[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by Nosnikrapl

I agree a low point. My Dad still goes on about the commercialisation of it. Folks in this country moan about how commercialised London 2012 is but I do think they have done the best they can given that they need sponsors to make the Olympics work. I think for us having them on BBC helps as we are not bombarded with flippin adverts all the time.

In what way do you perceive London 2012 to be more commercialised than previous games? If anything, it's the London Games that have finally questioned the logic of having sponsors like McDonalds and Coca-Cola (long term Sponsors) supporting a sports event!

[p2bab]

Originally Posted by wizzywick

Sometimes, in life, it's not always about money. The UK will make a return on the Olympics. I have no idea why there are so many who spend their time worrying about money all the time. In the UK it is unlikely you will live in a faeces contaminated street, you will receive excellent emergency medical treatment if needed, you will probably not go hungry, you have a TV to watch, a soft bed to sleep in.

Sometimes, just sometimes, a country needs to advertise itself to the world. It needs to declare "Look we're still here and we're perfectly OK". The Olympic Games have been great. The overwhelming public support has phenomenal. The patriotism around the country has been emotionally draining and the rest of the world have suddenly taken interest in us. Sometimes, that is far more important than just money.

The UK never went away. I don't understand this "poor us, we're still here" sentimentality.

[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by p2bab

The UK never went away. I don't understand this "poor us, we're still here" sentimentality.

I never said that.

However, the UK did need to wake up and reignite itself again. The Olympic Games was a brilliant way of advertising the country. That's why I think London will inspire less inclined cities to bid for the games in future.

[Nosnikrapl]

Originally Posted by wizzywick

In what way do you perceive London 2012 to be more commercialised than previous games? If anything, it's the London Games that have finally questioned the logic of having sponsors like McDonalds and Coca-Cola (long term Sponsors) supporting a sports event!

Err... I think you need to read what is said rather than jump on a bandwagon. You will see I was responding to posts about the 1996 games in USA. As for London you would have to be a hermit not to have heard the media banging on
about the commercialisation & I actually said they had done the best they could given they needed sponsors to make the games work.

[luke75b]

Originally Posted by eirpoc

Surely the US will bid... New York's time to step up to the mark me thinks.

Now that the USOC and IOC seem to have ironed out their revenue sharing issues, I think whether the USOC bids on 2024 will depend upon whether they want to instead focus on trying to land the 2026 Winter Olympics (since they'd have a good shot with 2022 likely to go to Europe) or try for the Summer Games (though I can't see NYC or Chicago bidding again--maybe San Francisco?

[MARTYM8]

It all depends on who gets the 2020 games.

If its Madrid - or even Istanbul - then 2024 won't be in Europe. If its Tokyo then who can say - Paris 2024 or Madrid 2024 it might well be.

But it may well be Africa's time - if Cape Town is interested!

[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by Nosnikrapl

Err... I think you need to read what is said rather than jump on a bandwagon. You will see I was responding to posts about the 1996 games in USA. As for London you would have to be a hermit not to have heard the media banging on
about the commercialisation & I actually said they had done the best they could given they needed sponsors to make the games work.

I wasn't having a go at you. In the UK the commercialisation of the Games has indeed been debated but during the Games itself, (i.e the actual TV broadcasts) there are no signs of Commercialisation at all. It is solely about the Games. But the Olympic games became commercialised in 1984 when big US companies became involved. Since then each Olympics has got bigger and bigger with possibly Beijing being the most commercialised games in history!

[Nosnikrapl]

Originally Posted by p2bab

The UK never went away. I don't understand this "poor us, we're still here" sentimentality.

Totally agree. Mind you if you listen to the media especially BBC you would think the end is nigh. They thrive on negativity. They struggled when we had the brilliant opening ceremony but were happy again when they could moan about empty seats/transport/lack of medals. Then the medals started. transport is working & much of London is not empty. (West End theatres attendance up 20%). They seem to have found something else the last couple of days to moan about I see - legacy.

Until something is done & only the public can do it by telling the media to shut the f..k up when they go on a doom fest.

[deadbeat hero]

If I was a betting man I'd go for Tokyo 2020 & Paris 2024.

[p2bab]

A US city will definitely host either '24 or '28.

[treme]

Originally Posted by deadbeat hero

If I was a betting man I'd go for Tokyo 2020 & Paris 2024.

I've just declared my nod of approval for Tokyo in the other thread. It would be a fantastic city and country for an Olympics.

[jy1541]

I'd like to see South Africa, France or India as hosts.

To be honest, I don't think the US should have it for a long time. They've had it twice since 1980, four times if you include the Winter Olympics. Yes, it'll have been 28 years since they had it in 2024, but it'll be 100 years for France, 52 for Germany, 64 for Italy, etc.

[cheesy_pasty]

I think Istanbul 2020 then NYC 2024.

It would be nice for Paris to get them in 2024 for obvious reasons, but I don't see it happening.

[Pumping Iron]

Singapore, Brooklynboy has convinced me lol.

[footygirl]

What about Canada - last time they held the games was 76 in Montreal

[Sabre92]

I think Istanbul 2020 and somewhere in Africa in 2024, possibly Cape Town or Johannesburg

[hallstar]

As for 2020 I think one thing that might hurt Tokyo's bid is the 2018 Winter games been in South Korea so I think it will be Istanbul will get that.

Looking at the list of potential bids for 2024 I would like to see it in San Francisco which I think would be a good host. I hope it does not going to anywhere where the heat will be unbearable at this time of year like Doha / Dubai or Dallas.

[Mystical123]

Originally Posted by penguinperson

I'd like Istanbul to get it in 2020. I can imagine North America will be strong for 2024 and maybe an African games in 2028.

I agree, though I think it'll be Chicago 2024 rather than New York, then Johannesburg/Cape Town 2028, with Tokyo and Paris getting their turns at hosting the Games again after that.

[p2bab]

Originally Posted by footygirl

What about Canada - last time they held the games was 76 in Montreal

But they got Vancouver two years ago.

[The Mc]

Originally Posted by Meoqui

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Summer_Olympics

Would like to see Toronto, but reckon USA will get it because by then they won't have had it for quite a long time.

1996 wasn't that long ago.......

[The Turk]

Originally Posted by elena

I think it will probably go to New York or Chicago. I wouldn't be shocked if 2020 went to Istanbul, thus making two games in relatively 'new' territory in a row, and by that time it will be both the USA's 'turn' and also time for the games to perhaps return to a country that's had them before (NYC bid for 2012 and has never had the games before - I think it's very possible it might end up there for the next US Olympics).

EDIT: Just realised, neither has Chicago... but I think NYC would probably 'excite' the IOC more at the right time..

Why didn't NYC get it for 2012? I remember at the time they were never one of the serious contenders. It was always seen as coming down to either Paris or London. You'd think a city like NYC would be the favourite, not an outsider.

[The Mc]

I would now like to see a Scandinavian country get the summer Olympics.....Oslo, Stockholm or Copenhagen if any of them could afford it....

[p2bab]

Originally Posted by The Mc

I would now like to see a Scandinavian country get the summer Olympics.....Oslo, Stockholm or Copenhagen if any of them could afford it....

Oslo is possibly bidding for Winter '22.

[elena]

Originally Posted by The Turk

Why didn't NYC get it for 2012? I remember at the time they were never one of the serious contenders. It was always seen as coming down to either Paris or London. You'd think a city like NYC would be the favourite, not an outsider.

As far as I recall, they had serious problems in demonstrating where their stadium would go: they proposed a certain site and said it was going ahead whether the Olympics went through or not; but the deal collapsed before the vote and they had to quickly come up with a plan B. I think it was a lack of clear planning that killed off the NYC bid. Plus there was a feeling it would only be 10 years since Salt Lake, the Winter Olympics were going to be in North America in 2010, and there was, for whatever reason, a big feeling it was Europe's "turn" for the Summer Games (despite Athens being in 2004), so that all added up.

[cloudymountain]

The West will find it very hard to hold another Olympics for the forseeable future as finances take its toll. Almost all Western economies are in major debt and on the verge of a sovereign debt crisis. A major spending on what is seen as something frivolous will be politically and socially unacceptable.

Look at Rome, they had to withdraw the bid to host 2020 olympics because of financial conditions.

My guess is Istanbul,somewhere in the Middle east or perhaps a rich Asian country like Singapore/Malaysia combined