[pointon27]

After they won gold, Philip hindes when talking to the media seemed to admit that he took a fall in the early rounds as he didn't get a good start. You could see Chris Hoy and Jason Kenny looking on with shock horror at his admittance, or maybe it was all lost it translation due to German being his mother tongue. It seems races can only be restarted if it's due to mechanical failure, so did we pull a fast one?

[benjamini]

He was havin a laugh. Its a non story.
Did you join just to post this rubbish???

[abannie]

he said in an interview with Gary Lineker that that's not what he meant. Something about his back wheel.

[Bosox]

There was a mechanical failure. The bike was checked so they saw whatever went wrong with it. If there hadn't been something there then we wouldn't have got the restart. He had to come of his bike because the free restart for mechanical problems only kicks in if your problems come at the start of the race. Nothing to worry about here.

[TheFridge]

Just saw the interview again and it cracked me up especially Hoy and Kennys expressions , i know hes predictably back tracked now but i donr doubt he was telling the truth first off.

It wasn't cheating but he played the rules to his advantage , you could say hes a very clever young kid for doing it , all depends how you look at these things.

[TheFridge]

Originally Posted by Bosox

There was a mechanical failure. The bike was checked so they saw whatever went wrong with it. If there hadn't been something there then we wouldn't have got the restart. He had to come of his bike because the free restart for mechanical problems only kicks in if your problems come at the start of the race. Nothing to worry about here.

If thats definatly the case i take it back what i just said , still a bloody funny interview though

[Doghouse Riley]

Although he rides for GB, he's German born, but he's got an "English setter" no, sorry, his dad's English.
I guess his first language is German as he's only been here since 2010.

In answer to the question he was trying to say he wanted to get a good time, not that he wanted to get another start, there was obviously something wrong with the bike, so he had to come off it in the first few yards to get the race stopped and started again.

[pointon27]

Originally Posted by benjamini

He was havin a laugh. Its a non story.
Did you join just to post this rubbish???

No i actually joined yesterday, but i'm more of a reader than a poster. I also wasn't having a go at team GB but felt it was a valid question as Hoy's facial impression seemed to be one of shock when his teammate seemed to be digging himself a hole. Like someone has posted further up if it wasn't a mechanical failure than i take my hat off to hindes for his quick thinking.

[JamesC81]

"did you pull a fast one"

"yes"



but i guess more to the point whats the bbc playing at even asking if he cheated?

[Caltonfan]

No they didn't "cheat" there was a malfunction on the bike so he made the sensible decision to deliberately fall over, watching the interview kenny and hoy laugh albeit nervously when he said it but don't think there's anything to be concerned about

[benjamini]

Originally Posted by pointon27

No i actually joined yesterday, but i'm more of a reader than a poster. I also wasn't having a go at team GB but felt it was a valid question as Hoy's facial impression seemed to be one of shock when his teammate seemed to be digging himself a hole. Like someone has posted further up if it wasn't a mechanical failure than i take my hat off to hindes for his quick thinking.

You should have read the chat thread then. It was all explained

[Mrs Teapot]

It's a load of crap, if you look at what happened they realised there was a problem and Chris and co had their arms raised to ask for faulty start.

You could see that something was not right immediately

[*Sparkle*]

I don't hate the Olympics or Germans, or anyone really! But I did raise an eyebrow when I watched that interview. It did come across as if he'd employed tactics, which sounded dodgy.

I'm glad to have it confirmed that wasn't the case and that it was legitimate mechanical failure, and it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask. I'm glad someone did, so it could be answered.

[End-Em-All]

Originally Posted by Mrs Teapot

It's a load of crap, if you look at what happened they realised there was a problem and Chris and co had their arms raised to ask for faulty start.

You could see that something was not right immediately

This is indeed how it appeared. The problem is Hindes then made that comment during his interview which he has now backtracked from. Why he said what he said in the first place and why the BBC interviewer effectively made him admit unsporting behaviour is a mystery to me. Had it been athletes from another country in the same position, I can imagine there being an uproar.

[Mrs Teapot]

Originally Posted by End-Em-All

This is indeed how it appeared. The problem is Hindes then made that comment during his interview which he has now backtracked from. Why he said what he said in the first place and why the BBC interviewer effectively made him admit unsporting behaviour is a mystery to me. Had it been athletes from another country in the same position, I can imagine there being an uproar.

I've not seen the interview as I was on the red button, only heard the feed back from it. I'm getting the impression it was a banter situation End as I know I saw their arms up as the bike was going wonky on the live event.

I reckon as such a young lad he is happy he used the right deploy on such an event but one that was within the rules and applied to the situation he was in

[Neda_Turk]

...and so the thread trundles on trying to get the dirt at all costs.

Keep digging, I'm sure you'll get what you want in the end. If not with this member of Team GB, there are so many more to attack you achieve your own personal Golds in muck-racking.

This country is shameful the way it attacks it's own whilst every other country stands behind theirs.

We're British! It's what we do! Moan and try to sabotage ourselves.

[benjamini]

Originally Posted by *Sparkle*

I don't hate the Olympics or Germans, or anyone really! But I did raise an eyebrow when I watched that interview. It did come across as if he'd employed tactics, which sounded dodgy.

I'm glad to have it confirmed that wasn't the case and that it was legitimate mechanical failure, and it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask. I'm glad someone did, so it could be answered.

It was confirmed 3 mins after he stopped. It was discussed endlessly for hours on these forums. He would, could not have continued if it had not been a mechanical failure.

[swnymor1963]

Originally Posted by Neda_Turk

...and so the thread trundles on trying to get the dirt at all costs.

Keep digging, I'm sure you'll get what you want in the end. If not with this member of Team GB, there are so many more to attack you achieve your own personal Golds in muck-racking.

This country is shameful the way it attacks it's own whilst every other country stands behind theirs.

We're British! It's what we do! Moan and try to sabotage ourselves.

Rubbish....no ones knocking anyone....It was a fantastic victory but for the life of me I can`t think why Hindes said what he did.....and as I said in my first post the OP does have a point...It was a stupid comment to make...even if it was said in jest...although I think he probably only wanted to make a joke about the incident but that's not how it came across to the viewer.

[klunk]

Originally Posted by Neda_Turk

This country is shameful the way it attacks it's own whilst every other country stands behind theirs.

We're British! It's what we do! Moan and try to sabotage ourselves.

The British are supposed to pride themselves on fair play. Turning a blind eye to possible gamesmanship therefore seems like the opposite of Britishness to me, whether or not there was anything underhand going on in this case.
Perfectly legitimate to ask the question.

[Smudged]

Originally Posted by End-Em-All

This is indeed how it appeared. The problem is Hindes then made that comment during his interview which he has now backtracked from. Why he said what he said in the first place and why the BBC interviewer effectively made him admit unsporting behaviour is a mystery to me. Had it been athletes from another country in the same position, I can imagine there being an uproar.

I don't think it's a matter of backtracking but more explaining what he meant as his English isn't perfect. The commentators at the time said it was quick thinking to fall off rather than trying to carry on but as it was a mechanical failure I don't see that it really matters as they were always going to be allowed a restart.

[JamesC81]

its the kind of thing if you see the other country do you absolutely would complain and wonder why they havent been disqualified. The sports writer for The Times thinks this is a big story and we're likely to hear more about in days to come

[Mrs Teapot]

Originally Posted by JamesC81

its the kind of thing if you see the other country do you absolutely would complain and wonder why they havent been disqualified. The sports writer for The Times thinks this is a big story and we're likely to hear more about in days to come

That caters for the lust of certain people

[Doghouse Riley]

It's a non story, given the scrutiny of all the races which resulted in both the British and Chinese Women's teams penalised, the re-start would have been entirely within the rules. The Times journalist wasn't even at the velodrome.
He's just stirring it and no doubt you'll read it in his column on Friday if you can be bothered.

[Mikes Mike]

Originally Posted by JamesC81

its the kind of thing if you see the other country do you absolutely would complain and wonder why they havent been disqualified. The sports writer for The Times thinks this is a big story and we're likely to hear more about in days to come

Jill Douglas had an interesting day, she told the Germans that they had won after the Chinese broke the rules, then put our rider in a situation where he would admit to cheating!

Simple answer, she shouldn't of asked him such a question!

[End-Em-All]

Originally Posted by Smudged

I don't think it's a matter of backtracking but more explaining what he meant as his English isn't perfect. The commentators at the time said it was quick thinking to fall off rather than trying to carry on but as it was a mechanical failure I don't see that it really matters as they were always going to be allowed a restart.

A point I myself made on another thread when a poster mentioned Hindes had admitted falling down deliberately. It seemed like a clear mechanical failure to me and still does. It's Hindes' comments which has started this debate. Just thought I'd add my two-penneth.