[googleking]

Originally Posted by gother

Wrong again stop commenting unless you have actual facts. I'm a Talktalk tv trialist and have been watching the tv without issues via ADSL line.

Also the youview box is free to talktalk plus customers and plus customers get priority. Essential customers can still have the box but will have to pay £299 but i think you may be able to get the box for £100 + £50 installation just have a chat to cs.

£50 for installation? To just plug it in? WTF!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by joshua_welby

Source: I put in my Phone Number into the YouView Checker and it said that my line is too slow and I need Fibre Broadband to get it

It's a very poor interface.
* I entered my details on the TalkTalkTV page, you can't see the packages on offer unless you do this.
* It said my line was too slow to support it and suggested I see if I could get fibre.
* I was then directed to the fibre checker where I had to enter my details again.
* It said I could get fibre and invited me to sign up.
However, there was no option to see the TV packages on offer which might tempt people to sign up as I had been navigated away to the broadband page!

[gother]

Originally Posted by googleking

£50 for installation? To just plug it in? WTF!

It's not just as simple as just plugging it in. You may need network cables fitting , your router changed , your broadband optomised , demonstration etc although a little chat to cs can get that £50 waived

[gother]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's a very poor interface.
* I entered my details on the TalkTalkTV page, you can't see the packages on offer unless you do this.
* It said my line was too slow to support it and suggested I see if I could get fibre.
* I was then directed to the fibre checker where I had to enter my details again.
* It said I could get fibre and invited me to sign up.
However, there was no option to see the TV packages on offer which might tempt people to sign up as I had been navigated away to the broadband page!

Agreed they do need to work on that. I will pass this on and see if they can look at it

[promo-only]

TV Boost structures and prices are subject to change. TV Boost availability is subject to minimum line speed. Channels on all purchased TV Boosts are only available via the TalkTalk Player and you will not have the ability to record any programming in the TalkTalk Player. Programmes and channels are subject to change and may differ at launch.

Will there be any way to record the non-Freeview channels?

[1andrew1]

@gother - thanks.

With TalkTalk - and BT shortly - to be offering free/subsidised boxes, I wonder what the market for Humax's £300 YouView box will be like.

Yes, there will be some smaller ISPs who so not offer a TV service (principally PlusNet, O2, Orange, BE, Tesco, Eclipse) but these only account for 14% of the market and tend to be focused on the value end of the market so not fitting the profile of someone who will spend £300 on a box.

There may be some VM and Sky customers who are attracted to the idea of a box with a more open platform enabling them to subscribe to access services such as Netflix, LoveFilm on their televisions if not using a console. However, for a lot of these households the PVR and Freeview facilities would be little used making the box an expensive option.

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

@gother - thanks.

With TalkTalk - and BT shortly - to be offering free/subsidised boxes, I wonder what the market for Humax's £300 YouView box will be like.

Yes, there will be some smaller ISPs who so not offer a TV service (principally PlusNet, O2, Orange, BE, Tesco, Eclipse) but these only account for 14% of the market and tend to be focused on the value end of the market so not fitting the profile of someone who will spend £300 on a box.

There may be some VM and Sky customers who are attracted to the idea of a box with a more open platform enabling them to subscribe to access services such as Netflix, LoveFilm on their televisions if not using a console. However, for a lot of these households the PVR and Freeview facilities would be little used making the box an expensive option.

The Humax box is now available at John Lewis :-

http://www.johnlewis.com/231674495/P...chTerm=youview

Must admit - I'm tempted to buy one and then flog it when BT release thier box which I guess wont be for months yet.

[promo-only]

I've been thinking about switching providers but have been waiting for YouView details first. What are the odds of BT carrying the Sky channels or do you think they will only be available on TalkTalk's YouView service?

I'm wondering if I go ahead and sign up with TalkTalk now, will I end up wishing I'd waited for BT to announce their details first..?

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by promo-only

TV Boost structures and prices are subject to change. TV Boost availability is subject to minimum line speed. Channels on all purchased TV Boosts are only available via the TalkTalk Player and you will not have the ability to record any programming in the TalkTalk Player. Programmes and channels are subject to change and may differ at launch.

Will there be any way to record the non-Freeview channels?

Thats a massive downer. A PVR that can't record subscription channels. Where on the TalkTalk site does it say this ?

[promo-only]

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Thats a massive downer. A PVR that can't record subscription channels. Where on the TalkTalk site does it say this ?

http://sales.talktalk.co.uk/product/tv

Scroll to the bottom and have a read of the small print section. I'm taking it to mean there's no way to record any pay channels at all then? Definite no-no if that's the case then

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by promo-only

http://sales.talktalk.co.uk/product/tv

Scroll to the bottom and have a read of the small print section. I'm taking it to mean there's no way to record any pay channels at all then? Definite no-no if that's the case then

Seems black and white to me. ALOT of people are going to assume that you can record these channels. Unless TalkTalk make this clearer they are going to cause a crapstorm.

I personally wouldnt pay for any channel that I can't record on my PVR.

This is a biggy and one which will kill any takeup of the TV boost packages.

[Duncan_Styles]

I dont like the idea that different vendors will carry different channels, I wouldnt mind sky channels but i wouldn't go back to Talk Talk if you paid me.

I thought that the whole point of YouView was that it bought everything together under one brand but now it seems that it will be fractured.

[pzboyz]

It is early days yet, it will take a while for the Lovefilm, Netflix and NOW TV clients to arrive on all boxes regardless of your ISP. If this does not happen, AMS will have a lot to answer to.

[Dionbelmont]

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Seems black and white to me. ALOT of people are going to assume that you can record these channels. Unless TalkTalk make this clearer they are going to cause a crapstorm.

I personally wouldnt pay for any channel that I can't record on my PVR.

This is a biggy and one which will kill any takeup of the TV boost packages.

Exactly.
I made the point on another thread here that people were making significant assumptions on the IPTV capability of the Youview boxes, despite the only real detail in the intial launch offering being on Freeview + Catch Up.

Can live tv on an IPTV channel even be paused???

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by Dionbelmont

Exactly.
I made the point on another thread here that people were making significant assumptions on the IPTV capability of the Youview boxes, despite the only real detail in the intial launch offering being on Freeview + Catch Up.

Can live tv on an IPTV channel even be paused???

If you can't record it - I can't see it pausing either (which is a form of recording)

I wouldnt generalise either. Dont forget, this is TalkTalks IPTV service, I'm hoping BT's version has no such limitation.

[tallguy9]

Originally Posted by wwwebber

If you can't record it - I can't see it pausing either (which is a form of recording)

I wouldnt generalise either. Dont forget, this is TalkTalks IPTV service, I'm hoping BT's version has no such limitation.

If it does It will probably be much more expensive, after all you can't record Now TV and Sky would hardly let BT undercut that

[chrisbartley]

If you can't record it - I can't see it pausing either (which is a form of recording)

Don;t know about the youview box or maybe your comment is more related to TalkTalk or similar

But normal iPlayer etc can pause can't it
its not really recording is it, its just stopping a stream
pausing live tv could be said to be recording because its being written to an HDD during the pause

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by chrisbartley

Don;t know about the youview box or maybe your comment is more related to TalkTalk or similar

But normal iPlayer etc can pause can't it
its not really recording is it, its just stopping a stream
pausing live tv could be said to be recording because its being written to an HDD during the pause

Not quite true.

Iplayer is VOD and is not live linear TV.

A live IPTV stream is no different to a live TV signal, if you pause it you need to record the data that is still coming.

[technologist]

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Dont forget, this is TalkTalks IPTV service, I'm hoping BT's version has no such limitation.

and it is NOT youview either which is ISP and box supplier Agnostic.

[Dionbelmont]

The reason I posed the pause question is because I have an Orange IPTV box in France, which is capable of pausing live tv even on IPTV channels e.g. Disney, Canal+ Movies, Canal + Sport etc, but the box itself has no recording capability.

It can pause for upto 90 mins only I think so I guess it has a very small hard drive.

On the Orange box you switch between IPTV channels and Digitial Terrestrial channels seamlessly, and wouldn't notice any difference in functionality between the two.

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by technologist

and it is NOT youview either which is ISP and box supplier Agnostic.

It is Youview, TalkTalk calls it Youview and so will BT when they launch thiers. It's just Youview with bells on.

[ndev70]

I have been looking forward to the launch of YouView, but when I saw that Humax's box was £299 I decided against it. How can I justify replacing my HDR-FoxT2 just to add ITV Player, 4oD and Demand 5? Especially as my computer is connect to my TV.

Then I saw that TalkTalk were offering a YouView box for free in return for renewing my contract. I've had no problems with TalkTalk for the two years I've been with them, and I plan to stay with them anyway.

But I'm not convinced that it's necessary to pay £50 for installation. Not only that, but all the optional additional channels appear to be SD only - and you can't record them

It's almost as if getting a YouView box from TalkTalk would be a downgrade!

I think I'll stick with Freeview+HD for now.

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by ndev70

I have been looking forward to the launch of YouView, but when I saw that Humax's box was £299 I decided against it. How can I justify replacing my HRD-FoxT2 just to add ITV Player, 4oD and Demand 5? Especially as my computer is connect to my TV.

Then I saw that TalkTalk were offering a YouView box for free in return for renewing my contract. I've had no problems with TalkTalk for the two years I've been with them, and I plan to stay with them anyway.

But I'm not convinced that it's necessary to pay £50 for installation. Not only that, but all the optional additional channels appear to be SD only - and you can't record them

It's almost as if getting a YouView box from TalkTalk would be a downgrade!

I think I'll stick with Freeview+HD for now.

I'd pay £50 for a box worth £299 but I do agree with your points regarding HD & recording.

[ndev70]

Originally Posted by wwwebber

I'd pay £50 for a box worth £299

Fair point

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Duncan_Styles

I dont like the idea that different vendors will carry different channels, I wouldnt mind sky channels but i wouldn't go back to Talk Talk if you paid me.

I thought that the whole point of YouView was that it bought everything together under one brand but now it seems that it will be fractured.

Everything's under one brand but companies can provide exclusive content, as TalkTalk have chosen to do.