[derek500]

Originally Posted by swedish cook

Please explain, from what I can see the base platform (linux) is flexible, just about any content could technically be delivered over the broadband if a deal was in place and its now all about the content providers they can sign up. Do you see it differently ?

Yes. IPTV isn't as good as DSAT or cable. Just going to an EPG on Sky/Virgin and instantly getting high quality HD is something IPTV can't deliver.

This afternoon, I've been switching between Canoe slalom on Sky 3d, to Cricket on Sky Sports 1 HD and shooting on one of the BBC HD Olympic channels.

Even if deals were signed (and I don't expect Sky to give HD to YouView), it would take ages to switch between three channels with IPTV.

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by derek500

Yes. IPTV isn't as good as DSAT or cable. Just going to an EPG on Sky/Virgin and instantly getting high quality HD is something IPTV can't deliver.

This afternoon, I've been switching between Canoe slalom on Sky 3d, to Cricket on Sky Sports 1 HD and shooting on one of the BBC HD Olympic channels.

Even if deals were signed (and I don't expect Sky to give HD to YouView), it would take ages to switch between three channels with IPTV.

That's where your wrong IPTV can deliver HD and far more than what Sky can offer.

With speeds of 38MB and higher.

[MostynDS]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

That's where your wrong IPTV can deliver HD and far more than what Sky can offer.

With speeds of 38MB and higher.

Where is it then? Show us the far more...

Why do you keep posting this rubbish? You're getting laughed out of every forum you post in. Why persist?

[joshua_welby]

Originally Posted by MostynDS

Where is it then? Show us the far more...

Why do you keep posting this rubbish? You're getting laughed out of every forum you post in. Why persist?

IPTV can do far more than Sky like Apps on Smart TVs and Virgin's TiVo boxes are just two examples, they both use the Internet to stream the content to your house

Another example can be said for the IPTV Linear channels very cheap to broadcast and send out via the IPTV route

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by MostynDS

Where is it then? Show us the far more...

Why do you keep posting this rubbish? You're getting laughed out of every forum you post in. Why persist?

IPTV is a new technology and broadcasting channels over DSL and fibre is a new technology.

Its not rubbish perhaps you should do some research! IPTV is the future, far cheaper to launch a channel over IPTV too.

Why do you think Sky are using IPTV for Anyime and NOW etc???

Also if you were able to read you would note I said "Can"

[jamcambs]

An example:

http://www.satellitetvthailand.com/p...roducts_id=156

60 HD channels over IPTV and 240 SD channels.

http://www.triniticomm.com/hd_iptv_channels_hd.asp

Over 200 HD channels another example.

http://www.rapidtvnews.com/index.php...s-to-iptv.html

This shows what IPTV can offer.

[gother]

Originally Posted by derek500

Yes. IPTV isn't as good as DSAT or cable. Just going to an EPG on Sky/Virgin and instantly getting high quality HD is something IPTV can't deliver.

This afternoon, I've been switching between Canoe slalom on Sky 3d, to Cricket on Sky Sports 1 HD and shooting on one of the BBC HD Olympic channels.

Even if deals were signed (and I don't expect Sky to give HD to YouView), it would take ages to switch between three channels with IPTV.

I always thought that cable tv was IPTV. Ohwell learn something new everyday i guess.

[derek500]

Originally Posted by gother

I always thought that cable tv was IPTV. Ohwell learn something new everyday i guess.

The IP of IPTV is internet protocol. Cable TV isn't delivered via the internet.

[Dionbelmont]

Originally Posted by derek500

Yes. IPTV isn't as good as DSAT or cable. Just going to an EPG on Sky/Virgin and instantly getting high quality HD is something IPTV can't deliver.

This afternoon, I've been switching between Canoe slalom on Sky 3d, to Cricket on Sky Sports 1 HD and shooting on one of the BBC HD Olympic channels.

Even if deals were signed (and I don't expect Sky to give HD to YouView), it would take ages to switch between three channels with IPTV.

IPTV has been live in France for a couple of years, and switching between IPTV channels is as quick and easy as anything on Sky.

Even to the extent that when switching channels it's not apparent if the new HD channel being viewed is IPTV or terrestrial digital.

Whether the convuluted design by committee that Youview has become delivers this is another matter, but that should not mean IPTV deserves to be dismissed out of hand.

[gomezz]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

With speeds of 38MB and higher.

MB is not a measure of speed. I guess you mean Mbps?

[AyeJay]

Unless BT's YouView box has IPTV tuners it will be a massive PITA to change channels like it will be using 'TalkTalk Player' on their box.

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by gomezz

MB is not a measure of speed. I guess you mean Mbps?

Yes sorry I mean Mbps

[derek500]

Originally Posted by Dionbelmont

IPTV has been live in France for a couple of years, and switching between IPTV channels is as quick and easy as anything on Sky.

Even to the extent that when switching channels it's not apparent if the new HD channel being viewed is IPTV or terrestrial digital.

Sounds good. Can you watch one HD IPTV channel whilst watching another? Can you set them to record in advance and series link etc.?

[bramble]

Originally Posted by derek500

Can you watch one HD IPTV channel whilst watching another?

Dissociative identity disorder?

[Dionbelmont]

Originally Posted by derek500

Sounds good. Can you watch one HD IPTV channel whilst watching another? Can you set them to record in advance and series link etc.?

I have a standard Orange IPTV box in France. This provides 19 Terrestrial SD Channels, 4 Terrestrial HD Channels, Catchup TV (but more limited program choice than UK), and I'd estimate 400+ IPTV channels. Some channels are included in the base broadband bundle price, mostly French equivalents of UKTV channels, but some useful ones such as Disney, Sky / BBC News. Other channels can be added via subscription packages (bouquets), e.g. Canal+ channel equivalents of Sky Movies / Sky Sports etc. (5 Canal+ channels can also be added week by week on a pay as you go basis for 10euro a week), so I get my fix of Prem Football / movies that way. The box also provide VOD. The box was provided free with the broadband tv package (35 euro a month for 20mb ADSL).

The box operates in the same way as a HD Freeview box here, except it also has a small HD Drive that allows all channels including IPTV to be paused for up to about 45 mins.

Recording tv is odd to say the least .
You can rent a Hard drive (5 euro a month) that can be added to the box allowing 160gb of programs to be recorded. I have not gone for this option, so can't comment on how usable it is. I assume there are separate tuners for Terrestrial and IPTV so I guess you could record an IPTV channel whilst watching terrestrial, but I can't guarantee it.

The EPG on the box is a disaster, to the point where it is almost unusable. It is slow to navigate, and insists on showing what's on tonight as a default rather than what is on now. No Series link available as far as I know.
Generally EPGs in France even on normal tvs are not supported like in the UK, you are lucky if you see programs more than a few hours ahead let alone days.

The technology in the Orange TV Box though is 4 years old.

If as suggested in this thread Youview only allows access to IPTV via bespoke browsers, then this is a massive step back for simply watching normal tv day in day out.

[derek500]

Originally Posted by bramble

Dissociative identity disorder?

True!! Can you watch one whilst recording another?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by derek500

...Even if deals were signed (and I don't expect Sky to give HD to YouView),.

Originally Posted by AyeJay

Unless BT's YouView box has IPTV tuners it will be a massive PITA to change channels like it will be using 'TalkTalk Player' on their box.

This video uploaded last year and posted last month on Digital Spy by stej86 - shows subscription channels including Sky 1HD and Sky Sports 1 HD channels on BT. It's unclear as to whether they're integrated with the Freeview channels in the EPG though. Forward then pause on 1.24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...zPWtYNK74&NR=1

[derek500]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

This video uploaded last year and posted last month on Digital Spy by stej86 - shows subscription channels including Sky 1HD and Sky Sports 1 HD channels on BT.

Wishful marketing perhaps? 18 months later the new TalkTalk deal with Sky is SD only. Will BT get a better deal?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by derek500

Wishful marketing perhaps? 18 months later the new TalkTalk deal with Sky is SD only. Will BT get a better deal?

The video is quite intriguing! BT probably has a better bargaining position than TalkTalk so not impossible but I would not expect to see Sky Atlantic available outside Sky/NowTV.
The two companies do work together - Sky's forthcoming launch of broadband in Ireland is via BT Ireland.

[noise747]

Originally Posted by joshua_welby

IPTV can do far more than Sky like Apps on Smart TVs and Virgin's TiVo boxes are just two examples, they both use the Internet to stream the content to your house

Another example can be said for the IPTV Linear channels very cheap to broadcast and send out via the IPTV route

It may be able to do more, but it don't, if you view changes that is another thing.
who on earth wants apps on their TV? Before you know it apps will be on your washing machine,

[redrog]

Originally Posted by Dionbelmont

IPTV has been live in France for a couple of years, and switching between IPTV channels is as quick and easy as anything on Sky.

Even to the extent that when switching channels it's not apparent if the new HD channel being viewed is IPTV or terrestrial digital.

Whether the convuluted design by committee that Youview has become delivers this is another matter, but that should not mean IPTV deserves to be dismissed out of hand.

The intention certainly for Youview is to have IP channels in the guide alongside the usual DTT ones. However, I'm not sure if this extends to paid for channels such as Now TV, BT or TalkTalk. I suspect not unless there is a way to supress them if you don't subscribe to them, otherwise we will have 5 versions of Sky Movies from various providers clogging up the guide.

[ashjf]

STV player now available

[BigFoot87]

Originally Posted by noise747

It may be able to do more, but it don't, if you view changes that is another thing.
who on earth wants apps on their TV? Before you know it apps will be on your washing machine,

Doesn't mean you have to use them.

There's apps on my TiVo, I don't use them and they don't effect my TV viewing whatsoever.

[walmesdan]

Originally Posted by ashjf

STV player now available

No STV player on my YouView box...Do you have to be in Scotland to get it ..ie Scottish Postcode.

'Milkshake! 5' has been added in the past few days.

[winelight]

Originally Posted by walmesdan

'Milkshake! 5' has been added in the past few days.

Yes I noticed that yesterday, rather useful in fact if you have a 5-year-old!