[seansnotmyname@]

I do believe that KP is not the only one to blame here, the leaks from ECB are/were rephrehensible, and as I say I would dearly love Giles Clarke to be shown the door. More of a problem then KP. I also am rather disgusted by the Saffies, KPs so-called friends clearly told someone about the texts, and it was mentioned to the press. They're now saying it wasn't a big deal, but texts were sent. Well if it's not a big deal, why do we all need to know. Funny they didn't announce that before yesterdays meetings.

So it seems KP is friendless everywhere, as he has been with previous times with Natal, Hampshire and Notts, and we all know his emnity with Graeme Smith. I really do think he's probably not easy to get along with.

[ACU]

Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@

I do believe that KP is not the only one to blame here, the leaks from ECB are/were rephrehensible, and as I say I would dearly love Giles Clarke to be shown the door. More of a problem then KP. I also am rather disgusted by the Saffies, KPs so-called friends clearly told someone about the texts, and it was mentioned to the press. They're now saying it wasn't a big deal, but texts were sent. Well if it's not a big deal, why do we all need to know. Funny they didn't announce that before yesterdays meetings.

So it seems KP is friendless everywhere, as he has been with previous times with Natal, Hampshire and Notts, and we all know his emnity with Graeme Smith. I really do think he's probably not easy to get along with.

Do we know for certain that the leaks came from the ECB? I know KP has said the leaks didnt come from him. However he could have instructed one of his associates to leak the info.

If you had to put up with the PCB, you would think the ECB were perfect, you would think Giles Clarke was great at his job.

If the ECB have stepped out of line, then that is wrong, and whoever leaked the info, must answer for his actions. Which I would think means they get the sack. However that does not excuse KPs actions. If he was unhappy with the ECB leaking the info, he should have gone back to them and asked for an investigation. The ECB may have done nothing, however at least KP would then have a legitimate gripe with the ECB.

I dont blame the SAs. They are trying to win the series, why not announce that KP had been texting them? For all we know the players may have been instructed that any contact from England must be reported. It was then the management that decided to let the press know of the texts. To be honest, it was a good move by them, unsettle your opponents and give yourself an advantage - all mind games. Nothing wrong with mind games, sledging all part of the modern day game.

[seansnotmyname@]

Originally Posted by ACU

Do we know for certain that the leaks came from the ECB? I know KP has said the leaks didnt come from him. However he could have instructed one of his associates to leak the info.

If you had to put up with the PCB, you would think the ECB were perfect, you would think Giles Clarke was great at his job.

If the ECB have stepped out of line, then that is wrong, and whoever leaked the info, must answer for his actions. Which I would think means they get the sack. However that does not excuse KPs actions. If he was unhappy with the ECB leaking the info, he should have gone back to them and asked for an investigation. The ECB may have done nothing, however at least KP would then have a legitimate gripe with the ECB.

I dont blame the SAs. They are trying to win the series, why not announce that KP had been texting them? For all we know the players may have been instructed that any contact from England must be reported. It was then the management that decided to let the press know of the texts. To be honest, it was a good move by them, unsettle your opponents and give yourself an advantage - all mind games. Nothing wrong with mind games, sledging all part of the modern day game.

It's a pretty open secret that there's been leaks from the ECB for years, the Moores/KP thing was leaked, so that's why I'm happy to absolve Flower as he obviously wasn't there then. The problem about investigations is the reporters can always say they won't reveal their sources. The Stanford thing was humiliating, and Clarke should have resigned over that alone.

Well, it's not cricket what the saffies have done IMHO, reporting it may well have had to be done, but then deleting the texts and mentioning it to the press, and now downplaying it, not the way things should be done, they've outplayed us on the pitch, there's really no need for this, am desperate to beat them in the next match.

[Bhaveshgor]

statement from south Africa.
The Proteas' Team Manager, Dr Mohammed Moosajee today released the following statement reaffirming the team’s stance on the issue involving Kevin Pietersen and the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB).

The statement reads as follows:

There have been untruthful allegations in the media implicating members of our squad in the current issue between Kevin Pietersen and the ECB. We stand by the same stance we have taken since we heard news about the allegations.

Text messages were sent, but like we said before it was banter amongst team mates, which we feel is perfectly acceptable.

The ECB has not made a formal approach to myself (Dr Mohammed Moosajee) or any member of the team to see the text messages as is currently being reported in the media.

Allegations that Dale Steyn and AB de Villiers were the recipients of the texts are unfounded, and until such time that the allegations are met with the correct facts and evidence, we shall not comment.

This internal issue between Kevin Pietersen and the ECB has been publicised for weeks even before we even arrived in the UK, and we do not want to get ourselves involved in an issue that has nothing to do with us.

This is the last time that management or the players will comment on the issue and our focus moving on is the team’s preparation and how we plan to go about winning the next Test match at Lord’s.

[seansnotmyname@]

Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor

statement from south Africa.
The Proteas' Team Manager, Dr Mohammed Moosajee today released the following statement reaffirming the team’s stance on the issue involving Kevin Pietersen and the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB).

The statement reads as follows:

There have been untruthful allegations in the media implicating members of our squad in the current issue between Kevin Pietersen and the ECB. We stand by the same stance we have taken since we heard news about the allegations.

Text messages were sent, but like we said before it was banter amongst team mates, which we feel is perfectly acceptable.

The ECB has not made a formal approach to myself (Dr Mohammed Moosajee) or any member of the team to see the text messages as is currently being reported in the media.

Allegations that Dale Steyn and AB de Villiers were the recipients of the texts are unfounded, and until such time that the allegations are met with the correct facts and evidence, we shall not comment.

This internal issue between Kevin Pietersen and the ECB has been publicised for weeks even before we even arrived in the UK, and we do not want to get ourselves involved in an issue that has nothing to do with us.

This is the last time that management or the players will comment on the issue and our focus moving on is the team’s preparation and how we plan to go about winning the next Test match at Lord’s.

yeah, that's why you leaked the fact of the texts to the press, Morne Morkel, the recipient then, I guess.

[SULLA]

Originally Posted by MR. Macavity

He's a good player Pietersen and I have sympathy with him regarding his criticism of the ECB over the schedules

I have no sympathy whatsoever. The schedules are the same for all England players who play all 3 forms of the game. He is contracted to play for England when required. England are not obliged to make allowances for him to play for other teams.

[MR. Macavity]

Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor

statement from south Africa.
The Proteas' Team Manager, Dr Mohammed Moosajee today released the following statement reaffirming the team’s stance on the issue involving Kevin Pietersen and the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB).

The statement reads as follows:

There have been untruthful allegations in the media implicating members of our squad in the current issue between Kevin Pietersen and the ECB. We stand by the same stance we have taken since we heard news about the allegations.

Text messages were sent, but like we said before it was banter amongst team mates, which we feel is perfectly acceptable.

The ECB has not made a formal approach to myself (Dr Mohammed Moosajee) or any member of the team to see the text messages as is currently being reported in the media.

Allegations that Dale Steyn and AB de Villiers were the recipients of the texts are unfounded, and until such time that the allegations are met with the correct facts and evidence, we shall not comment.

This internal issue between Kevin Pietersen and the ECB has been publicised for weeks even before we even arrived in the UK, and we do not want to get ourselves involved in an issue that has nothing to do with us.

This is the last time that management or the players will comment on the issue and our focus moving on is the team’s preparation and how we plan to go about winning the next Test match at Lord’s.

The South Africans really have played Pietersen like a Stradivarius haven't they?

[seansnotmyname@]

Originally Posted by MR. Macavity

The South Africans really have played Pietersen like a Stradivarius haven't they?

Indeed

[ACU]

Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@

It's a pretty open secret that there's been leaks from the ECB for years, the Moores/KP thing was leaked, so that's why I'm happy to absolve Flower as he obviously wasn't there then. The problem about investigations is the reporters can always say they won't reveal their sources. The Stanford thing was humiliating, and Clarke should have resigned over that alone.

Well, it's not cricket what the saffies have done IMHO, reporting it may well have had to be done, but then deleting the texts and mentioning it to the press, and now downplaying it, not the way things should be done, they've outplayed us on the pitch, there's really no need for this, am desperate to beat them in the next match.

Fair enough with the most likely source for the leak being the ECB. Agree with you, that it will be almost impossible to find the source of the leak.

Funny you mention the Stanford saga. I said at the time that the ECB was embarrassing. Allowing Stanford to fly in and land his helicopter in lords was out of order. At the time I was told I didnt know what I was on about. Glad someone else sees it my way.

I think we will have to agree to disagree as to whether what the SAs done is cricket or not.

[ACU]

Originally Posted by MR. Macavity

The South Africans really have played Pietersen like a Stradivarius haven't they?

To be fair, KP did have a big hand in it. He did hand them the sheet of music and a violin bow.

He also didnt apologise for the texts, when he had the chance to.

Edit - never thought I would see Pietersen and stradivarius in the same sentence.

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by walterwhite

He has one South African parent and one English parent. Under your idea he wouldn't be able to play for anyone.

Imho, sportsmen and women should play for the Country they grew up in and became what they were under that Countries sporting structure.
Pieterson is a product of the South African school and sporting system and should play for South Africa.
Mo Farah was born not born here but grew up in England and is a product of our system, so i have no problem whatsoever in supporting him and counting him as one of ours.

[ihatemarmite]

Originally Posted by Dixon

Imho, sportsmen and women should play for the Country they grew up in and became what they were under that Countries sporting structure.
Pieterson is a product of the South African school and sporting system and should play for South Africa.
Mo Farah was born not born here but grew up in England and is a product of our system, so i have no problem whatsoever in supporting him and counting him as one of ours.

Presume you'd like Trott dropped as well then? He's every bit as South African as KP, just more sensible

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by ihatemarmite

Presume you'd like Trott dropped as well then? He's every bit as South African as KP, just more sensible

Yes, if it was up to me i wouldn't have him in our team either.
As i said in a previous post, it's not just KP or Cricketers. The rules i would like to see implemented should apply to all sports.

[walterwhite]

Originally Posted by Dixon

Imho, sportsmen and women should play for the Country they grew up in and became what they were under that Countries sporting structure.
Pieterson is a product of the South African school and sporting system and should play for South Africa.
Mo Farah was born not born here but grew up in England and is a product of our system, so i have no problem whatsoever in supporting him and counting him as one of ours.

What's your age limit then? 5? 10? 15?

[ACU]

this article brings a bit of light relief to this saga.

[Nansbread]

Originally Posted by ACU

this article brings a bit of light relief to this saga.

Actually provides 'light relief' to those who have a pathological hatred of KP and his participation in the IPL.

[SULLA]

South Africa wait untill Pietersen has been dropped before issuing their statement

[ACU]

Originally Posted by SULLA

South Africa wait untill Pietersen has been dropped before issuing their statement

I would have waited until the test has started. Pietersen can still get into the team.

[Nansbread]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00xcm7k

Tuffnells broadcasting credentials on display. Bet there was a lot of squirming in that studio. Loved every minute of it.

[Nansbread]

Alex Hales was the first follower of the KP Parody twitter account

Photo of Broad with @bailsthebadger (parody account holding twonk) was posted 1.5 hrs after the account was opened on twitter

They are all in it. They were sitting around and slagging KP off.

Shameless idiots. Shame on you ECB, Fowler and the rest of the brown nosing establishment.

[garbage456]

Pietersen returns to the top 10 batsmen in the world, and England drop him.

great

he has pledged his future to england, said he will forget the IPL, confirmed by SA that the texts are jokes not real.

Yet they still drop him.

sensible

[jazzydrury3]

After hearing that Kevin Pieterson has send provocative texts, i would tell him you will not get a contract, go back to surrey, and play for them, no messing, if you dont play for surrey, and if you dont get the amount of rubs, bye bye, just play country cricket.

He has always come over to me very egostatsic, he has always played a stupid shot at times and got out, he new we needed to win this test to remain number 1, and he done this.

I wouldnt pick him like i said, and if it slightly weakens the squad, but you have 11 happy players, then to me that is better than having somebody who doesnt really care.

I am a fan of his, but im getting fed up with english cricket being about him, they just said on SSn his represenatives, had been in disscussions with the ECB, shouldnt that be Kevin that had discussions, and not some representive, he got himself into this messs, not representative, hense he should be the one to sort it.

[FusionFury]

He plays for Kevin Pietersen, not for England or the team and that's the difference.

You can't rely on him.. if he comes back to play he will probably retire when he gets cold feet and leave England in the lurch if he can earn more money elsewhere.. England management can't take that chance.

[Flukie]

I haven't followed this beyond seeing the headlines, but I heard today he'd sent texts to the SA team, using 'an insulting afrikaan term' against Strauss and telling the SA's how best to get him out.

If that last bit alone is true, how can he play for England again? Let him play for SA instead if he wants to help them win.

[ACU]

Originally Posted by garbage456

Pietersen returns to the top 10 batsmen in the world, and England drop him.

great

he has pledged his future to england, said he will forget the IPL, confirmed by SA that the texts are jokes not real.

Yet they still drop him.

sensible

You believe what KP says.

Not sensible.