[MrTaylor]

He always wins, so it would be cool if they could win sometime

Thoughts ?

[Granny McSmith]

Didn't they win in Victory of the Daleks?

[TheSilentFez]

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith

Didn't they win in Victory of the Daleks?

Just a wee bit.
They failed to detonate the person-bomb.

[Redneck Rounder]

From the moment a dalek escapes at the end of an episode, they already technically win because to the dismay of the doctor they build up again. So in a sense they win by angering the doctor with their existance, but they don't ever realistically win.

[The Alpha Gamer]

I'd love for them to properly win and the series end with them in control of Earth, the TARDIS destroyed and The Doctor on the run. With the next series being about him having to rebuild the TARDIS and try to fight off the Daleks.

[TEDR]

It depends how you define victory, I guess. They managed to get all but two of the Time Lords locked inside a [semi-permeable] time lock. That's pretty good, isn't it?

[sovietusername]

They kind of won in Genesis of the Daleks

[Tom Tit]

The trouble with the Daleks winning is that the Doctor would be dead. That kind of makes it unfeasible.

[kendoguk]

To be fair you could argue he has never won they are still around, yea he prevents them achieving their goals most of the time but that's about it.

[JAS84]

They actually managed to exterminate him in The Stolen Earth. If he hadn't had that spare hand, that would've been the end for the Tenth Doctor, and if they'd hit one of his hearts instead of his belly, he'd have been stone cold dead.

[Sophie ~Oohie~]

Originally Posted by Tom Tit

The trouble with the Daleks winning is that the Doctor would be dead. That kind of makes it unfeasible.

He could be defeated without actually being killed. Or perhaps they shoot him and he regenerates but it goes horribly wrong...

[The Alpha Gamer]

Originally Posted by Sophie ~Oohie~

He could be defeated without actually being killed. Or perhaps they shoot him and he regenerates but it goes horribly wrong...

I knew that was you before I even looked at your username XD

[TEDR]

Originally Posted by Sophie ~Oohie~

He could be defeated without actually being killed. Or perhaps they shoot him and he regenerates but it goes horribly wrong...

He regenerates into a Dalek?!?

[Stevief86]

Originally Posted by Sophie ~Oohie~

He could be defeated without actually being killed. Or perhaps they shoot him and he regenerates but it goes horribly wrong...

Or they push him into doing something so unspeakably bad that he becomes as bad as them.

[JCR]

There are a few Big Finishs where the Daleks win. In Patient Zero they kinda do and in To The Death they definitely win, that one ends with an apparently gone mad 8th Doctor talking to himself in the TARDIS.

[QuantumLeap]

They keep surviving, whilst the Doctor loses everything. I think that equals a massive win for the Daleks over the Doctor.

[dsrichard]

For me, it's not the fact the Doctor invariably wins that disappoints. It's the regular appearances of million of Daleks that get destroyed by the end of the episode. It's one thing to confound ther evil plans. It's another thing to regularly kill off legions of the things.

In this respect, I liked the ending of Victory because even though their evil plan was thwarted yet again by the Doctor they were able to scuttle off vowing to return. This is much more likely than the Doctor yet again killing them all off once and for all only for there to be a new army next time the ratings need a boost.

[codename_47]

Originally Posted by dsrichard

For me, it's not the fact the Doctor invariably wins that disappoints. It's the regular appearances of million of Daleks that get destroyed by the end of the episode. It's one thing to confound ther evil plans. It's another thing to regularly kill off legions of the things.

In this respect, I liked the ending of Victory because even though their evil plan was thwarted yet again by the Doctor they were able to scuttle off vowing to return. This is much more likely than the Doctor yet again killing them all off once and for all only for there to be a new army next time the ratings need a boost.

Actually I prefer it the other way, the villian having his plan foiled but escaping vowing to return even eviler and villianier is a bit cheesy, a bit 60s Batman/Master so I'd rather they don't get the chance to twirl their electronic mustaches and cackle about how "Next time, Doctor, we shall return, and you SHALL BEEEE EXTERMINATEDDDD!"

Ah yeah, like Davros, that's what I'm thinking of.
Poor old Davros, always ranting away to himself, how sad.

[Sophie ~Oohie~]

Originally Posted by Stevief86

Or they push him into doing something so unspeakably bad that he becomes as bad as them.

I can't really see that one happening

[inspector drake]

How's about a story where the Daleks actually succeed in wiping out the species of the day, with the Doctor being unable to save anyone, whilst the Daleks (all 50 million of them) are able to get away.

[johnnysaucepn]

Originally Posted by TheSilentFez

Just a wee bit.
They failed to detonate the person-bomb.

But then that wasn't their master plan - they didn't really care about what happened to Earth, the bomb was just their exit strategy. They forced the Doctor to divert his attention from stopping them - ergo, they won.

[Callous]

It does get annoying when they seem to be defeated so easily (that goes for most Doctor who baddies).

Personally I always thought it would have been a good idea for Davros to have killed Donna, taunt the doctor for a bit ..and have him escape (if not kill her then at least make him clearly seem responsible for her mindwipe/potential death if she remembers The Doctor etc). It's always good to have an undefeated villain/villain who inflicted serious damage floating as a constant dark cloud in the background.

I always thought Star Trek TNG/ Star Trek DS9 had the balance right. The Borg, the Cardassians and the Dominion were ever present forces who would often have the upper hand..and quite often the only way the heroes survived was to run away before they were wiped out.

it would be nice to see an enemy that really seemed to pose a constant threat.

[tinny]

No really both lose ,they lose ssomething ,daleks their soul,dr his home and people and part of himself really

ax

[Stevief86]

Originally Posted by Sophie ~Oohie~

I can't really see that one happening

I can. The Doctor's morality is often tested more so with the Daleks than with anyone else.

In New Who alone we saw 9's hatred and desire to kill what he thought was the last Dalek in "Dalek" He was also called "The Great Exterminator" by the Dalek Emperor in "The parting of the Ways"
Ten's speech about the Daleks always surviving in Evolution also hinted at a real desire for genocide. Davros showed him "His soul" in Journey's end and 10.5 committed Dalek genocide.

The fact is that the Doctor struggles to fight his desire to wipe the Daleks out of existence and as a character I could see him eventually giving in to that desire and becoming the same as them. Of course it is unlikely because that would be the end of the show as we know it (perhaps) but if we didn't have the rules and restraints of storytelling then he would have done it years ago. (Maybe)

[sovietusername]

Originally Posted by Stevief86

I can. The Doctor's morality is often tested more so with the Daleks than with anyone else.

In New Who alone we saw 9's hatred and desire to kill what he thought was the last Dalek in "Dalek" He was also called "The Great Exterminator" by the Dalek Emperor in "The parting of the Ways"
Ten's speech about the Daleks always surviving in Evolution also hinted at a real desire for genocide. Davros showed him "His soul" in Journey's end and 10.5 committed Dalek genocide.

The fact is that the Doctor struggles to fight his desire to wipe the Daleks out of existence and as a character I could see him eventually giving in to that desire and becoming the same as them. Of course it is unlikely because that would be the end of the show as we know it (perhaps) but if we didn't have the rules and restraints of storytelling then he would have done it years ago. (Maybe)

He already has wiped out the Daleks (at least he thought he had and he meant to) in the end of the time war.