[mwardy]

I saw TDKR in a digital IMAX cinema. Having done a bit of reading up, these screens have an aspect ratio of 1.9:1. Can someone who's seen it in a true IMAX cinema, with a ratio of 1.4, confirm that the IMAX sequences fill the whole screen? Or are there effectively 'black bars' at the top and bottom of the image? If it's the former I'm going to see it again!

I think the answer is that it does fill the screen but I just want to be sure. Ta.

[Yuffie]

I saw it in Glasgow IMAX and parts of the films did fill the whole screen, with the non IMAX scenes having the black bars at the top and bottom. It was all very seemless, I didnt notice the flicker between the two.

[mwardy]

@Yuffie: That's just what I wanted to hear--cheers!

Time to book the train tickets...

[Josh Pinder]

Ah i cannot wait to watch it again!

And as for reviews, fan reception it has been very very positive overall.....but where the more mixed reviews come in (personally i dont understand why and never will) is where either expectation was too high for it (for me it surpassed expectation so perhaps another reason why i dont understand these reviews) and/or they wanna fuss about length of film etc etc.

But tbh TDKR has had overall more positive reviews than Batman Begins and fan reception is on a par looking around! But tbh the whole series altogether is another level all together so it is a showcase and a testiment for its power

[MrSuper]

Originally Posted by rumpleteazer

I was disappointed but only because I think I expected too much

That's pretty much my own take on it as well. Didn't live upto expectations, especially Bane and the fact Batman hardly featured in the movie at all. Not a bad film by any means but it isn't brilliant either.

[_elly001]

Originally Posted by Josh Pinder

And as for reviews, fan reception it has been very very positive overall.....but where the more mixed reviews come in (personally i dont understand why and never will) is where either expectation was too high for it (for me it surpassed expectation so perhaps another reason why i dont understand these reviews) and/or they wanna fuss about length of film etc etc.

Neither of those things apply to me - I didn't have especially high expectations, just the usual type of expectations, and I much prefer longer films. Nonetheless, I just thought this film was 'quite good' - certainly not the masterpiece that some people are making it out to be.

[Josh Pinder]

I dont particularly feel its a case of "not the masterpiece that people are making it out to be" i mean it is by definition a masterpiece film by way of filmmaking, story, acting, direction its all top notch and expert....but personally i dont rewatch or get the satisfaction of 12 Angry Men but i acknowledge it is a masterpiece film you know?

It is tough to describe...but like anything else really always have an open mind and really bring it but everyone has different tastes etc too....but i am so pleased the overall reception has been so acclaiming despite the controversies or what the media makes it out to be....its a sublime film in a masterpiece trilogy and i cannot wait to rewatch again

[MrSuper]

Originally Posted by Josh Pinder

I dont particularly feel its a case of "not the masterpiece that people are making it out to be" i mean it is by definition a masterpiece film by way of filmmaking, story, acting, direction its all top notch and expert....but personally i dont rewatch or get the satisfaction of 12 Angry Men but i acknowledge it is a masterpiece film you know?

I agree with the rest, but if by story you mean the script then it's certainly no masterpiece. There were so many plot holes and inconsistencies you could drive a truck through them!

[seellee]

Originally Posted by MrSuper

I agree with the rest, but if by story you mean the script then it's certainly no masterpiece. There were so many plot holes and inconsistencies you could drive a truck through them!

There weren't that many plot holes if you ask me. I think people are getting confused between plot holes and realism. If you said its unrealistic in places I'd agree. Plotholes? Not so much.

[Deserana 12]

Originally Posted by MrSuper

I agree with the rest, but if by story you mean the script then it's certainly no masterpiece. There were so many plot holes and inconsistencies you could drive a truck through them!

Could you detail these plot holes please?

[DanMan01]

Originally Posted by Heavenly

The sign of a really good film for me is when it's really long....and no-one moves for the duration of the film, and that is what happened.

Yeah, not gonna lie, I really don't care what anyone thinks. For me, well worth it. Some people overthink too much, the success of TDK/Heath Ledger didn't help the expectations etc. In terms of box office success, the Aurora incident hindered a lot. I really think it would have been flying towards that $1 billion mark. Anyway, movie of the year for me.

[MrSuper]

Originally Posted by Deserana 12

Could you detail these plot holes please?

These are all linked together.

1. Bane taking Bruce to The Pit halfway across the world and returning back to Gotham in what seemed like minutes.

2. Bruce's miraculous back recovery in the Pit (that easy is it?) and climbing out of The Pit with his severely damaged leg.

3. Bruce returning back to Gotham from The Pit which is in complete lockdown by Bane and his goons without no food/water, no passport, no money, no resources, no Alfred and conveniently just happens to know where Selina Kyle is when he first turns up.

4. Bane revealed to just be a simple henchman. Why?! All that for nothing!

No3 is probably my biggest gripe. They may not really be plot holes but it was ridiculous. Nolan should have done better than that.

[Josh Pinder]

Originally Posted by MrSuper

These are all linked together.

1. Bane taking Bruce to The Pit halfway across the world and returning back to Gotham in what seemed like minutes.

2. Bruce's miraculous back recovery in the Pit (that easy is it?) and climbing out of The Pit with his severely damaged leg.

3. Bruce returning back to Gotham from The Pit which is in complete lockdown by Bane and his goons without no food/water, no passport, no money, no resources, no Alfred and conveniently just happens to know where Selina Kyle is when he first turns up.

4. Bane revealed to just be a simple henchman. Why?! All that for nothing!

No3 is probably my biggest gripe. They may not really be plot holes but it was ridiculous. Nolan should have done better than that.

It seemed like minutes because....hes BATMAN!! its up to own interpretation of how he got back to gotham....but tbh just because there were a few minutes of scene gap doesnt mean it only took him a few minutes to get there.

It wasnt miraculous it took time for him to heal an to fully recover hense why it took so long for him to actually escape the pit.

Again it is all down to convenience to make the story flow and character interactions flow...i mean what would be the point in seeing how Batman located Selina and finding everyone...he just shows up out of the darkness and makes the entrance only Batman could...its what he is known for.

Bane is hardly a "simple henchman" he is always hired in the comics and the animated series (Rupert Thorne used him twice in the show) so it makes no difference...Bane is the mask in front of the total brains of the operation...it is clever and quite the twist.

[seellee]

Originally Posted by MrSuper

These are all linked together.

1. Bane taking Bruce to The Pit halfway across the world and returning back to Gotham in what seemed like minutes.

2. Bruce's miraculous back recovery in the Pit (that easy is it?) and climbing out of The Pit with his severely damaged leg.

3. Bruce returning back to Gotham from The Pit which is in complete lockdown by Bane and his goons without no food/water, no passport, no money, no resources, no Alfred and conveniently just happens to know where Selina Kyle is when he first turns up.

4. Bane revealed to just be a simple henchman. Why?! All that for nothing!

No3 is probably my biggest gripe. They may not really be plot holes but it was ridiculous. Nolan should have done better than that.

They aren't plotholes at all, just unrealistic. However he is Batman. How does he manage to build the batcave alone under Wayne manor? Etc etc. it's comic book it's not supposed to be real.
People go on about how much better the dark knight is, what about that huge sonar device, what the f*ck was that all about?

A I said before, people are getting confused between plotholes and realism.

[MrSuper]

Originally Posted by Josh Pinder

It seemed like minutes because....hes BATMAN!! its up to own interpretation of how he got back to gotham....but tbh just because there were a few minutes of scene gap doesnt mean it only took him a few minutes to get there.

It wasnt miraculous it took time for him to heal an to fully recover hense why it took so long for him to actually escape the pit.

Again it is all down to convenience to make the story flow and character interactions flow...i mean what would be the point in seeing how Batman located Selina and finding everyone...he just shows up out of the darkness and makes the entrance only Batman could...its what he is known for.

Bane is hardly a "simple henchman" he is always hired in the comics and the animated series (Rupert Thorne used him twice in the show) so it makes no difference...Bane is the mask in front of the total brains of the operation...it is clever and quite the twist.

No1. is about Bane not Bruce.

As for the rest why couldn't there be a added, clearer scene for Bruce to recognize his time and distance and how he got back to Gotham.

The fact Bane's death is so anti-climatic does make him a simple henchman, especially when it's Selina who kills him and not Batman.

Sorry, but the film was over the place! Won't stop me from watching it in IMAX next week.

[CJClarke]

Originally Posted by MrSuper

1. Bane taking Bruce to The Pit halfway across the world and returning back to Gotham in what seemed like minutes

It didn't seem like minutes to me, infact i didn't even pick up on how quickly Bane seemed to return to Gotham, this film doesn't take place in "real time" like an episode of 24 so i think you have to forgive it for playing with time.

As for how Bruce got back to Gotham undetected, that is easily explainable due to the fact that he was trained by the League of Shadows to be an undetectable ninja, yes it would be a stretch for any normal human, but he's Batman who was trained to be resourceful without any resources. And also, who says that he just "conveniently" knows where Selina is? He could have been tracking her for all we know, waiting for a moment to approach her. Just because we don't actually SEE something doesn't make it a plot hole. Pretty much every film features people just arriving at places without us seeing the actual journey. I honestly don't think that the film would have benefitted from any surplus scenes of Bruce hitchhiking from the Pit all the way to Gotham, nor would any scenes showing him following Selina. And besides, the way he just appears in front of her is in keeping with the way Batman just randomly appears/disappears.

[2Legit2Quit]

There's a programme about TDKR on MTV Music tonight at 9:30.

[Matt D]

Originally Posted by MrSuper

3. Bruce returning back to Gotham from The Pit which is in complete lockdown by Bane and his goons without no food/water, no passport, no money, no resources, no Alfred and conveniently just happens to know where Selina Kyle is when he first turns up.

No3 is probably my biggest gripe. They may not really be plot holes but it was ridiculous. Nolan should have done better than that.

Before he became The Goddamn Batman, Bruce managed to travel the world without a passport, money or resources...

[As if he *did* have those things when travelling prior to Batman Begins, people would have known that he was alive and would have known where he was, which obviously was not the case given that Mr Earle had him declared legally dead thanks to Bruce being totally AWOL]

So if he could do it before Batman, I'm sure that he could do it again.

As for avoiding the lockdown and getting into the city... well, he is The Goddamn Batman. Even without the money or the suit, he still has the skills, training, knowledge etc.

[Josh Pinder]

Originally Posted by 2Legit2Quit

There's a programme about TDKR on MTV Music tonight at 9:30.

IM THERE!!!

[2Legit2Quit]

So am I.

If anyone spots the rescheduled TDKR programmes from Sky One and T4 can they please post the day/time up here.

[Deserana 12]

Originally Posted by MrSuper

These are all linked together.

1. Bane taking Bruce to The Pit halfway across the world and returning back to Gotham in what seemed like minutes.

2. Bruce's miraculous back recovery in the Pit (that easy is it?) and climbing out of The Pit with his severely damaged leg.

3. Bruce returning back to Gotham from The Pit which is in complete lockdown by Bane and his goons without no food/water, no passport, no money, no resources, no Alfred and conveniently just happens to know where Selina Kyle is when he first turns up.

4. Bane revealed to just be a simple henchman. Why?! All that for nothing!

No3 is probably my biggest gripe. They may not really be plot holes but it was ridiculous. Nolan should have done better than that.

Number 3 is the only main one there to me.

Bane is not a simple henchman. It was more of a partnership/collaberation than just Talia being the bad guy. They had a plan that Bane put in motion. You may not like it but he is in no way a mere henchman.

Number 1 is not a plot hole. They just don't show it. Doesn't effect the plot in anyway.

Bruce's back wasn't fully broken. Suspension of disbelief is required for this but 5 months has passed and with the amount of excerise/training he was doing it probably would have healed a great deal. The leg however did seem to just disappear. I wouldn't say it was a plot hole though.

So a list of 4 only one is a genuine plot hole. A plot hole that has been umoured to have been filmed but for some reason been left out.

[gashead]

Never mind the plot holes that may or may not exist, the story was riddled with cliches, so I'm not sure it can be considered a masterpiece of writing. The ones I noticed and can remember:
- the coward who redeems himself at the end
- the cop throwing his badge away
- the villain (sort of) who only looks after number one and takes off, but shows she's not all bad by going back to help
- the bomb being diffused at the last second
- the bomb actually having a timer. This was particularly impressive considering it was counting down the exact time until the cells became unstable enough to explode.
And my personal favourites:
- Wayne using "my friend" when referring to Batman and no-one even questioning it, let alone putting two & two together. Very Lone Ranger !
- and the one person that does figure it out does so by the look in Wayne's eyes ! That's some f-ing lazy writing right there.

At times I wondered if they were homages to the 70's shows. All open to interpretation of course.

[Deserana 12]

Originally Posted by gashead

Never mind the plot holes that may or may not exist, the story was riddled with cliches, so I'm not sure it can be considered a masterpiece of writing. The ones I noticed and can remember:
- the coward who redeems himself at the end
- the cop throwing his badge away
- the villain (sort of) who only looks after number one and takes off, but shows she's not all bad by going back to help

You do know these contribute to character arcs right? The cop throwing his badge away was part of his character arc. And redemption is a classic arc. They aren't cliches but a standard part to a character story. Selina just driving off wouldn't have been very good for her character. The cop throwing the badge signified that he could no longer be a cop to do what he wants to do.

As many times as you've seen them there is zero wrong with it.

- Wayne using "my friend" when referring to Batman and no-one even questioning it, let alone putting two & two together. Very Lone Ranger !

Wayne was a shut out and a recluse who walked with a very bad limp. Even as suspicious as it sounds I don't think anyone would think he was Batman considering the state he was in.

- and the one person that does figure it out does so by the look in Wayne's eyes ! That's some f-ing lazy writing right there.

As well delivered as it is by JGL I agree with this one.

Also cliches don't make a bad film. And in no way does it affect a film from being a masterpiece as long as they are presented well.

[gashead]

Originally Posted by Deserana 12

You do know these contribute[/i] to character arcs right? The cop throwing his badge away was part of his character arc. And redemption is a classic arc. They aren't cliches but a standard part to a character story. Selina just driving off wouldn't have been very good for her character. The cop throwing the badge signified that he could no longer be a cop to do what he wants to do.

As many times as you've seen them there is zero wrong with it.


Wayne was a shut out and a recluse who walked with a very bad limp. Even as suspicious as it sounds I don't think anyone would think he was Batman considering the state he was in.


As well delivered as it is by JGL I agree with this one.

Also cliches don't make a bad film. And in no way does it affect a film from being a masterpiece as long as they are presented well.

I'm not saying they aren't movie staples. The reason they're cliches is precisely because they're so commonly used in movies. As you say, Nolan had a story to tell, one that's been told many times before in many different ways, so it was inevitable they would be used. Nor am I saying they're necessarily a bad thing. TDKR is hardly meant to be high art. It's a summer blockbuster fantasy movie, so to criticise it for being un-realistic or badly written would be ridiculous. I'm just not sure that the script is going to pick up any major awards for being a 'masterpiece'.

[Deserana 12]

The script from the second act onwards is incrediby rushed. The initial first draft was 350-400 pages long which is roughly 6 hours but in the end was cut down to 165. There was a rumour that WB had pushed Nolan to make it in to two parts.

It wont win any awards and neither will TDKR out of the technical ones which I really thought it would have a shot with before the release. I reckon the original script was the best superhero story to be put on screen.