[roddydogs]

But they aint on in the day, either.!

[DragonQ]

Dat's crazy talk. There's loads on right now:

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From about 22:00 onwards only a few events usually remain (unsurprisingly they're all indoor): badminton, volleyball and basketball. Obviously they can only show what's going on right now because they're live feeds. I think 3 of the channels are dedicated to tennis alone today!

[mossy2103]

And once the Athletics starts, they will be stuffed to bursting again.

And after all, they can only show live what is actually taking place live, so as rounds in one event diminish, of course there will be more blank time, but then other sports begin.

[sparkplugs]

Originally Posted by David (2)

i wonder what visitors from overseas think of the UK's FreeviewLite service in the Weymouth area (sailing events). Most of that area is servered by a digital relay.

They might be quite impressed, don't know really.

[Winston_1]

Originally Posted by David (2)

i wonder what visitors from overseas think of the UK's FreeviewLite service in the Weymouth area (sailing events). Most of that area is servered by a digital relay.

Most of them probably don't watch TV, better things to do (sailing).

[Muzer]

I remember I watched tour de france live with a crappy little aerial in Belgium on my netbook while we were watching the Prologue - made a few friends that day, people were very happy to hear the times, etc.. But yeah, only one multiplex, not too many channels at all... certainly Freeview Lite is much better.


(Interestingly enough, disabling the sound (it was in French anyway) gave a more stable picture - it seemed mplayer's main issue was synchronising the picture and sound when the signal was poor.)

[sparkplugs]

Originally Posted by Winston_1

Most of them probably don't watch TV, better things to do (sailing).

Or even fishing and preparing wonderful seafood meals!

[chrisy]

Originally Posted by Muzer

chrisy: No problem with carrying MPEG4 AVC HD channels on a DVB-T mux

Well, there is, because Ofcom wouldn't allow it!

Originally Posted by SimonBlackham

...the range from 24000 miles above the Equator and 28deg eastwards (including through difficult parts of the Earths atmosphere) to here in the UK means you require avery robust signal for DVB-S(2) - compared with the max 60 odd milesrange that I receive Freeview HD (DVB-T2) from Stockland Hill.

The satellite bands appear to be 30Mhz with the H and V polarizations offset by 15Mhz. (nearly 4 times the Terrestrial bands).

So, basically, you're saying that satellite is an incredibly inefficient form of broadcasting? I suppose we knew that anyway, especially when it comes to regional broadcasts.

[DragonQ]

Even if DVB-S2 is less efficient than DVB-T2, there's much more frequency bandwidth available in the first place so there's a lot more capacity.

[Muzer]

Originally Posted by chrisy

Well, there is, because Ofcom wouldn't allow it!

Really? News to me!

[chrisy]

Originally Posted by Muzer

Really? News to me!

It was one of the main sticking points of Picnic. I can't remember if Ofcom relented on that point (MPEG-4 on a DVB-T mux, not HD) when they finally allowed it, but if they did it would only have been for the pay services.

[The Mc]

So carp? A bit fishy methinks...

[SimonBlackham]

Originally Posted by roddydogs

The 24 Olympic channels are a joke, even in the evening theres nothing on most of them, whats the point.?

They are the international feeds for broadcasters in other countries - note how the sound fades to a background level when the BBC commentaries stop.

The BBC would be creating these feeds even if we had no access to them - and Sky (in a moment of weakness!) decided to put them on satellite for us all to see. Presumably the cable and web copies are paid for by the BBC and Virgin ?

[lstar337]

Originally Posted by The Mc

So carp? A bit fishy methinks...

It is fishy!

The number of negative Freeview comments and/or new posts, especially concerning Olympic coverage recently, smacks of a smear campaign initiated by BSkyB.

There's a bit of conspiracy for ya Friday morning!

[a516]

Originally Posted by SimonBlackham

They are the international feeds for broadcasters in other countries - note how the sound fades to a background level when the BBC commentaries stop.

The BBC would be creating these feeds even if we had no access to them - and Sky (in a moment of weakness!) decided to put them on satellite for us all to see. Presumably the cable and web copies are paid for by the BBC and Virgin ?

The OBS produce the streams. The BBC were originally only going to have them online, but offered them to platform providers. Sky and Virgin are footing the bill for cable and satellite distribution, although Freesat can access the satellite versions.

[Kal_El]

Originally Posted by lstar337

It is fishy!

The number of negative Freeview comments and/or new posts, especially concerning Olympic coverage recently, smacks of a smear campaign initiated by BSkyB.

There's a bit of conspiracy for ya Friday morning!

I have thought this more than once on these forums. I think it's been pretty clear that's what's been happening on several occasions. Our free Olympic coverage courtesy of the BBC has been nothing less than stellar since it started. So naff off Sky.

[Digifriendly]

Originally Posted by Kal_El

I have thought this more than once on these forums. I think it's been pretty clear that's what's been happening on several occasions. Our free Olympic coverage courtesy of the BBC has been nothing less than stellar since it started. So naff off Sky.

How can you say that about Sky when those of us with satellite have been able to enjoy the multi streams due to Sky? (see posts 38 and 40).

[TelevisionUser]

Originally Posted by DeadMan

Why is Freeview so carp?

If we dumped all of the rubbish on Freeview (All those soft porn, shopping, dating, religious, foreign language, radio/data and other ephemera) imagine all the HD goodness we could get from the beeb etc.

Seriously. Freesat has over 24 HD channels for the Olympics right now. Freeview is a joke. The bandwidth is/would be there if we dumped most of what really is just garbage channels.

Or do people really want that junk?

Have you been watching too many of those Matt Hayes fishing shows on Quest?

Seriously though, I don't think that's a fair comparison since satellite is not constrained in the same way that the digital terrestrial system is. Furthermore, the BBC are doing their best to put the most important Olympic events on BBCs 1, 2, 3, 301 & 302. Although time's running out, you could always get a standard definition Freesat system installed to complement your existing Freeview service (cost £80+).

Finally, it is worth restating that Freeview offers much more viewing choice than the five old analogue channels ever did.

[Fairness]

There is a lot of crap on Freeview but it is probably there because people watch it and are willing to buy the products. You can't seriously expect businesses where branding and identity are important to shut up shop for two weeks while big brother muscles them out of the way. And while you might not have any interest in shopping or religion or porn, spare a thought for the people who do and prefer that to sport - why should they be treated as second class citizens?

[Nightdeamon]

To be fair sky lately have been feeding us meatier scraps on Pick TV, StrikeBack, Star Trek, Stargate, Spartacus etc.But for a channel with a high up epg position it should be doing this more regually.

They are really screwing up the 19th- not creating channel familes and not moving the shopping channels out of the way so some good stuff is not as prominent as some of the crap - shopping is.