[BrooklynBoy]

Originally Posted by M@nterik

It is an explanation, it is not the only logical one, but it is certainly plausible.

Absolutely, gotta be the Israelis and the Americans out to cause trouble to Israels neighbors.

[M@nterik]

Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy

Absolutely, gotta be the Israelis and the Americans out to cause trouble to Israels neighbors.

Well no one is saying it definitively but it is a possibility and it is best to try to keep an open mind, something you may find quite hard to do.

But you carrying on arguing against points that have not been made if it makes you happy.

[BrooklynBoy]

Originally Posted by M@nterik

Well no one is saying it definitively but it is a possibility and it is best to try to keep an open mind, something you may find quite hard to do.

But you carrying on arguing against points that have not been made if it makes you happy.

I'm not arguing at all, I'm just agreeing!

[M@nterik]

Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy

I'm not arguing at all, I'm just agreeing!

With a point that was not made.

[BrooklynBoy]

Originally Posted by M@nterik

With a point that was not made.

With a point that will be made and is being thought but hasn't been uttered yet, but it will.

Oh and to pre-empt your reply, yes absolutely I am a mind reader. this is all just very very predictable on this forum.

[M@nterik]

Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy

With a point that will be made and is being thought but hasn't been uttered yet, but it will.

Oh and to pre-empt your reply, yes absolutely I am a mind reader. this is all just very very predictable on this forum.

The only thing that is predictable is your schtick. We always get your sort in any thread about Israel. We can never have a rational debate as it gets derailed by people like yourself with a very limited focus and very limited agenda. An open mind would be beneficial for you.

However you are responding to points that have not been made and you deem to be in the minds of posters here.

That is priceless.

LOL.

[BrooklynBoy]

Originally Posted by M@nterik

The only thing that is predictable is your schtick. We always get your sort in any thread about Israel. We can never have a rational debate as it gets derailed by people like yourself with a very limited focus and very limited agenda. An open mind would be beneficial for you.

However you are responding to points that have not been made and you deem to be in the minds of posters here.

That is priceless.

LOL.

"Your sort"?

What exactly is my sort? What exactly is rational about making any kind of assumption such as the assumption you think is entirely plausible? What is rational about that? Are the rational discussions only to be had with those who agree with you? Anyone else is some kind of negative sort that you like to roll your eyes at and patronize?

Since this is now becoming a personal argument do you want to play it where we ignore each other, continue to make condescending remarks in the thread or take it to PM? Your call, I don't care either way.

[jjne]

Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy

So who do you think did it then jenzie? The Israelis blew their own people up to blame Iran? The Americans did it to make the Israelis think it was Iran? I mean, obviously it wasnt Iran and it was not any kind of terror attack.

Terrorists did it.

Until we've had an investigation these terrorists could have come from Milton Keynes for all we know.

[BrooklynBoy]

Originally Posted by jjne

Terrorists did it.

Until we've had an investigation these terrorists could have come from Milton Keynes for all we know.

I would agree with you.

[M@nterik]

Originally Posted by jjne

Terrorists did it.

Until we've had an investigation these terrorists could have come from Milton Keynes for all we know.

True, or Tel Aviv, Teheran, Tennessee or anywhere. To definitively state it is one or not one is just not sensible.

In the immediate aftermath of the Oklahoma bomb Islamic terrorism was blamed. We know how that one ended up.

[The 12th Doctor]

There has been a lot of Iranian-backed terrorism against Israelis across the world recently, and the Western world doesn't seem to care. Anti-Semitism is cool again it seems

[Miss Georgie]

Originally Posted by jjne

Terrorists did it.

Until we've had an investigation these terrorists could have come from Milton Keynes for all we know.

yes it could of been a random nutter for all we now

i think the targeted they tsrget israels is not an accident

but its dangerous for Israel ministers to say oh must be iran there you go

[M@nterik]

Originally Posted by The 12th Doctor

There has been a lot of Iranian-backed terrorism against Israelis across the world recently, and the Western world doesn't seem to care. Anti-Semitism is cool again it seems

Oh sure, if you do not slavishly toe the Israeli line you are an anti-semite !!!!!

[The 12th Doctor]

Originally Posted by M@nterik

Oh sure, if you do not slavishly toe the Israeli line you are an anti-semite !!!!!

"Toe the Israeli line?" What "Israeli line?"

[jjne]

Originally Posted by Miss Georgie

yes it could of been a random nutter for all we now

i think the targeted they tsrget israels is not an accident

but its dangerous for Israel ministers to say oh must be iran there you go

Agreed.

Until we know the facts this is a tragic atrocity. To apportion blame at this point is premature. I would agree though that the fact that this was a bus full of Israeli tourists is no accident.

I'd be interested to know why Israel advised citizens not to visit Bulgaria -- what is the connection here?

[M@nterik]

Originally Posted by The 12th Doctor

"Toe the Israeli line?" What "Israeli line?"

Try watching the news.

Why is it whenever Israel is discussed people always play the anti-semitic card when there is no anti-semitism except in the mind of those who see it everywhere. It is just a default reaction to try to neuter any anti-Israeli sentiment by trying to tap into communal guilt over events a few generations back.

It will be the holocaust next.

[The 12th Doctor]

Originally Posted by M@nterik

Try watching the news.

Why is it whenever Israel is discussed people always play the anti-semitic card when there is no anti-semitism except in the mind of those who see it everywhere. It is just a default reaction to try to neuter any anti-Israeli sentiment by trying to tap into communal guilt over events a few generations back.

It will be the holocaust next.

This thread is about a terrorist attack on a group of Israelis. Are you saying that blowing up a bus full of Jews isn't anti-Semitic?

That's a new one on me.

[M@nterik]

Originally Posted by The 12th Doctor

This thread is about a terrorist attack on a group of Israelis. Are you saying that blowing up a bus full of Jews isn't anti-Semitic?

That's a new one on me.

I have no doubt it is.

Until we know who is responsible and why we cannot say.

Not every act committed against Israel or Jews is anti-semitic in spite of your view of these things. It is just a lazy way of trying to stifle debate and discussion, especially challenging the actions of the Israelis.

[jzee]

Originally Posted by jjne

I'd be interested to know why Israel advised citizens not to visit Bulgaria -- what is the connection here?

I think it was just the proximity to Turkey.

[thenetworkbabe]

Originally Posted by jjne

Agreed.

Until we know the facts this is a tragic atrocity. To apportion blame at this point is premature. I would agree though that the fact that this was a bus full of Israeli tourists is no accident.

I'd be interested to know why Israel advised citizens not to visit Bulgaria -- what is the connection here?

You won't know because the evidence probably lies in intercepted communications that only the people with the ability to intercept and read them have knowledge of.You wouldn't disclose the source anyway.

The story coming from Cyprus is that the attack stopped there revealed plans for attacks on tourist buses. I imagine its logical when you hear that to assume other places where your people go on holiday in groups are at risk. its a harder issue when you say don't go there officially and how strongly you say it. I wouldn't go anywhere near the Middle East at the moment as its very near to falling over a cliff into a major war where terrorists and rockets will be falling/blowing things up all over the place - HMG are not saying that for obvious reasons.

[jjne]

Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe

You won't know because the evidence probably lies in intercepted communications that only the people with the ability to intercept and read them have knowledge of.You wouldn't disclose the source anyway.

The story coming from Cyprus is that the attack stopped there revealed plans for attacks on tourist buses. I imagine its logical when you hear that to assume other places where your people go on holiday in groups are at risk. its a harder issue when you say don't go there officially and how strongly you say it. I wouldn't go anywhere near the Middle East at the moment as its very near to falling over a cliff into a major war where terrorists and rockets will be falling/blowing things up all over the place - HMG are not saying that for obvious reasons.

Which is why restraint in apportioning blame is in order.

If the Israelis have evidence, we'll find out in due course. I hope this isn't just loose talking on their part, and trust that it isn't, however I will be keeping an open mind on the matter.

The whole area is a tinder box, and we need to keep the whole thing at arms' length.