[redhatmatt]

Originally Posted by chopoff

There won't be two versions.

The 'multimedia whizzyness' is software, it isn't hardware.

This is a one-off upfront cost to Microsoft, foregoing updates.

It doesn't require any additional hardware which impacts the unit cost.

It is like Windows coming with Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer. There isn't a cheaper version without them.

As for cable - for once I agree with Pachter. Given the leaked doc mentions DVR capabilities, and to be the only box in the living room it needs to replace your TV delivery box.

That is obviously a US thing, and anywhere else that cable has a much better coverage.

If they did it in the UK I'd expect it to be with BT Vision.

If it was done in the UK it would be done with either freeview or Freesat capability both BT vision, and Sky digital lock their services down and manufacture their own boxes.

[BrightSparks]

Well if they did use BT then my towns screwed cos we dont have BT phone lines!! ;-(

[Conroy]

Originally Posted by Gormond

The 360 came out in the US at $300 and is not $200. My guess is that it will drop to $150 RRP (£100 here) when the next Xbox is released.

Without having anything confirmed about the next Xbox no one can say if it's worth buying at launch.

The Core version launched at $299. The Premium version (with the 20GB HDD) launched at $399.

[bob2005]

Think the next xbox will be £300 at launch can't see it being cheaper than that.

[apartridge7]

OMG this sounds amazing. I cant wait. I love my 360 dont get me wrong but next gen gaming is going to be siiiick!

[jjesso123]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...go-devkit-leak

digitalfoundry have a source claiming the dev kit that was put on sale for $10,000 claiming to be that of durango (code name for the next Xbox ). Is actually real, it was first believed to be a fake.

Now if digitalfoundrys source is to believed, Durango will one heck of machine. Having an Intel 8 core CPU and a GPU from Nvidia and 4-6GB of ram. Contradicting previous rumours AMD had snapped all next gen CPU/GPU deals minus Nintendo's CPU.

Now for those wondering why alpha kits would be used now, well the alpha kits for x360 shown here
http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/4/xbo...non4macned.jpg
where used for while even after the 360 was announced.

[chopoff]

Not sure if there's much to be read into it, but Microsoft have recently posted a lot of new job postings related to hardware.

Jobs for people whose job is to come up with financial information in relating to sourcing materials and production etc as well as DFT/DFM engineers who make sure that the end product is good for testing and good for manufacturing.

Normally they post jobs and just say it is for the IEB branch, which could mean that it might be for Surface, but these jobs specifically mention the Xbox, and normally it will say Xbox 360, but these just say 'the Xbox console'...

Now the 360 doesn't need those kinds of employees. Only something big would need more manpower.

And if they're seeking people to help with certification and the manufacturing process now, we can't be too far from a new console. Even if it is a new 360 SKU.

[jjesso123]

"Over the next 18 months Microsoft will release new versions of all of our most significant products including Windows (Client, Server, Phone and Azure), Office and Xbox, along with completely new offerings like Microsoft Surface," reads the job advert.

https://careers.microsoft.com/jobdetails.aspx?jid=86318

Now considering MS would not release a console, in first of half a year, I would say it looking more and more likely we are going to see durango in 2013 fall.

[Gormond]

Originally Posted by jjesso123

https://careers.microsoft.com/jobdetails.aspx?jid=86318

Now considering MS would not release a console, in first of half a year, I would say it looking more and more likely we are going to see durango in 2013 fall.

Lol I agree, going by that we will see a new Xbox around this time next year, no doubt it will be heavily demoed at next years E3.

[redhatmatt]

Sounds good, but 8 times as powerful is not really that amazing considering the age of the original xbox 360, Most console generation leaps are about a factor of 10, I was hoping the xbox 720 would be a factor of 10-15 times as powerful. I guess we are in the process of diminishing returns with moores law.

[Rich_L]

This job is no longer available.

Cobblers, I had my name on it too

[jjesso123]

Originally Posted by Gormond

Lol I agree, going by that we will see a new Xbox around this time next year, no doubt it will be heavily demoed at next years E3.

I think could see an announcement in the next few months, as we know MS are preferring to show on there own events, Surface, even the Xbox 360 was shown at on MTV. I even would say VGA is possibility. I just hope if they do announce in the coming months, come E3 they are heavily focused on the gaming aspect.

[chopoff]

Don't forget though, it isn't just about the specs.

It might be 8x as 'powerful', but could still produce 20x 'better' graphics by way of how it all works and utilises the power available.

I hope they don't show it too early, I'll get bored otherwise. I mean look at the Wii U, they announced that like what, was it a year in advance of the final reveal?

[redhatmatt]

Originally Posted by chopoff

Don't forget though, it isn't just about the specs.

It might be 8x as 'powerful', but could still produce 20x 'better' graphics by way of how it all works and utilises the power available.

I hope they don't show it too early, I'll get bored otherwise. I mean look at the Wii U, they announced that like what, was it a year in advance of the final reveal?

If anything, the console specs are going to be less than 8X better graphics and gameplay. As improvements in power produce diminishing returns in graphical change. The leap between the PS2 - PS3 was one of the biggest leaps in inter-generational console power, But that did not produce the same graphical leap as there was between the PSOne to PS2, or PSone to Megadrive. Infact some PS2 games, when emulated on a 60gb PS3 (like MGS3) looked better than Launch PS3 games.

Also the new Xbox operating system, if it has cable/ Freeview/Freesat capability built in is going to be performing a lot more background tasks than previous console generations and that is going to reduce the graphical change still further.

[tysonstorm]

8x more powerful........well forget the RRoD when the 720 pops it will be like a small tactical nuke going off. lol

I can't wait for the new xbox just to see how many end up RRoD and bursting into flames and watch as M$ frantically try to downplay the problem like they did with the 360.

[Gormond]

Originally Posted by tysonstorm

8x more powerful........well forget the RRoD when the 720 pops it will be like a small tactical nuke going off. lol

I can't wait for the new xbox just to see how many end up RRoD and bursting into flames and watch as M$ frantically try to downplay the problem like they did with the 360.

Modern processors are far more efficient, my old Core2Duo gets a lot hotter than my current Ivy Bridge Core i5. The same can be said for modern graphics cards.

I expect MS have learned a lot from the 360 and the reliability of the 720 will be much better.

Also the is no way in hell it will be called 720, that would make no sence.

[redhatmatt]

Since arm processors are mostly designed for mobile devices, their heat and power consumption is going to be lower than that of power based processors. Most of the rrod and ylod was caused by cheap solder in the manufacturing process and not the processors failing.

[Gormond]

Originally Posted by redhatmatt

Since arm processors are mostly designed for mobile devices, their heat and power consumption is going to be lower than that of power based processors. Most of the rrod and ylod was caused by cheap solder in the manufacturing process and not the processors failing.

One of the major causes was said to be overheating caused by the inhouse GPU, surprisingly when MS got someone else (likely ATI) to redesign the GPU there was far less RRODs - http://eetimes.com/electronics-news/...box-360-recall.

I can't see MS going with ARM chips as they just aren't fast enough, my guess is it will be a custom 22nm chip from Intel.

[delta39]

cloud base gaming.that'll stop the piracy

[chopoff]

Originally Posted by Gormond

One of the major causes was said to be overheating caused by the inhouse GPU, surprisingly when MS got someone else (likely ATI) to redesign the GPU there was far less RRODs - http://eetimes.com/electronics-news/...box-360-recall.

I can't see MS going with ARM chips as they just aren't fast enough, my guess is it will be a custom 22nm chip from Intel.

It will have both according to the leaked roadmap.

An ARM processor for the 'always-on' part of the console, which could mean the TV side, the dashboard side.

Then you 'switch' to the 'proper' processor for the gaming.

[tysonstorm]

Originally Posted by Gormond

Modern processors are far more efficient, my old Core2Duo gets a lot hotter than my current Ivy Bridge Core i5. The same can be said for modern graphics cards.

I expect MS have learned a lot from the 360 and the reliability of the 720 will be much better.

Also the is no way in hell it will be called 720, that would make no sence.

Well I dare say I'll be getting one so I hope you're right.

[Andy2]

Originally Posted by tysonstorm

8x more powerful........well forget the RRoD when the 720 pops it will be like a small tactical nuke going off. lol

I can't wait for the new xbox just to see how many end up RRoD and bursting into flames and watch as M$ frantically try to downplay the problem like they did with the 360.

Nah, the 360 was rushed out and the cooling was half-arsed to say the least. They won't make that mistake again.

[jjesso123]

Xbox durango dev kit was just suposedly sold on ebay for 20 grand. Now given ms did not take auction down (dev kits are property of ms) its unlikely to be real, however the images did look real, however the supposed intel cpu goes against previous rumours.

[redhatmatt]

Originally Posted by jjesso123

Xbox durango dev kit was just suposedly sold on ebay for 20 grand. Now given ms did not take auction down (dev kits are property of ms) its unlikely to be real, however the images did look real, however the supposed intel cpu goes against previous rumours.

If MS took it down it would have confirmed its legitimacy.

[jjesso123]

Originally Posted by redhatmatt

If MS took it down it would have confirmed its legitimacy.

It's lose lose situation, however it would be far more damage having the machine out their.

You've also got remember MS knows it's no secret development kits are out their, we've had job posting for game studios, job posting on their official website, I've personally spoken to developers working on next gen projects.. This is theft so the idea MS stealthy bought it, let it get sold does not sound right. Now at first, It looked legit all the leaks etc, so I don't know what to make of it really.

If true though, I mean this guy is stupidest person in the world, If he got it then the chances are, he works/worked in the industry well that career is totally gone.