[dedication]

Why are people attacking this Veri bloke? I thought Conor had the aggressive fans.

[gemma41576]

Yes, I like Deana and yes I have voted for her, but i'm not that biased that I can't see her faults, but compared to what some of the 'sneaky' things HM's have done, Deana is most definitely a novice and I don't think she really deserves to be the only one 'named and shamed' especially this series.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by DeccaQuinne

That's not remotely sly - she was just chit-chatting the way girls do... She didn't carry out the plan & it was no where near as bad as Becky betraying Lauren by telling Conor etc that Lauren told BB about them talking about Noms (& then denying it).

If it really were just chit-chatting the way girls do, we'd have seen many examples of similar plans. We haven't.

The idea (claimed in some posts) that it was harmless is also wrong. It was the sort of plan that could turn the whole house against its target in a very unpleasant way, even though all the HM would have done was pass on some gossip like most (at least) of the others have done.

[Radical Joe]

I can't speak for whether Deana's behavoiur was the worst example of sneakiness in BB, but it's certainly at odds with the decent person that some like to portray her as. Scheming to alienate Lauren in there, after all she (Deana) would have us believe she was going through at that time, was pretty despicable. And I'm not just referring to her scheming with Shievonne, but her trying to plant seeds in Adam's mind too.

And, in any case, putting up other examples of sneaky behaviour dosen't in any way detract from what Deana was up to.

[amelie74]

Deana's plan to trap Lauren was the first time I saw the devious, sneaky side that other hms referred to. I never liked her as much after that although she's still my 3rd fave after Adam and Luke A.

[psychedelic]

Originally Posted by Radical Joe

I can't speak for whether Deana's behavoiur was the worst example of sneakiness in BB, but it's certainly at odds with the decent person that some like to portray her as. Scheming to alienate Lauren in there, after all she (Deana) would have us believe she was going through at that time, was pretty despicable. And I'm not just referring to her scheming with Shievonne, but her trying to plant seeds in Adam's mind too.

And, in any case, putting up other examples of sneaky behaviour dosen't in any way detract from what Deana was up to.

I agree. Actually I felt sorry for Deana after watching Saturday's H/L's Adam and Luke A seem to have formed a firm friendship bond, Sara and Luke S were having a great time at the cocktail party and poor Deana was on her own again. Probably getting the prize fund will make up for the fact that she just didn't really fit in.

[Kopite1763]

Originally Posted by Kewpee

*Hands Veri tin hat..................

body armour.............



shield.........



spears.............


earplugs.............


passport..............



ticket to Rio*

Although I'm a Deana supporter, this did make me chuckle

[bbfivenever]

Yeah, Do NOT let Deana win.

Deana NOT to win.

[psychedelic]

Originally Posted by bbfivenever

Yeah, Do NOT let Deana win.

Deana NOT to win.

You did a whole thread about this before. We know you are a Deana fan, it's looking a little tired now, why not just stick to the Vote for Deana threads, you don't need to do this now, you know she is going to win.

[garden]

Every time I see Veri's anti Deana threads, I pick a phone to vote Deana many times.

[I Observer]

OMG. If this trolling thread keeps getting bumped, I'll vote 10 times for Deana.

[psychedelic]

Originally Posted by I Observer

OMG. If this trolling thread keeps getting bumped, I'll vote 10 times for Deana.

It's your money of course but it is a little impolite to call any thread that is not supportive of Deana a trolling thread.

[Radical Joe]

Originally Posted by bbfivenever

Yeah, Do NOT let Deana win.

Deana NOT to win.

Fair enough, I'll vote for someone else then.

Originally Posted by garden

Every time I see Veri's anti Deana threads, I pick a phone to vote Deana many times.

Originally Posted by I Observer

OMG. If this trolling thread keeps getting bumped, I'll vote 10 times for Deana.

That old chestnut.

do you guys actuallly think people believe you, and that they'll refrain from airing their views for fear that you'll spend more money voting to spite them?

There, I've bumped it. Better get your money out.

[I Observer]

Originally Posted by psychedelic

It's your money of course but it is a little impolite to call any thread that is not supportive of Deana a trolling thread.

I wouldn't call "any thread that is not supportive of Deana a trolling thread", but this one clearly is.

The point made by the OP is about a comment, not an scheme that was carried out. This has been pointed out many times. Also, to claim that "No other HM in the entire history of UK BB has planned anything so sneaky. ", is clearly trolling.

[Kewpee]

Originally Posted by I Observer

I wouldn't call "any thread that is not supportive of Deana a trolling thread", but this one clearly is.

The point made by the OP is about a comment, not an scheme that was carried out. This has been pointed out many times. Also, to claim that "No other HM in the entire history of UK BB has planned anything so sneaky. ", is clearly trolling.

You can love Deana all you want.......

Please don't call Veri a troll though.

Heavens knows I have seldom agreed with Veri................but, that's a good, thing someone with opposing views, someone that makes others stop and think from time to time...



Not a Troll

[Radical Joe]

Originally Posted by I Observer

I wouldn't call "any thread that is not supportive of Deana a trolling thread", but this one clearly is.

The point made by the OP is about a comment, not an scheme that was carried out. This has been pointed out many times. Also, to claim that "No other HM in the entire history of UK BB has planned anything so sneaky. ", is clearly trolling.

This isn't even close to a trolling thread, but the fact that you dismiss it as one is pretty telling. It's perfectly legitimate to question Deana's character in light of the plan she had to entrap Lauren, and her trying top turn other HMs against her, particularly because, as I said above, Deana (and her fans) were always going on about how Deana was being isolated in there.

Oops, another bump.

[Otto J]

Originally Posted by I Observer

The point made by the OP is about a comment, not an scheme that was carried out. This has been pointed out many times. Also, to claim that "No other HM in the entire history of UK BB has planned anything so sneaky. ", is clearly trolling.

I wouldn't call it trolling. Retrospection + hyperbole, perhaps.

[bbfivenever]

Originally Posted by psychedelic

You did a whole thread about this before. We know you are a Deana fan, it's looking a little tired now, why not just stick to the Vote for Deana threads, you don't need to do this now, you know she is going to win.

I've got Money on Sara to be top female.

That's why i DON'T want Deana to win

Originally Posted by Radical Joe

Fair enough, I'll vote for someone else then.

Vote for Sara please.

[I Observer]

OK, I'm going to cast 10 Deana votes now.

[trevor tiger]

I would find this thread offensive if I didn't find it so ridiculous. We do know Lauren was shown a video of the the incident which she clearly already knew about and not only accepted it but offerred an explanation for Deana's behaviour, she said Deana found it hard to trust people and that she understands this.

I appreciate just because Lauren is ok about it we don't have to be but if we're going to go to this kind of length to criticise this action which never went ahead and is tolerated by the recipient of it then just talking about Deana and Lauren and not even including incidents of bad behaviour to Deana from Lydia or Adam or Conor what about Lauren promising that her and Deana would stick together then nominating Deana.

I know, tit for tat, which could go on for eternity and I personally wouldn't even mildly criticise Lauren for this but surely it at least demonstrates that this lengthy thread tearing Deana apart for considering doing something is out of order.

They didn't trust each other sadly and other's got in the way and used this to further stir. Which is ironically what's happening here too.

[cjandrews]

Originally Posted by I Observer

OK, I'm going to cast 10 Deana votes now.

Good on you, doing Team Deana proud!
Keep voting Deana's Deanos.

[psychedelic]

Originally Posted by I Observer

OK, I'm going to cast 10 Deana votes now.

Oooh I am really scared now

[Veri]

BTW, posts that rely on attaching words like "plot" or "plotting" to something make it as sneaky as what Deana planned are wrong. Not all "plotting" is the same.

Finding other examples of sneakiness doesn't do much anyway, The title of this thread shows what it's mainly about: that Deana is sneaky. That can't credibly be denied, even leaving out the entrapment plan; and it's not made false by finding other HMs who were also sneaky, or even ones who were sneakier.

But in sneakiness comparisons, Deana does score pretty high.

Most BB sneakiness is talking against someone behind their back, nominating someone when you'd seemed friendly towards, or falsely claiming you didn't or aren't doing something. Deana's done all of those. An example of the 1st was Deana trying to undermine Lauren with Adam by swaying she didn't trust her (she made similar moves against Sara and Scott); of the 2nd, her nominating Caroline; and of the 3rd, claims such as "I'm not laughing at the boy" when she was laughing at him, that she was not annoyed with Adam (for not nominating Luke S) when she was, and so on.

Perhaps the sneakiest move we've seen in earlier years has been to try to provoke a HM, hoping their reaction would make them look bad to viewers. (BB7's Mikey tried that on Nikki and on Susie.) Deana's tried to do that too, as many posts about her tactics in arguments and other engagements have explained.

She's also used the tactic Sezer described as "bullying opinions out of" a housemate (something we also saw Rex try against Rachel). Deana's attempt to do a Paxman on Sara is in the same category.

I have, however, remembered a worse sneakiness from bb13 than Deana's plan against Lauren. It is a fair point that Deana didn't carry out the plan (so far as we know), even though it shows a sneaky turn of mind. But Luke A's move against Lauren was carried out, and even seemed to be successful. I mean pushing things between Adam and Lauren, knowing how it would look to viewers, at a time when it would do the most damage to Lauren's chances of surviving that week, when he was up against only her. (See, for example, this thread.)

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Originally Posted by trevor tiger

I would find this thread offensive if I didn't find it so ridiculous. We do know Lauren was shown a video of the the incident which she clearly already knew about and not only accepted it but offerred an explanation for Deana's behaviour, she said Deana found it hard to trust people and that she understands this.

No, Lauren didn't already know about the entrapment plan.

And Lauren was shown shortly after her eviction and I doubt she carefully thought through the implications before replying.

[lynzee]

Originally Posted by Radical Joe

Fair enough, I'll vote for someone else then.




That old chestnut.

do you guys actuallly think people believe you, and that they'll refrain from airing their views for fear that you'll spend more money voting to spite them?

There, I've bumped it. Better get your money out.

Odd as it may seem, it does encourage me to spend more money voting. Not to spite the non fans but just to ensure a win or a save for my favorite. So it very likely is the same for other fans.
It seemed to work last year. The more people criticized
Aaron the more his fans voted.

[lynzee]

Originally Posted by dedication

Why are people attacking this Veri bloke? I thought Conor had the aggressive fans.

Are people attacking Veri or just disagreeing with him/her?