[Theshane]

Originally Posted by aisey

Are you?

I'm sure these forums will improve during the day once the children return to school.
Then people who wish to contribute properly might comeback, rather than folk who stumble with sentances longer than four or five words.

[aisey]

Originally Posted by Theshane

I'm sure these forums will improve during the day once the children return to school.
Then people who wish to contribute properly might comeback, rather than folk who stumble with sentances longer than four or five words.

Don't put yourself down. And it's 'Sentence', by the way.

[Theshane]

Originally Posted by aisey

Don't put yourself down. And it's 'Sentence', by the way.

Carefull. That was almost contributing.
Do you actually have anything to say relating to PWL?

[g-bhxu]

Originally Posted by Sprite123

Very much similar to myself.
This Pop/disco/electro music of the 1980s along with Michael Jackson and Madonna was what inspired me.

Things were so different in them days compared to now where you could go to a music store like Hmv or Our Price in town and buy a Cassette, or Vinyl. Anybody who own Compact Discs then, you thought to yourself they had the cash to splash.

I used to regularly listen to Bruno Brookes on a Sunday and the top 40. So it was often a case of buying a blank TDK D90 or Sony UX tape and taping the playlists off the radio

I remember Atlantic 252 too back in the day

Do you remember Laser 558?

[aisey]

Only that, if you can't find any joy or any soul in not one single SAW song, it's a shame. They were never trying to be cool or credible. There's lots of other music for that, and it's quite possible to like that too. Though people on DS seem to struggle with that particular notion. Mostly it's just musical snobbery (of which we can all admit to). Really, music is the most subjective thing in the world. Apart from Cheryl Cole. That really is shit in a bin, and isn't fit to lick SAW's boots.

I think that's a few sentences. I'll count them later, while popping on a Big Fun album.

[Theshane]

Originally Posted by aisey

Only that, if you can't find any joy or any soul in not one single SAW song, it's a shame. They were never trying to be cool or credible. There's lots of other music for that, and it's quite possible to like that too. Though people on DS seem to struggle with that particular notion. Mostly it's just musical snobbery (of which we can all admit to). Really, music is the most subjective thing in the world. Apart from Cheryl Cole. That really is shit in a bin, and isn't fit to lick SAW's boots.

I think that's a few sentences. I'll count them later, while popping on a Big Fun album.

But Cheryl Cole is the exact same thing. Shit singer singing shit songs.
And well done. Music Snobbery.
Why is it the people who bring up musical snobbery are always the folk trying to make a case for the worst kind of shit music?
Hmm.

[aisey]

Originally Posted by Theshane

But Cheryl Cole is the exact same thing. Shit singer singing shit songs.
And well done. Music Snobbery.
Why is it the people who bring up musical snobbery are always the folk trying to make a case for the worst kind of shit music?
Hmm.

You don't really deserve more a sentence, if that's the best you can do. Go back to your dark place, and ponder your life. You don't sound very happy.

[Theshane]

Originally Posted by aisey

You don't really deserve more a sentence, if that's the best you can do. Go back to your dark place, and ponder your life. You don't sound very happy.

Ok, care to explain how Cheryl Cole is different from PWL?
I am ecstatically happy at the moment. Lunchtime.

[aisey]

Originally Posted by Theshane

Ok, care to explain how Cheryl Cole is different from PWL?
I am ecstatically happy at the moment. Lunchtime.

If you don't know, I'm not telling you. Anyway, one has wasted enough time on Mr Misery Guts. Now go and enjoy your lunch. I'm sure it will be very credible and artistically challenging. Maybe a scotch egg perhaps.

[VoodooChic]

Why are you both wasting energy and getting uptight with each other on a tedious spat, each trying to outwit one another. Why not argue via PM and leave everyone else to talk about the topic in hand.

[Theshane]

Originally Posted by aisey

If you don't know, I'm not telling you. Anyway, one has wasted enough time on Mr Misery Guts. Now go and enjoy your lunch. I'm sure it will be very credible and artistically challenging. Maybe a scotch egg perhaps.

Bravo a fine contribution. You've grasped how to use a forum obviously.
I don't see what credible and artistically challenging has to do with disliking PWL.
It's more a taste and not wasting my money on that crap thing.
Exactly the same as Cheryl Cole.

[aisey]

Originally Posted by Theshane

I don't see what credible and artistically challenging has to do with disliking PWL.

That's because you're not very bright. I'll leave that thought with you.


Good day :-)

[Theshane]

Originally Posted by aisey

That's because you're not very bright. I'll leave that thought with you.


Good day :-)

That's a statement not a thought.

[mevilhoney]

[quote=VoodooChic;60211333]Why are you both wasting energy and getting uptight with each other on a tedious spat, each trying to outwit one another. Why not argue via PM and leave everyone else to talk about the topic in hand.[/QUOTE]


There`s another thread in the TV section,some nice posts.

[Sprite123]

Originally Posted by Theshane

It's no different from the likes of Cheryl Cole. If anything, PWL is largely responsible for that sort of dreck seem like a good idea.
A production line of puppet folk who struggle to sing in tune, singing interchangeable songs that could be sung by anyone and the songs all sounded . There's a reason you can tell a PWL production from it s sound. Similarity, they only had three tune variations.
Joyless and souless. PWL songs just bring a vivid shade of grey to mind.

I'm finding it difficult to understand the point you're trying to make.

What I would say in relation to the type of beat, bass, and rhythm, there's a lot of similarities in the examples of Calvin Harris, and David Guetta.

I think at the moment, only Avicci seems to be distinctive in his recipe.

The mid 90s for example, had one theme of Eurodance where the beat and rhythm all sounded like for like. That's why it's a lot easier to mix the two together when played on Decks.

[keicar]

In fairness SAW did come up with some good songs, sadly all of them before 1987 had arrived, and before the likes of Kylie, Jason, Astley, Sonia and horror of horror the Reynolds Girls started churning out one size fits all pop.

Probably their best singles being both by Princess 'Say I'm Your Number One' (1985) and 'Keep On Loving You' (1986), both classy and not out of place with the classy black soul that was in the charts at the time.

The arrival of 1987 and SAWs dominance was the first nail in the coffin lid of pop, and the dire state of the charts today.

[VoodooChic]

Originally Posted by keicar

In fairness SAW did come up with some good songs, sadly all of them before 1987 had arrived, and before the likes of Kylie, Jason, Astley, Sonia and horror of horror the Reynolds Girls started churning out one size fits all pop.

Probably their best singles being both by Princess 'Say I'm Your Number One' (1985) and 'Keep On Loving You' (1986), both classy and not out of place with the classy black soul that was in the charts at the time.

The arrival of 1987 and SAWs dominance was the first nail in the coffin lid of pop, and the dire state of the charts today.

After The Love Has Gone is my favourite from Princess. 1987 was still strong with Mel & Kim (System is an awesome track) and Bananarama's Wow! album. I'm a huge Kylie fan, her 2 worst albums for me are the first 2 (but I still like them!) but 1990's Rhythm of Love, S/A/W really pulled off an awesome album (ok they only produced 7 of the 11 tracks but all are stellar)

[Theshane]

Originally Posted by Sprite123

I'm finding it difficult to understand the point you're trying to make.

What I would say in relation to the type of beat, bass, and rhythm, there's a lot of similarities in the examples of Calvin Harris, and David Guetta.

I think at the moment, only Avicci seems to be distinctive in his recipe.

The mid 90s for example, had one theme of Eurodance where the beat and rhythm all sounded like for like. That's why it's a lot easier to mix the two together when played on Decks.

The point I was trying to make is that all their stuff is so dull and samey.
They frequently swapped songs about between performers in their stable because the songs were so bland and lacking in personality and style they could have been sung by anyone. Hitchcock once said that actors were like cattle. In the PWL case singers were cattle too.
Even at the time, late 80's, their output was considered a joke and subjected to a great deal of ridicule. The preceding 24-25 years haven't changed anything about their music other than to change it for the worst because it sounds so dated.

Just as an example, check out There She Goes by The La's from 1988 and Nothing Can Divide Us by Jason Donovan from the same year. One of them sounds terribly dated. The other is a song by The La's

[mevilhoney]

Originally Posted by keicar

In fairness SAW did come up with some good songs, but all of them before 1987 had arrived, and before the likes of Kylie, Jason, Astley, Sonia and horror of horror the Reynolds Girls started churning out one size fits all pop.

Probably their best singles being both by Princess 'Say I'm Your Number One' (1985) and 'Keep On Loving You' (1986), both classy and not out of place with the classy black soul that was in the charts at the time.

The arrival of 1987 and SAWs dominance was the first nail in the coffin lid of pop, and the dire state of the charts today.

Pop wasn`t dead after 87 and SAW; okay music`s subjective but after 87 there was Bros,then Take That (and a whole slew of boybands) and then the Spice Girls,and the rise of house music obviously connecting back to SAW. I`d say that was a good period for pop,not one where SAW came along produced a formula that soon fizzled out and nobody bought anything remotely like it. Versions of SAW dominated the charts. Okay.to you,that`s probably a BAD thing. but even the classy black soul 89 onwards (Soul II Soul) are part of a devlopment that SAW were involved in.

[keicar]

Originally Posted by mevilhoney

Pop wasn`t dead after 87 and SAW; okay music`s subjective but after 87 there was Bros,then Take That (and a whole slew of boybands) and then the Spice Girls,.

From the acts you quote I think you have more or less proved my argument, pop died in 1987.

[soundstory]

Originally Posted by Sprite123

I know this might not be the right forum, but just wondered whether anybody else on here is watching this right now ?

Cheers

yeah you are right, it shouldn't be in the music forum

[VoodooChic]

Originally Posted by soundstory

yeah you are right, it shouldn't be in the music forum

We allow Cheryl Cole and LMFAO and whoever else makes the top 10 nowadays...so yes it belongs

[mevilhoney]

Originally Posted by keicar

From the acts you quote I think you have more or less proved my argument, pop died in 1987.

Bros isn`t good pop? If Michael Jackson,an obvious template,was great pop, I`d put Bros in there as a good take on his style,no mean feat. Take That isn`t good pop? The Spice Girls? Pop as in popular. I`d say after the late 70s/early 80s period,that late 80s was a peak of British pop. You`re obviously going to disagree,but what do you think is good pop music?

[keicar]

Originally Posted by mevilhoney

Bros isn`t good pop? If Michael Jackson,an obvious template,was great pop, I`d put Bros in there as a good take on his style,no mean feat. Take That isn`t good pop? The Spice Girls? Pop as in popular. I`d say after the late 70s/early 80s period,that late 80s was a peak of British pop. You`re obviously going to disagree,but what do you think is good pop music?

I do hope you are are joking about Bros they were absolute tosh, and lasted no longer than a disposable razor, and as for the the Spice Girls where do I start?

Yes Take That and Michael Jackson made/make good music, but they and a very few other artists/bands post 1987 are merely an oasis in a desert of mediocrity.

Before the mid 80's one could look at any Top 30 chart and the depth of talent, quality and variety was unmistakable, even class songs couldn't even make it into the Top 40.

Where are today's bands? Why don't shows like the X Factor allow for original song writing, music playing bands to participate? (I know the answer)

Kids today think that the likes of Leona Lewis, Alexandra Burke, Little Mix, David Guetta etc etc etc are the cutting edge, but where is their creativity? I feel sorry for them!

[Sprite123]

Originally Posted by keicar

I do hope you are are joking about Bros they were absolute tosh, and lasted no longer than a disposable razor, and as for the the Spice Girls where do I start?

Yes Take That and Michael Jackson made/make good music, but they and a very few other artists/bands post 1987 are merely an oasis in a desert of mediocrity.

Before the mid 80's one could look at any Top 30 chart and the depth of talent, quality and variety was unmistakable, even class songs couldn't even make it into the Top 40.

Where are today's bands? Why don't shows like the X Factor allow for original song writing, music playing bands to participate? (I know the answer)

Kids today think that the likes of Leona Lewis, Alexandra Burke, Little Mix, David Guetta etc etc etc are the cutting edge, but where is their creativity? I feel sorry for them!

I quite liked Bros actually!

On a little more serious note, I'm starting to appreciate where you're coming from.

Talent-based shows like the X Factor and BGT, are more to do with manipulation and tinkering to make someone appear to have the talent.

That could be counter-argued though, as there could be somebody with genuine talent, those maybe lacking in other areas.

If the up and coming generation of kids want to be in the music industry, then how can they be trialed?