[Heavenly]

Adam and Scott are my top 2, I hope it's not a double this week.

[lynwood3]

Originally Posted by What name??

I agree. But why not just say so rather than pretend it is a hard choice for him or he is torn, indecisive for days. Why be so fake to them and even in the diary room. Why pretend he is equally friends with everyone etc. It is clearly nonsense.

Quite.
Both Sara and Scott are, and always have been signed up members of the insider gang, who sidled up to the others when it suited them to avoid being nominated.

[lynzee]

Originally Posted by ChupaChupMad

Oh I know, this isn't an anti-Deana thread. I'm just trying to disprove/counter the posters who are claiming Scott does.

I completely agree with your post because I think Scott has been the one who has bitched behind their backs the least. They all have done so and I agree that he has at times too but certainly far less than any of the other HMs, including the outsiders.

[lynzee]

Originally Posted by ChupaChupMad

Oh I know, this isn't an anti-Deana thread. I'm just trying to disprove/counter the posters who are claiming Scott does.

I completely agree with your post because I think Scott has been the one who has bitched behind their backs the least. They all have done so and I agree that he has at times too but certainly far less than any of the other HMs, including the outsiders.

[AA2009]

Originally Posted by Trish123

But he nominated Deana and Adam ensuring perhaps one would not make the final? Harsh considering he was presenting himself as defending Deana against Ash. Ashleigh was rude to him yet he nominated Adam and Deana?? There's something not right here. It does not compute.
Scott has shocked me. I preferred him when he was honest with his preferences even though he chose to associate with the two bitchiest hm's in the house. Honesty is the best policy imo.

So who should he have nominated? He only had six housemate to choose from.

[chris222]

I think Scott maybe sticking up Deana now because he's apparently had 2 warnings for the things he's said about Deana, he did nominate her again this week, however i'd rather scott was in the final than Luke S, Ashleigh or Sara.

[Sunnydays]

Originally Posted by ChupaChupMad

Ok firstly, everyone in the house has bitched and gossiped, outsiders, floaters and insiders - Scott obviously included.

However, Scott has never abused the outsider's trust, he has never used what they say to him as ammunition with the insiders. He may speak about how something has annoying him to Becky etc. but he has never gone to the insiders and gossiped about what the outsiders have said to him - which is what Deana was accusing Scott of doing last night.

Just some examples:

When Deana was angry with Luke S and Ashleigh - accusing them of faking a relationship, Scott refused to repeat what was said. Even though he wasn't particularly close to the outsiders and his friends were grilling him for ages. Surely this shows some loyalty on Scott's behalf? He may get annoyed with housemates but he has never 'used' them or betrayed their trust to improve his position with fellow powerful housemates (like Becky did).

When Luke A and Becky had that argument, Scott refused to support Becky. Even when Ashleigh and Becky cornered him later in the sitting room he refused to accept Becky was in the right and didn't want to take sides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MONmSvqumyc&feature=plcp

Finally we have the last couple of HL shows where Scott has defended Deana against Ashleigh - neither times was Deana present, so getting his friend angry by disagreeing is hardly good gameplaying.

So yeah people accuse Scott of all these tactical and backstabbing actions concerning the outsiders, and yes he does bitch when he is annoyed (like everyone else). However he has never betrayed a housemate's trust. He has never done an Ashleigh or a Becky and basically gathered information from an outsider to then go and immediately relay it to his friends and the other insiders.

I just wanted to try and clear up/disprove accusations that Scott is just using the outsiders etc. He is no white knight, having done his fair share of bitching and gossiping, but he doesn't abuse his relationship with other housemates to try and gain power in terms of the game and his position.

(Sorry I'm very inarticulate at writing, but thanks for reading it if you managed to )

Also I struggled to think of a title that summed up what I meant. There may not have been accusations that he 'betrayed' the outsiders per say, but I'm sure you get what I mean. Please don't just nit pick that title.

I agree with what you say and noticed it myself........when Deana said that he was sitting with them and reporting back to the others and vice versa, I though........No Deana, you have got it wrong...........He has been mostly inoffensive and a fence sitter.........but I think maybe it's because he wants to join in with all of them and is disappointed with the house divide.......

I think most of them will be disappointed that it has not been much fun to be had in that house this year....

[Vesna]

Originally Posted by ChupaChupMad

Exactly. Please, someone who believes Scott has been gameplaying the whole time, can they explain how this was in anyway beneficial for him?

He had an argument with an ally when the person they were talking about wasn't even present - meaning he couldn't even expect Deana to be grateful for Scott's defence and then not nominate him.

It is not good tactics to argue with someone the day before nominations when it doesn't benefit you in the slightest.

I don't see what problem you have. Scott has played the Tom gameplan. Get with a big character female and hide under her skirts so no one notices you. No one notices you, no one nominates you, you aren't up for eviction so you make it to the final.

Originally Posted by Reality Sucks

I don't agree - he's bitched about Becky, Aaron and Luke S too. Everybody talks about everybody in normal life, never mind in a house where there's not much else to do. His bitching is not about taking sides or ganging up on people, unlike Ashleigh and Becky who are quick to find a target and then become relentless in their recruitment of others to their point of view. Scott merely complains about people's annoying habits, but he doesn't hold grudges.

You seem to have overlooked his and Ashleigh's bitch that was the nastiest one of the entire series. It had a distinct racist slant, and was dripping with hatred of Indian culture in general. I will not overlook it, it really showed just what a lowlife Scott could be. My father owned a takeaway and you know all "those" people ate with their hands.

Originally Posted by yougotthelolly

But that's my point. To defend Deana against Ashleigh and then nominate her makes no sense if he is gameplaying. All it does is make Ashleigh annoyed with him. I think Scott is his own man and says what he feels at the time - regardless of tactics. When he is annoyed with someone he talks about it, when he disagrees he argues. When he is unsure or whatever he refuses to take sides.

Please read the OP, they are not claiming Scott doesn't bitch etc. (He obviously has done). They are saying he doesn't backstab and abuse the outsiders's trust. Which Deana thought he had done on last night's show.

All he did was backstab others behind their backs. He never once tried to stop the bitching nor has he ever walked OUT on the Insiders bitching. Can't have it both ways. If he hates bitching why did he spend 2 months doing it? If he was his own man then why did he follow orders in the face to face noms? Caroline told him to nominate Lauren and Conor told him to nominate Deana and that is exactly what he did. He's also nommed only outsiders since then. So if he was his own man, he's now just a tool. IMO, of course.

Originally Posted by auntysplat

Did he not vote for Deana when it was Face-Face, Scott and Sara are playing their own sly game,Wannerbees both of them,

yes he did and has done ever since.


And to the people who think it's normal or usual to spend time bitching about others, it's not. It's a petty stupid waste of time. People with low iq engage in it regularly because they haven't the brains to discuss subjects like politics or science. Scott had the brains but rather than seek out the others in the house with similar intelligence he spent all his time with Caroline and Becky. His CHOICE. He's a nice enough guy but he's not been a very nice person in the house, he's been the most warned for a reason. Guess one could say he had a "slapability" factor. Oh wait that's what he said about Deana, which was a follow on from when he said he wanted to slap Becky. Both of which got him a warning but didn't make it to HL's. He's been a very lucky hm but his luck has run out. IMO.

[Trish123]

Originally Posted by AA2009

So who should he have nominated? He only had six housemate to choose from.

Sara and Ashleigh both have been nasty to him this week and Sara nominated him as a result. It was the slating from Sara's mother that actually made him not nominate imo. If he had nominated Sara it would appear sour grapes. Ash spoke to him like pooh. I would respect him had he nominated those two. He had just cause imo.

[roses are red]

Good post, Deana should read that!

[1fab]

When Deana was angry with Luke S and Ashleigh - accusing them of faking a relationship, Scott refused to repeat what was said. Even though he wasn't particularly close to the outsiders and his friends were grilling him for ages.

I remember it well, and I didn't think he came out of it well. He squirmed and writhed and said he didn't want to talk about it, yet his body language told them all they needed to know. He didn't need to say anything at all - he could have said he heard nothing, but no, he was quite happy to get the benefit of stirring up paranoia, while at the same time appearing not to be a gossip. Best of both worlds is what he's always managed to achieve, at the cost of any real loyalty.

[1fab]

Originally Posted by Trish123

Sara and Ashleigh both have been nasty to him this week and Sara nominated him as a result. It was the slating from Sara's mother that actually made him not nominate imo. If he had nominated Sara it would appear sour grapes. Ash spoke to him like pooh. I would respect him had he nominated those two. He had just cause imo.

In the end, he was never going to have the courage of his convictions - so he went for the outsiders, to protect his own skin, or so he thought.

[angelclaire]

Originally Posted by ChupaChupMad

Ok firstly, everyone in the house has bitched and gossiped, outsiders, floaters and insiders - Scott obviously included.



Also I struggled to think of a title that summed up what I meant. There may not have been accusations that he 'betrayed' the outsiders per say, but I'm sure you get what I mean. Please don't just nit pick that title.

BLESS YOU!! A well thought out and inciteful post, haven't read the thread yet but really hope u don't get any stick, whether people agree or not.

[Trish123]

Originally Posted by Heavenly

Adam and Scott are my top 2, I hope it's not a double this week.

It's about time we found out tbh. This is just another opportunity for a conspiracy theory or manipulation by BB .
I don't like it one bit.

[1fab]

Originally Posted by angelclaire

BLESS YOU!! A well thought out and inciteful post, haven't read the thread yet but really hope u don't get any stick, whether people agree or not.

Insightful? Not sure. It's quite subjective really.

[angelclaire]

Originally Posted by 1fab

Insightful? Not sure. It's quite subjective really.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. In my opinion it IS inciteful cos its made me consider Scott from a different view point.

[1fab]

Originally Posted by angelclaire

The two aren't mutually exclusive. In my opinion it IS inciteful cos its made me consider Scott from a different view point.

Probably more insightful than inciteful then?

[ChupaChupMad]

Originally Posted by Trish123

Sara and Ashleigh both have been nasty to him this week and Sara nominated him as a result. It was the slating from Sara's mother that actually made him not nominate imo. If he had nominated Sara it would appear sour grapes. Ash spoke to him like pooh. I would respect him had he nominated those two. He had just cause imo.

Definitely. From an outside perspective Scott should have nominated Ashleigh and Sara, but he does seem to value his friendships and the fact they have been closest to him (out of those left) clearly carried some weight. In his reasons he was originally going to nominate Sara over Deana but he changed his mind because Sara was his friend.

He should have just gone with it, because clearly Sara did not mind nominating him. But I think it's unfair to trash (others not you) the fact he nominated Adam and Deana, because there are so few HMs left they have to go with someone. Just like the outsiders went for two insiders/floater (they may like Scott but he there was only 3 options) Scott went with the two he is least close to.

[Reality Sucks]

Originally Posted by lynwood3

Deana is forming an opinion on what she sees.
She doesn't have the benefit of hearing his conversations with Ashleigh when she is not there.
It is not surprising that she thinks he is playing both sides IMO

Well she's making an assumption that isn't true alll the same. And just because Deana can do no wrong in some people's eyes, doesn't mean that she doesn't make mistakes (just like us mere mortals)

Basically she is doing Scott a disservice in assuming that he's bitching about them behind their backs.

[GibsonSG]

Can't be bothered to read all of the OP's original thoughts. Way too long winded for me. Right here goes! Scott never was with the outsiders so how could he betray them, and although you seem to care I couldn't give a damn as he is no more than scenery.

[Ida_Raine]

I felt so sorry for Scott during his nomination. He didn't nominate Sara yet she nommed him!

I knew he'd never nom Luke A or Ashleigh, he gets along very well with both of them. Had he had a choice he probably would have preferred to nom Luke S.