[daveyboy7472]

With Genesis Of The Daleks, it's a popular story I'm not keen on. With this story, it seems from reading things here and there that it's possibly regarded as the weakest story of Tom Baker's era-but I still do actually like it-sort of!

It is however imo the worst of all the Cybermen stories. Their return after seven years away is not exactly a spectacular one. They appear a lot more emotional than usual and the 'South African' accent of the Cyber Leader is quite clear. (Maybe he was South African before he was converted!)

If anything it was the Cybermats that had the better comeback even though it's obvious the actors are holding onto them as they are being attacked!

I enjoy all the scenes on the Space Station Nerva but not so much in the cave scenes. Sarah and Harry have another great story together and Harry's friendship with The Doctor is seriously put to the tests at times. (Harry Sullivan is an imbecile!)

The Vogans do spend lots of time arguing with each other but they are a useful addition to the story. The whole bomb plot adds some tension in the latter episodes but perhaps the best part of the story is that The Doctor and Sarah are heading for the Biggest Bang in history!

So yes, not a great story but better perhaps than it's reputation deserves.

[Larry1971]

Originally Posted by daveyboy7472

It is however imo the worst of all the Cybermen stories. Their return after seven years away is not exactly a spectacular one. They appear a lot more emotional than usual

I actually love Revenge, and would certainly rate it higher than Attack and Silver Nemesis , Kellman, is a wonderfull villain and the design of the Cybermen is one of my favorites. And the Doctor's bating of the Cyber leader with his "pathetic bunch of tin soldiers" is one of the best and most memorable Doctor quotes. Of course like most stories it has his plot holes the allergy to gold was one of the worst things ever thought up and made absolutely no sense at all when the Cybermen were walking around on Voga.

the 'South African' accent of the Cyber Leader is quite clear. (Maybe he was South African before he was converted!)

can't say I've ever noticed the accent but the way he walked around with hands on hips made him the campest Cyber leader we've seen.

[gboy]

'Revenge' is certainly better than 'Attack' or 'Silver Nemesis', but it's not in the same league as 'Invasion' or 'Earthshock'.

However, it's a watchable tale, with some good bits (brilliant use of location at Wookey Hole caves, the intense scenes on the space station, the developing relationship between the Doctor, Sarah and Harry), and some bad bits (the Cybermen aren't terribly convincing in this, and the Vogans are pretty dull, plus the story drags at times). Perhaps, like The Sontaran Experiment, this would have worked better as a 2-parter...

A nice idea but poorly realised. Like 'Genesis', it might be interesting to see how it would look if it were remade today.

[Jethryk]

The weakest of Tom Baker's 1st year but far better than some that were to follow and not the worst Cyberman story either, Im with those that would give that 'honour' to Silver Nemesis.

Uncomplicated and undemanding it does include some good moments and regulars are on good form as ever. I think if this wasn't surrounded by so many good stories it wouldn't have quite the reputation it has.

[daveyboy7472]

Originally Posted by Larry1971

I actually love Revenge, and would certainly rate it higher than Attack and Silver Nemesis , Kellman, is a wonderfull villain and the design of the Cybermen is one of my favorites. And the Doctor's bating of the Cyber leader with his "pathetic bunch of tin soldiers" is one of the best and most memorable Doctor quotes. Of course like most stories it has his plot holes the allergy to gold was one of the worst things ever thought up and made absolutely no sense at all when the Cybermen were walking around on Voga.

I can't really agree with that. I love Attack Of The Cybermen and to an extent I don't mind Silver Nemesis either. At least the Cybermen were more like Cybermen in both. In this they seem a pale shadow of their former selves and even their voices, accent or not, sound almost normal.

Do agree about Kellman though, he was a good villain even in the end not everything was as it appeared with him.

[doublefour]

Originally Posted by daveyboy7472

If anything it was the Cybermats that had the better comeback even though it's obvious the actors are holding onto them as they are being attacked!

I enjoy all the scenes on the Space Station Nerva but not so much in the cave scenes. Sarah and Harry have another great story together and Harry's friendship with The Doctor is seriously put to the tests at times. (Harry Sullivan is an imbecile!)

The shiny flashing nerve thing (if you know what I mean) that happens to all the victims of the cybermats is reasonably good effects I always thought!
This is a great scene and quote, it is the quote from this story. :cool Although I like the Bunch of tin soldiers quote for it's wind up value.

Originally Posted by Larry1971

I actually love Revenge, and would certainly rate it higher than Attack and Silver Nemesis , Kellman, is a wonderfull villain and the design of the Cybermen is one of my favorites. And the Doctor's bating of the Cyber leader with his "pathetic bunch of tin soldiers" is one of the best and most memorable Doctor quotes. Of course like most stories it has his plot holes the allergy to gold was one of the worst things ever thought up and made absolutely no sense at all when the Cybermen were walking around on Voga.

This is the problem with this story, it's just too unbelievable. Gold tipped bullets anyone? Yet in Silver Nemesis, Ace with a catapult and gold coins takes out a whole group of them!

Originally Posted by Jethryk

The weakest of Tom Baker's 1st year but far better than some that were to follow and not the worst Cyberman story either, Im with those that would give that 'honour' to Silver Nemesis.

Uncomplicated and undemanding it does include some good moments and regulars are on good form as ever. I think if this wasn't surrounded by so many good stories it wouldn't have quite the reputation it has.

There is still lots going for it, it is quite dramatic and Tom is continuing to shine even with a less good script and story than the previous stories.

[DavetheScot]

From the sublime to the ridiculous...

This is truly awful. I hate Attack and Silver Nemesis, but even they're better than this.

[Stever7]

If we include NuWho then The Next Doctor is the worst Cyberman story. The epsiode might have been ok...ish... but the Cybermen involvement was aweful. I used to quite like Cybermen, in particular I rated Tomb of the Cybermen fairly highly. But their involvement in The Next Doctor had a fair greater negative impact on my opinion of them than Victory of The Daleks had on my opinion of the Daleks.

[doublefour]

A lot of opinion that this is the worst Cybermen story, I don't think this does the Cybermen any favours at times. How gormless do they look when they start losing the signal of the Cyber Bombs as the Doctor & Co wearing them get nearer Voga's core. It makes me laugh everytime I see them try to blow up the Bombs with the dramatic build up in that scene. Overall it is one of the weaker Cybermen stroies, I happen to think the standard of Cybermen stories across Doctor Who is quite strong.

[Shawn_Lunn]

Meh, not great but not awful either.

[allen_who]

I remember getting this on VHS in 1992 and enjoying it as I'd not seen a TB story for 11 years. Only now that in the context of other story's does it seem weak. I thinks it's hard done by myself.

Think Tom should have had at least one more tale with the Cybermen, Daleks (only 2??), and certainly The Zygons

[DavetheScot]

Originally Posted by Stever7

If we include NuWho then The Next Doctor is the worst Cyberman story. The epsiode might have been ok...ish... but the Cybermen involvement was aweful. I used to quite like Cybermen, in particular I rated Tomb of the Cybermen fairly highly. But their involvement in The Next Doctor had a fair greater negative impact on my opinion of them than Victory of The Daleks had on my opinion of the Daleks.

Well, there we are; I loved The Next Doctor. For me it's the best of the Christmas specials. Proves yet again that there will never be consensus on anything.

[Stever7]

Originally Posted by DavetheScot

Well, there we are; I loved The Next Doctor. For me it's the best of the Christmas specials. Proves yet again that there will never be consensus on anything.

Indeed It's what I like about DW and life in general. If well all liked the same things life would be awefully dull

[allen_who]

I too liked The Next Doctor, and thought it the best of all the Christmas specials. In fact, it's the only one I've watched more than once

[Listentome]

I really don't like this one at all. I just can't sit through it. I actually can't think of any story that bores me more.