[B L Zeebub]

Originally Posted by Rapunzal1977

Ash gave him a hand.............who says blame...no blame discussed but more about the fact someone lowers themselves on tv to actually carry it out

You were basically saying that Luke S's mum should blame Ash for it - "I would like better for my son and not settle for that"

As if she attacked Luke S's penis and he wasn't involved!

[Rapunzal1977]

Originally Posted by Kopite1763

What I found to be strange, was the fact Ashleigh had said she would never ever have sex in the house, as it would be awful and embarrasing for her family, yet she did what she did, but that's ok?

The girl is full of sh** I loved the way she dismissed it as a bit of fun - aye really

Eeew yuk

[avon942]

Originally Posted by Kopite1763

What I found to be strange, was the fact Ashleigh had said she would never ever have sex in the house, as it would be awful and embarrassing for her family, yet she did what she did, but that's ok?

Well evidently it was ok, her parents and Luke S mum seem that bothered.

[Rapunzal1977]

Originally Posted by avon942

Well evidently it was ok, her parents and Luke S mum seem that bothered.

ON tv yes

there is no chance they will be ok with it
believe me

[B L Zeebub]

Originally Posted by What name??

I wouldn't be happy if my child prostituted themselves for a chance of celebrity much less zelebrity and to do it TV so it's recorded for forever. No. Just no.

You have a different definition of 'prostituted' to me.
Do you honestly think Ash was thinking of fame and celebrity, at the time, or just feeling a bit randy?

[avon942]

Originally Posted by Rapunzal1977

ON tv yes

there is no chance they will be ok with it
believe me

If that's the case then we will never know what they think.

[gavin shipman]

Ashleigh is just jelous as Deana has made the final.

She wanted a final of her becky caroline luke and connor.

I hope Deana wins

[What name??]

Originally Posted by B L Zeebub

You have a different definition of 'prostituted' to me.
Do you honestly think Ash was thinking of fame and celebrity, at the time, or just feeling a bit randy?

I think she was thinking of the mag deals from sealing the deal as a couple and having something to talk about, sell her story about when she got out. When women are feeling a bit randy they usually go for satisfaction of themselves ie something more mutual. That looked like work to me.

[avon942]

Originally Posted by B L Zeebub

You have a different definition of 'prostituted' to me.
Do you honestly think Ash was thinking of fame and celebrity, at the time, or just feeling a bit randy?

They were randy and tipsy.

[Rapunzal1977]

Originally Posted by B L Zeebub

You were basically saying that Luke S's mum should blame Ash for it - "I would like better for my son and not settle for that"

As if she attacked Luke S's penis and he wasn't involved!

Eh..................it sasy what it says.....................I would want better for my son - at no point does that statement mention blame........

It is what it is........she is crass, bit cheap and no morals....so, clearly, in my opion, I would not want that for my son.........

[johnan]

Why would anyone be jealous of Deana, she just doesn't register, completely devoid of character and charm.

The men in the house have absolutely no interest in Deana, she does not radiate any sexuality at all, so Ash has no reason to be jealous of her on that score.

I could understand Ash being jealous of most of the other girls in the house however.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by avon942

They were randy and tipsy.

Well that makes it OK then ...

[wotnot]

Originally Posted by kev1

The way Ashleigh talks about Deana shows clear signs if jealousy in my opinion. She slates Deana whenever she has the opportunity to and it really is quite sad.

Come on jealousy cannot always be the reason for a woman to dislike another woman, I dislike her for her personality and I find her annoying, I am not jealous of her and don't see why Ashleigh would be tbh especially since Ashleigh stated openly that she was jealous of Lauren. It may surprise some people but not all of us see Deana in a rosy glow of virtue and perfection.

[B L Zeebub]

Originally Posted by What name??

I think she was thinking of the mag deals from sealing the deal as a couple and having something to talk about, sell her story about when she got out. When women are feeling a bit randy they usually go for satisfaction of themselves ie something more mutual. That looked like work to me.

As a woman, I can assure you that you can get a certain level of satisfaction by pleasuring others.

My point was, however, that Luke S's mother should be far more concerned with her own son's behaviour and should not be putting any of the blame on Ash.

His behaviour is far more akin to prostitution, seeing as we know that he planned to 'get with a bird' on BB, as part of a game plan, presumably, and was willing to dump her for money. If her behaviour is so shocking, what about his wiping up of his own mess, leaving her third after himself and the sheets, and how about showing the nation his ball sack?

[avon942]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

Well that makes it OK then ...

It that's what you think but I never said that.

[avon942]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

Well that makes it OK then ...

Echo!

[B L Zeebub]

Originally Posted by Rapunzal1977

Eh..................it sasy what it says.....................I would want better for my son - at no point does that statement mention blame........

It is what it is........she is crass, bit cheap and no morals....so, clearly, in my opion, I would not want that for my son.........

And he is crass, a bit cheap and has no morals, so you'd think they'd be well suited.

If your son ever behaves like Luke S, I would suggest that you question his morals, not his girlfriends.

[What name??]

Originally Posted by B L Zeebub

His behaviour is far more akin to prostitution, seeing as we know that he planned to 'get with a bird' on BB, as part of a game plan, presumably, and was willing to dump her for money. If her behaviour is so shocking, what about his wiping up of his own mess, leaving her third after himself and the sheets, and how about showing the nation his ball sack?

The fact that Luke S is prepared to prostitute himself for fame does not alter the fact that Ashleigh is also prepared to do the same. They are both equally greedy for fame, and both prepared to literally prostitute themselves to get it. He admitted it & she admitted her role models are kiss and tell girls. I think they both intended to go down the "romance" route. She was his last choice and the only one of the women who was up for it. Even that didn't stop her diving in.

[B L Zeebub]

Originally Posted by What name??

The fact that Luke S is prepared to prostitute himself for fame does not alter the fact that Ashleigh is also prepared to do the same. They are both equally greedy for fame, and both prepared to literally prostitute themselves to get it. He admitted it & she admitted her role models are kiss and tell girls. I think they both intended to go down the "romance" route. She was his last choice and the only one of the women who was up for it. Even that didn't stop her diving in.

We know Luke S's motives, but we can't be sure of Ash's.

My point is still that Luke S's mum should be looking at her own son's behaviour, before she has any right to criticise Ash's.

Blaming the woman is so Old Testament!

[avon942]

Originally Posted by B L Zeebub

We know Luke S's motives, but we can't be sure of Ash's.

My point is still that Luke S's mum should be looking at her own son's behaviour, before she has any right to criticise Ash's.

Blaming the woman is so Old Testament!

That's why she hasn't criticised Ash, she likes her and has been in contact with her parents while she was in the house. Ash said her parents like Luke too.

[trevor tiger]

Originally Posted by avon942

Well evidently it was ok, her parents and Luke S mum seem that bothered.

So she was lying about her patent's attitude or she doesn't know them I'm pretty certain her response was bravado and her parents are hardly going to castigate her in public but it doesn't mean they are ok with it.

Originally Posted by B L Zeebub

You have a different definition of 'prostituted' to me.
Do you honestly think Ash was thinking of fame and celebrity, at the time, or just feeling a bit randy?

It could be perceived as prostitution because she was willing to carry out a sexual favour in order to maintain a false relationship that either helped her stay in the house or could have financial rewards in the future.

In fact I kind of agree with this and your post confirms this. I mean it wasn't actually her randiness that was assuaged was it

[Queeniejean]

Ashleigh is one of those unfortunate looking girls who instead of trying to improve herself has a hatred of attractive girls.
She's not sure why she doesn't like them but with a little self analysis surely even Ashleigh would realise she is jealous of their good looks and easy conversation. She especially dislikes Lauren and Deana as they are everything she isn't.
Ashleigh hasn't even been taught to sit with her legs shut when not wearing trousers. Her parents have really let her down in matters of general decorum.

[Anbud]

Originally Posted by avon942

They were randy and tipsy.

most sex on reality shows happen when they drunk/tipsy as you say.
but, i have never seen on any reality show where a female fondle a man between his legs on live cam while another was watching them.. and then said,its semi hard. (if a man is into you,there is nothing call semi hard at a touch .) seen many have sex on paradise hotel denmark,norway, sweden,big brother . but none ever wipe off each other ,they bounce off to the bathroom dragging a blanket around them to wash .. plus its always under the covers.

[avon942]

Originally Posted by trevor tiger

So she was lying about her patent's attitude or she doesn't know them I'm pretty certain her response was bravado and her parents are hardly going to castigate her in public but it doesn't mean they are ok with it.



It could be perceived as prostitution because she was willing to carry out a sexual favour in order to maintain a false relationship that either helped her stay in the house or could have financial rewards in the future.

In fact I kind of agree with this and your post confirms this. I mean it wasn't actually her randiness that was assuaged was it

True but it doesn't mean their not ok with it either.

[B L Zeebub]

Originally Posted by trevor tiger

It could be perceived as prostitution because she was willing to carry out a sexual favour in order to maintain a false relationship that either helped her stay in the house or could have financial rewards in the future.

In fact I kind of agree with this and your post confirms this. I mean it wasn't actually her randiness that was assuaged was it

We have no evidence that she thought the relationship was fake, so we are back to the point that Luke S can get all the blame for this.

I've answered the question about who was gaining satisfaction. It's quite normal for couples to do some mutual masturbation. She was just more successful.