[LilyAnna80]

Originally Posted by Syntax Error

On the contrary, I think Luke A should be applauded for his actions.

What do some people on this thread want; did they want he to be verbally aggressive to them & kick & throw things?

He's obviously done it to save his skin, but Luke A is honest & has openly said that he doesn't want to go & is there to win, so what is wrong with him being a mature adult & trying resolve the situation in an adult way?

We know he wants to save his skin, and its to his credit that he openly sayd he wants to win.

What was cringey about this, was the fact he has never bothered to build any bridges in the prior weeks. Once he is up for eviction - he wants to be everyones friend. Maybe it is a case of - too little, too late. And - no, why would he be expected to be verbally aggressive, kick or throw things. It was just the way he did it that was smarmy.

[What name??]

Originally Posted by Syntax Error

He's obviously done it to save his skin, but Luke A is honest & has openly said that he doesn't want to go & is there to win, so what is wrong with him being a mature adult & trying resolve the situation in an adult way?

What has been resolved? How has he or they agreed to act diffferently so that they can get on better? What has he decided to change or asked them to? What is the constructive outcome?

How can for example Luke S change the fact that he is muslcled, laid back and comfortable with himself which as we suspected turns out to be Luke A's only problem with him?

[occulta7]

Originally Posted by Cranberryapple

Why does he need to know why he was put up for eviction? They all have to be at some time time. His " come and talk to me " is most strange. Why have they to talk to him about it? Are they not entitled to nominate him for simply not liking him?

His forced niceness routine didn't work so now he's being the sickly slimey politician my god its so over the top and really quite insulting to the other housemates its looks as if he's begging to be liked and begging people not to put him up ! I for one will be suprised if the gbp buy all his latest tactics to remain in the house; so transparent !

[radiofree]

Originally Posted by JB3

Always liked Luke A, but it was cringy tonight.

same here. i've always liked luke a but his various convos with luke s, caroline and becky were vomit-inducing. particularly with luke s 'when you first walked down the stairs, this really cool guy with an amazing body etc''.... jeez.... really cringe-y and fake.

[MissBeastie]

Originally Posted by hisdogspot

When he told him he is such a cool guy and what an amazing body he has ... I died a little inside for him

^ this.

Is he perhaps a little bit in love with Luke S?

[Doug Lewis]

Originally Posted by hisdogspot

It was cringe-worthy ... it really was

Where is the "eff 'em" Luke ?

Exactly.

Well said.

[Jak14]

Originally Posted by LilyAnna80

We know he wants to save his skin, and its to his credit that he openly sayd he wants to win.

What was cringey about this, was the fact he has never bothered to build any bridges in the prior weeks. Once he is up for eviction - he wants to be everyones friend. Maybe it is a case of - too little, too late. And - no, why would he be expected to be verbally aggressive, kick or throw things. It was just the way he did it that was smarmy.

I could understand your reasoning if he had been saved this week and was working on the HM's for next week, but the damage is done, he is up for eviction, and genuinely didn't know people had a problem with him (with the exception of Caroline) they hadn't said anything to his face how was he to know??? He didn't know they were scheming behind his back, and most HM's really don't have a problem with him, Caroline and Becky just made him an easy target......It's good that he has taken this opportunity to talk to other HM's about his shortcomings,but he has nothing to worry about.....Hopefully Caroline will take this opportunity to change her ways.

[Jak14]

Originally Posted by occulta7

His forced niceness routine didn't work so now he's being the sickly slimey politician my god its so over the top and really quite insulting to the other housemates its looks as if he's begging to be liked and begging people not to put him up ! I for one will be suprised if the gbp buy all his latest tactics to remain in the house; so transparent !

He's already up....so what are you on about.

I didn't like the Luke S conversation, but I think Luke A was genuine in what he said.....

I know he shed a few tears in the D/R but no-one likes to hear people tearing them apart especially HM's who said they liked him.......Why is it so bad for a man to cry....Lauren had tears as well, is that a tactic?

[LilyAnna80]

Originally Posted by Jak14

I could understand your reasoning if he had been saved this week and was working on the HM's for next week, but the damage is done, he is up for eviction, and genuinely didn't know people had a problem with him (with the exception of Caroline) they hadn't said anything to his face how was he to know??? He didn't know they were scheming behind his back, and most HM's really don't have a problem with him, Caroline and Becky just made him an easy target......It's good that he has taken this opportunity to talk to other HM's about his shortcomings,but he has nothing to worry about.....Hopefully Caroline will take this opportunity to change her ways.

My reasoning is that he hopes to be saved this week, and is working on the h/m's for the following weeks.

He didn't know that some in their don't particularly like him? Not so many days that he was saying "eff em".

[What name??]

Originally Posted by Jak14

I could understand your reasoning if he had been saved this week and was working on the HM's for next week, but the damage is done, he is up for eviction, and genuinely didn't know people had a problem with him (with the exception of Caroline) they hadn't said anything to his face how was he to know?

Some of them did. Sara did. She told him that she thought the way he snapped at her and was nice one day and was sharp later was rude and made her not know where she stood with him. In response he snapped at her.

He also knew Becky had a problem with him for thowing the task. When she talked to him about it he pretended not to like pasta - and snapped at her.

[Dexter32]

Originally Posted by Cranberryapple

Why does he need to know why he was put up for eviction? They all have to be at some time time. His " come and talk to me " is most strange. Why have they to talk to him about it? Are they not entitled to nominate him for simply not liking him?

This PR stunt from Luke A was deffo cringing! The Insiders will clearly know what he's doing. Had he not been put up for eviction he would never have been trying to build bridges. Bad bad move Luke A

[charybdis]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

yes you have. Weeks ago you said he was a miserable, moany bore. I always like to check this kind of statement to see if the person really has changed their mind, or just thinks that makes their post sound stronger.

Is there a problem with liking a miserable moany bore?

[MissBeastie]

Luke needs to learn that he's not going to be treated with care by the housemates on the grounds that he was born in the wrong body and if he's too vulnerable to accept criticism, then BB is the wrong game show for him to try to win the money he seems to so desperately want.

[wonkeydonkey]

Originally Posted by Sunnydayz

I find Luke's need for acceptance a little strange, simply because he has a wife who loves him completely for who he is. How many people are as lucky as that.

He seems very lucky with his wife, who sounds perfect for him. But it is very natural to want to fit into the group you are with as well. Many very happily married people go through tough times with their work colleagues, for example, which can really upset them. I think the talks with Luke S and Caroline were good for all three of them; I do really believe that Caroline got some insight into what it had been feeling like for him to see endless whispering and sniggering; she is a thorny rose but not emotionless or devoid of empathy.

Becky I grant you seemed a waste of time. Just a tiresome babble of self-justification; but he did his best.

[occulta7]

Originally Posted by Jak14

He's already up....so what are you on about.

I didn't like the Luke S conversation, but I think Luke A was genuine in what he said.....

I know he shed a few tears in the D/R but no-one likes to hear people tearing them apart especially HM's who said they liked him.......Why is it so bad for a man to cry....Lauren had tears as well, is that a tactic?

Sounded like he's trying to get in luke s good books to me
and what big change from saying 'its a little too late' he clearly felt threatened by luke s for no good reason now he's trying to kiss arse with him because he might be evicted friday and no way is his pathetic attempts genuine
as he's only trying to save himself!

[Pices-55]

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly

That's not entirely true.
The bits they showed on tonight's HL show was cut.

Luke A said he disliked Luke S from the moment he walked down the stairs, something about Luke a looking very confident.

When he said that Luke S treated him as if he was invisible, Luke S said something about they used to do the exercising together but it fizzled out and then they didn't talk.

What Luke A has conveniently forgotten is that Chris was the kickstart to him hating Luke S. Though that was built on Luke A's insecurities (and not forgetting Chris's own as well, who remembers "want to piss with you not against you to Aaron")

Luke A has made a complete mess of his time in the house and he really doesn't have anyone to blame but himself.

For weeks all we have read here is how nasty the "insiders" are but half of it stems from Luke A pretending to himself he has been rejected and trying to justify his insecurities by projecting false emotions onto other HM.

He was never hated. Even him saying it now rings false. They liked him more than the others who have been nominated and evicted but just not as much as those who they haven't nominated this week.

Me, I can't stand him.
He's the kind of person who makes others look bad because they can't get over themselves.

I agree with this post, several weeks ago he was bitching about Lauren because she was being pally with the insiders, he never even wanted to intigrate imo, he has fed off the house divide and encouraged it.
All he does is sit in the garden bitching to his homies, he even called them HIS team, it makes him feel good no doubt that they at least saw him as their alpha.
And now he is up for eviction we have all the nonsense about him being ostracised and bullied......what a load of shite.If he feels inadequate its his own making because he is a sly behind the back coward.

Why is he now saying if you have a problem with me then tell me, he should take his own advice. Sara tried to ask him what the problem was after he kept snapping at her and he sullenly told her if he had a problem with her he would tell her....NO you would not Luke, because you have not told anyone YOU have a problem with them just bitched about them behind your hands..........he calls himself a loser and thinks he f**ks everything up in his life, even though he has a great wife and job,,,,I have always thought him a very poor housemate, boring and bitchy but never actually disliked him until now.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by General Bounce

I'd be happy with any housemate doing the same thing if they actually had the integrity and were articulate enough to do it in the same way as Luke A.

People forget that Luke's been through changes that most people cannot even comprehend, and he's clearly happy with just being himself. Which is why he can't quite understand what people have against him.

What Conor did last week was pathetic and doesn't even fall in the same league.

Of course it isn't in the same league. People are judging the depth and veracity of Luke's pleasantness against the depth and veracity of Conor's unpleasantness. Apples and oranges. Smarmy, dull and cringeworthy seems to be the best anyone can come up with. I don't think he's remotely smarmy and I though his reactions to Caroline's tantrum in the DR were the funniest and most endearing part of what has been a dreadful show. His personality - along with those of Adam, Deana, Lauren, Sara and Scott have been absolutely stifled by the domineering, intimidating articles that are Conor and Caroline and their respective minions.

[Integrity - that was not integrity it was ass licking at its worst

I am only interested in a h/m on what they do inside the house - their stories outside of it bore me to tears - hence I judge Luke to be a boring ass licker

Conor was cringey - but not quite as much as Luke[/quote]

No, Conor wasn't cringey at all. He was his usual bullying, inarticulate, narcissist, nasty self.

Originally Posted by LarryHillington

What is the deal here, wonkey?

There's liking someone and then there's blind loyalty. You have become obsessive in your defence of Luke A.

He can do no wrong in your eyes.

You even said you find it endearing when he ruffles his hair. I find that disturbing.

This has to get the irony award of the year, surely?

Originally Posted by onfencewithrach

that doesn't mean he/she disliked him just that he/she thought he was a miserable, moany bore, could've been in one episode, could've been for one moment.

i went through a period where lauren annoyed me to the point of exhaustion because of her voice but once the voice got back to normal i was ok with her again.

wtf btw who goes back and checks what people said weeks ago.

Oh, I've done that quite a few times. Always when a poster starts with 'I really used to like ***** , but' or 'I've gone right off *****'............... it's a ploy employed with depressingly regularity.

Originally Posted by Syntax Error

On the contrary, I think Luke A should be applauded for his actions.

What do some people on this thread want; did they want he to be verbally aggressive to them & kick & throw things?

He's obviously done it to save his skin, but Luke A is honest & has openly said that he doesn't want to go & is there to win, so what is wrong with him being a mature adult & trying resolve the situation in an adult way?

Very well said.

[lynzee]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

But he was trying to get to the bottom of why HE didn't like THEM (without turning it into a horrible "and you always..." bleat). He said to Caroline that he didn't like the way she whispered about people, and let her say her piece. He told Luke S that he had ignored him for two weeks and treated him as if he was invisible, then let him say his piece. I can't actually remember what he said to Becky - possibly I was too busy hiding in the cupboard under the stairs by that point - but it was an honest attempt to explain his issues and deal with theirs.

In my opinion it was an honest attempt to garner votes and to ensure that if he does stay on Friday that they don't nominate him again.

[Speak-Softly]

Originally Posted by occulta7

Sounded like he's trying to get in luke s good books to me
and what big change from saying 'its a little too late' he clearly felt threatened by luke s for no good reason now he's trying to kiss arse with him because he might be evicted friday and no way is his pathetic attempts genuine
as he's only trying to save himself!

In some ways what he has done to Luke S in so far as the public goes, is unforgivable.

In people's rush to defend Luke A, they have attributed faults to Luke S that originated not with Luke S, but from Luke A.

On this forum people have been attacked for pointing out the problems stem from Luke A. Very few said anything about the "too little too late" remarks, preferring instead to go along with Luke A's interpretation of events.

That's why I don't like him and will never like him until he gets over himself.

People like Luke A cause so much trouble for people. They take their issues and lay them on others and then claim victim status.

[angussugna]

Originally Posted by Martena

I didnt cringe. I genuinely think that he took it really hard that so many people said they disliked him (even though he knows most of them are horrible people who's opinion shouldn't matter a jot!) and he was just trying to clear the air; more to make himself feel better than anything.

I like Luke. I think he's a genuine person; and he's a million times better than the likes of Ashleigh, Luke S, Caroline, Becky, etc etc.

Sadly his grovelling for acceptance by those cretins only serves to enhance their deluded belief that their opinions are of any consequence to normal human beings and that their vile behaviour is not only acceptable but to be aspired to.

[eachtotheirown]

I do like Luke, but it was cringey and I couldnt see the point, Seemed like it was for the viewers rather than the housemates.

[wonkeydonkey]

Originally Posted by eachtotheirown

I do like Luke, but it was cringey and I couldnt see the point, Seemed like it was for the viewers rather than the housemates.

He was called to the diary room because he had been so upset the day before, so they wanted to make sure he was OK. He showed that he was still upset, and repeated his distress at being so disliked by the other housemates. They asked him what he thought he could do to sort things out with them. He said he would talk to the ones he had a problem with and try to sort it out.

No other explanation at all is needed.

[maidmary]

I just think that Luke knows this is very likely his last week in the BB house and that he would like it to be a more fun one than there's been so far.

It's a shame they were allowed to talk noms at all because it poisoned the whole time for everyone in there. Luke is doing the right thing in trying to calm down the relentless hostilities on both sides and try to inject a friendlier atmosphere for the last few weeks.

At least one or two of the hms might take on board the need to lighten up and be nicer in future.

Don't think he is particularly disliked but he was a soft target in face to face noms for the dominant group. Maybe Luke A is curious to know if certain hms are just towing the party-line so to speak re noms. They probably dislike certain members of their own group more but have run with the pack to save their own skins.

Maybe he wondered if any of those he spoke to might be honest enough to admit as such lol

[Jak14]

Originally Posted by occulta7

Sounded like he's trying to get in luke s good books to me
and what big change from saying 'its a little too late' he clearly felt threatened by luke s for no good reason now he's trying to kiss arse with him because he might be evicted friday and no way is his pathetic attempts genuine
as he's only trying to save himself!

He gave a reason to Luke S....It was on first impressions, but he didn't know Luke S had a problem with him as they had never had a real conversation..............A lot of HM's took an instant dislike to Luke S, Benedict and Chris being 2 of them

He's trying to save himself Are you telepathic? why would he think the public would save him because he's spoken to Luke S

[Jak14]

Originally Posted by LilyAnna80

My reasoning is that he hopes to be saved this week, and is working on the h/m's for the following weeks.

He didn't know that some in their don't particularly like him? Not so many days that he was saying "eff em".

But he didn't know what the problem was until they nominated him and gave reasons.