, I completely missed the connection until I read you post. I can't believe it

I am with you about not enjoying this weeks episode. I think it is the "will they, won't they" plot they have going on. I think the tension between them was better when it was further in the background than it is now. I mean if they do get together it will change the dynamic incredibly, then there is the inevitable break up which changes it again, and then there is the make up where they are either friends or together again. But I don't think they will get back to how they were which is where we fell in love with the characters.

So I am not sure if they ever get back to how they were, but I do feel that is why I am not enjoying it as much as I would like.

[JasonWatkins]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRises

But I don't think they will get back to how they were which is where we fell in love with the characters.

Thing is though, it depends how they play it. Obviously they're going to be fully aware of the "moonlighting curse" so I think they'll have considered all the potential options for any possible relationship.

Sure, I do miss a lot of the flirting and the innuendo from the earlier seasons as Nathan Fillion's facial expressions have been priceless, but I suppose you could still get that if they get together because she could promise him all sorts of shenanigans if he behaves .. stuff like that.

[PhoenixRises]

Originally Posted by JasonWatkins

Thing is though, it depends how they play it. Obviously they're going to be fully aware of the "moonlighting curse" so I think they'll have considered all the potential options for any possible relationship.

Sure, I do miss a lot of the flirting and the innuendo from the earlier seasons as Nathan Fillion's facial expressions have been priceless, but I suppose you could still get that if they get together because she could promise him all sorts of shenanigans if he behaves .. stuff like that.

See I can understand that, but I think because it is a TV show they can keep the loved up couple thing going for half a season or so, but then the writers will start adding the frictions. And if they go with the break up scenario then that is another half a season of them not talking or being horrible to each other, and that is what makes this work those two characters interacting together.

It is a personal reason for my declining enjoyment, and I hope they resolve the plot soon as it is starting to drag and bore me slightly.

[Matt35]

So is there only 2 eps left of this series? i know nathan has said he`d like to do 5th and maybe a 6th series and then end it. He doesn`t want to see it decline and then get axed which i agree. Has much as i love it and especially stana who is so gorgeous.

[PhoenixRises]

Originally Posted by Matt35

So is there only 2 eps left of this series? i know nathan has said he`d like to do 5th and maybe a 6th series and then end it. He doesn`t want to see it decline and then get axed which i agree. Has much as i love it and especially stana who is so gorgeous.

That is the problem with finding a show you enjoy, you never want to see it end but you know that a decline is inevitable if they continue on for too long, you start becoming bored of the show, they pile up on your PVR until eventually you end up deleting them unwatched.

So I agree with Nathan Fillion despite not wanting to lose a good show I would rather it end on the high rather than the low.

[JasonWatkins]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRises

I hope they resolve the plot soon as it is starting to drag and bore me slightly.

Well I suppose you can look at moonlighting again. they had maddie and david get together in only the 2nd season and look how that went ..

it's definitely something they can't drag out forever as i think people will start to switch off. i think them hooking up is inevitable due to how it's been set up, but it's really down to how and when.