[petertard]

...according to the Critics at Sight and Sound Magazine.

[Mark A]

I wouldn't trust them to cross the road properly, let alone tell me what they think about movies.

Regards

Mark

[Parker45]

Originally Posted by Mark A

I wouldn't trust them to cross the road properly, let alone tell me what they think about movies.

Regards

Mark

This isn't a poll of Sight and Sound critics. It's compiled every decade from lists supplied by the best critics worldwide and is recognised as the most authoritive of all film polls..

[Ginger Nut]

Watched some of Citizen Kane and turned it off because it was painfully dull. From experience of discussion on several other forums I believe that CK broke quite a lot of new ground in the technology of cinema which is part of why it's always regarded as one of the greats. In fairness that passed me by.

I've actually never seen Vertigo at all.

Relieved that Robbie Williams didn't get named greatest ever film,

[Mark A]

Originally Posted by Parker45

This isn't a poll of Sight and Sound critics. It's compiled every decade from lists supplied by the best critics worldwide and is recognised as the most authoritive of all film polls..

When I said 'them' I meant all film critics, not just the wasters at S&S.

Regards

Mark

[rfonzo]

Vertigo is a very good film but I think Citizen Kane is better as well as Rear Window is better as a Hitchcock film.

[Mr Teacake]

Didn't think much of Vertigo tbh but that stands for Hitchcock in general. Seriously surprised it could covet such an award.

[Leo91]

I haven't seen all of Alfreds work but Pyscho is one of the few perfect movies ever made. Once you get past the amazing twisting story you can examine the amazing performances, before breaking down the masterful camera and visual direction, not forgetting the amazing score. Today its such a well known film that we take for granted what it must have been like upon release before any hype. The mis-direction is played wonderfully not only once but twice.

[Glengavel]

Vertigo to me isn't a tour-de-force of cinema in the same way that Citizen Kane is. There's a lot of nasty psychological stuff in Vertigo but, from what I remember, visually it's a bit dull, apart from the "zoom and pull-back" special effect.

[treme]

Everyone knows that Big Trouble in Little China is the Best Film Ever

[jordanash]

Originally Posted by Mr Teacake

Didn't think much of Vertigo tbh but that stands for Hitchcock in general. Seriously surprised it could covet such an award.

It's lucky they don't issue awards for making sense. How can a film "covet" an award ?

[petertard]

2001: A Space Odyssey is ranked as the 6th best by the critics.

[revans9]

one look at the list and the fact that the interminable tree of life is one of the few post-2000 films on there tells you it's a poll for academic types who prefer to read films rather than watch them.

there certainly aren't many enjoyable films on the list as entertainment value is always derided by sight and sound. films for them are supposed to be art not entertainment. i always remember reading a quote in s&s that said citizen kane is "more fun than any great film i can think of".

anyone who has sat through citizen kane will tell you the last thing it is is fun.

and anyway, no top 100 poll can be taken seriously if it doesn't feature Without a Clue

[Johnny Clay]

Originally Posted by revans9

one look at the list and the fact that the interminable tree of life is one of the few post-2000 films on there tells you it's a poll for academic types who prefer to read films rather than watch them.

there certainly aren't many enjoyable films on the list as entertainment value is always derided by sight and sound. films for them are supposed to be art not entertainment. i always remember reading a quote in s&s that said citizen kane is "more fun than any great film i can think of".

anyone who has sat through citizen kane will tell you the last thing it is is fun.

and anyway, no top 100 poll can be taken seriously if it doesn't feature Without a Clue

Where is Tree of Life? Full list isn't out yet, but I understand Mulholland Drive is at 28 (back of the net, Lynch )

Anyway, Vertigo. I said in the Hitchcock thread that this may happen, but am actually quite surprised. Maybe there's a touch of overreaction about it given how it once languished in obscurity. But I do understand why it's been chosen by so many, as it's probably his most cine-literate film. A film about film-making if you like, one that prefigures the same sort of interior focus postmodernism brought along.

It's a very academic choice on a very academic list. And with 846 polled, a vast increse from 144, a very comprehensive one as well. It'll be interesting to see the changes. Can't wait for the latest issue to see who voted what.

They also poll film directors themselves, which can make for a more interesting reading. Toyko Story, 2001 and Kane are the biggies here, with Vertigo a mere seventh.

Obviously these sorts of results are going to be markedly different from Empire or IMDB lists, but none of these should be seen as gospel. Film is too wide a spectrum for that, and our responses to it always subjective. They're best seen as guides for those wanting to expore further.

Perhaps IMDB should follow suit. Every ten years we poll the world's leading fanboys....

[Mark A]

So called 'academic' analysis of film often produces some of the most fatuous, blazingly meaningless pseudo-intellectual hog-wash ever perpetrated on the human race. On the other hand, plebian posturing fan-boy dribble drivel is equally as annoying and meaningless.

But this is to be expected as 95% of everything sucks so why should dick-heads of all hues and persuasions discussing films be any different?

I should mention that I happily include myself in the 95%.

Regards

Mark

[Glengavel]

Originally Posted by Johnny Clay

Where is Tree of Life? Full list isn't out yet, but I understand Mulholland Drive is at 28 (back of the net, Lynch )

Anyway, Vertigo. I said in the Hitchcock thread that this may happen, but am actually quite surprised. Maybe there's a touch of overreaction about it given how it once languished in obscurity. But I do understand why it's been chosen by so many, as it's probably his most cine-literate film. A film about film-making if you like, one that prefigures the same sort of interior focus postmodernism brought along.

It's a very academic choice on a very academic list. And with 846 polled, a vast increse from 144, a very comprehensive one as well. It'll be interesting to see the changes. Can't wait for the latest issue to see who voted what.

They also poll film directors themselves, which can make for a more interesting reading. Toyko Story, 2001 and Kane are the biggies here, with Vertigo a mere seventh.

Obviously these sorts of results are going to be markedly different from Empire or IMDB lists, but none of these should be seen as gospel. Film is too wide a spectrum for that, and our responses to it always subjective. They're best seen as guides for those wanting to expore further.

Perhaps IMDB should follow suit. Every ten years we poll the world's leading fanboys....

IMDB is a fanboys' poll!

[CLL Dodge]

Top 10:

1. Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)

2. Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941)

3. Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953)

4. La Regle du Jeu (Renoir, 1939)

5. Sunrise: a Song for Two Humans (Murnau, 1927)

6. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968)

7. The Searchers (Ford, 1956)

8. Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929)

9. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1927)

10. 8½ (Fellini, 1963)

3 films from the 20's is overdoing it.

[be more pacific]

Originally Posted by CLL Dodge

Top 10:

1. Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)

2. Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941)

3. Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953)

4. La Regle du Jeu (Renoir, 1939)

5. Sunrise: a Song for Two Humans (Murnau, 1927)

6. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968)

7. The Searchers (Ford, 1956)

8. Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929)

9. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1927)

10. 8½ (Fellini, 1963)

3 films from the 20's is overdoing it.

And nothing at all from the last four decades. This seems to be a list of the most innovative films of their time, rather than films people would particularly enjoy.

[petertard]

Is Tokyo Story any good ?

[CLL Dodge]

Originally Posted by petertard

Is Tokyo Story any good ?

Very arty but deserves its high reputation.

[afx237vi]

Originally Posted by be more pacific

And nothing at all from the last four decades. This seems to be a list of the most innovative films of their time, rather than films people would particularly enjoy.

Speak for yourself. I enjoy old films far more the majority of films released these days.

[Finny Skeleta]

Originally Posted by afx237vi

Speak for yourself. I enjoy old films far more the majority of films released these days.

Exactly.

A well-crafted, well-shot, in depth character study is a hell of a lot more entertaining than yet another bloody car somersaulting through the air towards the camera or a series of "hey teenage boys, buy this poster" shots of someone in sunglasses holding a gun in a badass way.

[petertard]

I reckon 2001 is the best of the lot, at least technically.

[be more pacific]

Originally Posted by Finny Skeleta

Exactly.

A well-crafted, well-shot, in depth character study is a hell of a lot more entertaining than yet another bloody car somersaulting through the air towards the camera or a series of "hey teenage boys, buy this poster" shots of someone in sunglasses holding a gun in a badass way.

That's rather a simplistic way of looking at old versus new films. I was merely observing that nothing from the last four decades made it into the Top 10. The last 40 years of cinema hasn't all been dumbass car somersaulting / sideways gun movies, you know.

[MissDexter]

Originally Posted by be more pacific

That's rather a simplistic way of looking at old versus new films. I was merely observing that nothing from the last four decades made it into the Top 10. The last 40 years of cinema hasn't all been dumbass car somersaulting / sideways gun movies, you know.

But you didn't merely observe that. You finished your statement by saying they were hardly films that people would enjoy - speak for yourself.
Who are you to say people wouldn't - just because you believe you wouldn't doesn't mean no one else will.