[Jennyloo]

Originally Posted by Pixie Queen

I love cooking programmes on telly and I would LOVE Luke A to be a TV chef.

When I watched him showing Ashleigh what to do during the short clips we got of the "roast dinner" I was thinking "Bless".

I think Luke A could get a decent living out of cooking on telly. I'm sure he will get on the day time/late afternoon programmes and maybe even get his own regular stint on one. He might even get a guest stint on "This Morning"

Luke A has won awards for his cooking so I think a transgender chef that most people think of being a "nice bloke" will do ok being a TV Chef. I also think he will be savvy enough to keep his day time job.

It wouldnt matter if he didnt win then.

[Summer Kisses]

Originally Posted by BeeBumble

Wasn't he out as a 'lesbian' before that though.

Anyway they all lie during the auditions.

If he was born with male instincts he'd only interested in women.

There are obviously, male and female lesbians. Female lesbians don't particularly like male body parts.

Same as some gay blokes don't like female body parts.

[Jennyloo]

Originally Posted by diamond1

that's not lying

Of course it is.

[Jennyloo]

Originally Posted by VerucaSalts

If I remember correctly, I thought he was already male when he met his wife.

apparently he had breasts.

[VerucaSalts]

Originally Posted by Jennyloo

apparently he had breasts.

But he was identifying as male, which would make him a ladies man.

[JamesC81]

Originally Posted by Bananafish

Well this is a very potent form of it indeed.

And also plays on people's initial perceptions of 'nice'. Quiet and socially awkward doesn't automatically equal that. No one likes to admit they were tricked, because that's how you get hurt by people in real life. And Luke A couldn't possibly be someone who'd hurt anyone right? I expect he has, most people have. Quite often those who were victims themselves.

Not being real life helps you project onto people what you think they should be, with no danger of being hurt. Being able to spot the incredibly obvious signs will certainly be of assistance in everyday life though.

And not reward people with a large amount of money for lying to you either.

bravo you say the things i've been saying since probably around week two but you're so much better at putting it into words than i am.

i see aaron from last year and luke A this year as very similar people. The way they think of themselves as the good guys with better morals and principals. Aaron last year was also good at talking about his superior self but he was often displaying the bad things which he attributed to other people. Luke A is the same but takes it up several notches.

This year we got Luke A, the person who probably should have been elsewhere judging by the negative emotions he feels about himself, and isolating himself willingly but then complaining its others doing it to him. With the 'woe me' act we see each night he tries to enforce to the viewing public how much nicer he is and how 'hard done by' he's experienced in life and which he tells us the bb house has done to him there too.

However he loves nothing better than to speak badly behind people's backs. All the way back in that 2nd week I said he would eventually be caught out by it and with the family nominations its been brought up. He is always moaning about something which brings down the mood of everyone he is with. Adam was a much better hm before he hung out with Luke A, but now he himself has been a sulky moaner.

The way I watch bb I try not to get emotionally involved and see it more as a freak show or experiment so I think I have a more objective way of looking at the hms. Those that think more with their emotions is exactly the type of person that Luke A appeals to because of his often expressed 'poor me' routine which suckers them in thinking he's such a nice guy however it simply cannot work on me but it definitely has affected much of the viewing public. So there we have it - Aaron and Luke A, the masters of emotional blackmail

[Soppymum]

Originally Posted by south bank

And you never miss an opportunity to defend him! You don't have to post on every thread that is critical of him do you? What is it with you?

How bl**dy rude, its a forum we all have a right to type what we wish, who made you god ?

[JJ69]

Originally Posted by Cheddarcakes

He can join Eastenders as the shows new mega-bitch

Caroline's already done that

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by Jennyloo

Of course it is.

no it's not

you obviously don't understand what transgender is

[Bananafish]

What will torpedo Luke A, isn't the fact we now know he wants to be a TV Chef.

But we now know the REASON why he hated Luke S. Not insecurity, not envy, not paranoia. Just the fact Luke S was getting in the way of his extended audition in the Big Brother kitchen. Just that, nothing more. Simple selfishness but warped into him being persecuted to make YOU feel sorry for HIM. So now do you believe this sense of acceptance is really that important to him when it's used for something like that?

He's lied for weeks, he will lie till the day he leaves the house, and then lie some more. All that matters to Luke A is getting what Luke A wants, and he really doesn't mind what he has to say to get it.

Just like his audition in fact.

[Bananafish]

Originally Posted by JamesC81

bravo you say the things i've been saying since probably around week two but you're so much better at putting it into words than i am.

i see aaron from last year and luke A this year as very similar people. The way they think of themselves as the good guys with better morals and principals. Aaron last year was also good at talking about his superior self but he was often displaying the bad things which he attributed to other people. Luke A is the same but takes it up several notches.

This year we got Luke A, the person who probably should have been elsewhere judging by the negative emotions he feels about himself, and isolating himself willingly but then complaining its others doing it to him. With the 'woe me' act we see each night he tries to enforce to the viewing public how much nicer he is and how 'hard done by' he's experienced in life and which he tells us the bb house has done to him there too.

However he loves nothing better than to speak badly behind people's backs. All the way back in that 2nd week I said he would eventually be caught out by it and with the family nominations its been brought up. He is always moaning about something which brings down the mood of everyone he is with. Adam was a much better hm before he hung out with Luke A, but now he himself has been a sulky moaner.

The way I watch bb I try not to get emotionally involved and see it more as a freak show or experiment so I think I have a more objective way of looking at the hms. Those that think more with their emotions is exactly the type of person that Luke A appeals to because of his often expressed 'poor me' routine which suckers them in thinking he's such a nice guy however it simply cannot work on me but it definitely has affected much of the viewing public. So there we have it - Aaron and Luke A, the masters of emotional blackmail

Thanks!

People watching is my thing. Always been fascinated by why people do and say the things they do, my dad was the same I think that's where I get it from. And if you don't try and stay objective there is no point to watching people, you are quite correct

Aaron played on some of the same things, but I really put Luke A in another league all together. It's like a masterclass in emotional manipulation and lying. Aaron also attracted people who couldn't stand him, Luke A has conjured up something where he's seen as almost uncriticisable. There's a lot worse than dull, miserable or bitchy going on here.

Now the pieces are all together I've been making one last effort to explain him before less intensive things like wondering what Andy is up to that we aren't seeing.

The fact so many people have been so suckered in by Luke A is quite depressing, even more so with the way he has done it and the subject he is playing on. Forget the transgender community, he just isn't a very good example of a person.

[bunnyinthebox]

Originally Posted by Bananafish

He portrayed a character that isn't him, not in the slightest. He gave the impression he'd be what he thought BB wanted in the show. Rather bizarre if you were going in there wanting to be accepted for being yourself.

It's only when selected and in the house that tactics completely changed.

The last line of the first audition, "I will win even if it kills me". What better way than demanding the public accept you at every opportunity and rescue you from the terrible housemates that have been persecuting this poor innocent soul who never bitches and is being horribly portrayed as an arsehole!

Give me strength.

Wouldnt even give you a Banana (or a fish for that matter). So you dont think Deana wants to further her acting career, & Becky (drama student) or Luke S get a shot at 'The Bachelor', |I bet Ash would jump at a chance to be on TOWIE, etc etc etc...

[Bananafish]

Originally Posted by bunnyinthebox

Wouldnt even give you a Banana (or a fish for that matter). So you dont think Deana wants to further her acting career, & Becky (drama student) or Luke S get a shot at 'The Bachelor', |I bet Ash would jump at a chance to be on TOWIE, etc etc etc...

Try reading 2 posts up from yours.

Then try answering it without the use of deflection onto other housemates, like Luke A himself is so fond of.

[LIZALYNN]

Originally Posted by cobis

what is wrong with wanting to be a TV chef

I AGREE. I would enjoy seeing Luke A on TV again. He is a very calm person, knowlegable and also intelligent.
It would have been nice to have got some cooking tips off him whilst he was on BB but we didn't have live feed this year.
Luke A is one of the few HM's I wouldn't mind seeing again and I can imagine he could be quite a good TV presenter.

[MRSgotobed]

Originally Posted by LIZALYNN

I AGREE. I would enjoy seeing Luke A on TV again. He is a very calm person, knowlegable and also intelligent.
It would have been nice to have got some cooking tips off him whilst he was on BB but we didn't have live feed this year.
Luke A is one of the few HM's I wouldn't mind seeing again and I can imagine he could be quite a good TV presenter.

I would like to see Luke A as a TV chef, I agree LIZALYNN, I think he would be a good presenter. He has got quite a good sense of humour, he and Adam seem to have quite a laugh.

[L-chik]

Tbh the fact he was able to coach Ashleigh and Sara to cook Sunday roast for all the HM's shows me he is already a success at what he does and he did do extremely well with his penance I thought.

Obv the tv chef thing is his goal but I reckon he needs the acceptance of others to boost his confidence enough that he feels worthy If that makes sense??

[Addisonian]

Originally Posted by Bananafish

What will torpedo Luke A, isn't the fact we now know he wants to be a TV Chef.

But we now know the REASON why he hated Luke S. Not insecurity, not envy, not paranoia. Just the fact Luke S was getting in the way of his extended audition in the Big Brother kitchen. Just that, nothing more. Simple selfishness but warped into him being persecuted to make YOU feel sorry for HIM. So now do you believe this sense of acceptance is really that important to him when it's used for something like that?

He's lied for weeks, he will lie till the day he leaves the house, and then lie some more. All that matters to Luke A is getting what Luke A wants, and he really doesn't mind what he has to say to get it.

Just like his audition in fact.

Agree with this ^^^

[radiofree]

i'm sure none of the others are hoping bb leads to a career in the media.
must only be luke a.

[cressida100]

Originally Posted by MithMarr

I'd be happy for Luke to realise his dreams. Decent, honest, genuine bloke. I can't imagine how hard his life must have been and still is in some respects. He deserves only good in my opinion.

^^^^^^ this

[radiofree]

Originally Posted by Bananafish

Thanks!

People watching is my thing. Always been fascinated by why people do and say the things they do, my dad was the same I think that's where I get it from. And if you don't try and stay objective there is no point to watching people, you are quite correct

Aaron played on some of the same things, but I really put Luke A in another league all together. It's like a masterclass in emotional manipulation and lying. Aaron also attracted people who couldn't stand him, Luke A has conjured up something where he's seen as almost uncriticisable. There's a lot worse than dull, miserable or bitchy going on here.

Now the pieces are all together I've been making one last effort to explain him before less intensive things like wondering what Andy is up to that we aren't seeing.

The fact so many people have been so suckered in by Luke A is quite depressing, even more so with the way he has done it and the subject he is playing on. Forget the transgender community, he just isn't a very good example of a person.

except that you don't sound objective at all. that word suggests impartiality. calling someone 'not a very good example of a person', a 'masterclass in emotional manipulation and lying' isn't an objective conclusion from objective data. you just don't like him. that's fair enough but don't dress it up as some sort objective analysis.

[SterlingD]

I suspect that a large percentage of people who apply for BB have some media career aspirations. I certainly would attempt to capitalize on any notoriety BB brought.

[RandomSally]

Originally Posted by Bananafish

Watch the BOTS compilation of the first auditions.

You won't find that housemate in the house.

I think few of the housemates are what they wete in their first auditions.

Straw grasping.

[Enidan]

Originally Posted by Bananafish

And why he was so angry with Luke S getting control of the kitchen

Of course, it makes sense now. Sulking when he didn't get a look in with the shopping budget, stomping off in a huff when Becky suggested chicken and he wanted to get creative with a soup.
Maybe he should have been more honest about it and BB would have shown him cooking more in the highlights. He's going to be disappointed that they've only showed him cooking twice.

[Pontywarrior]

I'm not sure why this is being made an issue

Luke S would like a modelling job out of the experience, Becky is training to be an actress and has taken every opportunity to put herself and 'skills' on show.

I'm sure that most of the HM's if they were honest would like something more to come out of their BB experience.

What is the big deal here!

[Addisonian]

Originally Posted by Pontywarrior

I'm not sure why this is being made an issue

Luke S would like a modelling job out of the experience, Becky is training to be an actress and has taken every opportunity to put herself and 'skills' on show.

I'm sure that most of the HM's if they were honest would like something more to come out of their BB experience.

What is the big deal here!

It's the fact that Luke A has been unnecessarily vicious about different things in the house, mainly Luke S and his dominance in the kitchen.
At first, no-one really understood why it bothered Luke A that much. Now we know: the kitchen is his domain where he can demonstrate how good he would be as a TV chef. And he's not been able to do that to his full potential.
I don't care what anyone says, Luke A is one of the most self-aware housemates in there.