[guestofseth]

DW won't be up against X Factor it will most likely be up against Red and Black (7-7.45) which did poorly last year. Also even if DW doesn't do brilliantly in ratings I'm not worried, there is no way it won't be on next year for the 50th anniversary.

Originally Posted by bananashake

Merlin went up against The X Factor for the entire fourth run and still became the highest rated series of Merlin ever and reached highs of 8m+ so I'm not too worried!

Merlin has an older audience hence why it does well up against X Factor, DW probably wouldn't do as well as it has a younger audience than Merlin.

[lordOfTime]

Doctor Who or XFactor. This decision won't take long

[November_Rain]

Originally Posted by TheSilentFez

Probably not.
Overnight ratings may be down, but the final viewing figures will probably show no difference.

^This.

In this day and age of catch up TV and time-shifting and what have you, overnight ratings are not the be all and end all.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by lordOfTime

Doctor Who or XFactor. This decision won't take long

Id rather see a decent quality drama than some reality music show thats the same thing every week.

[daveyboy7472]

Originally Posted by steven1977

How could anyone watch it. Its the same crap week after week.

Originally Posted by aisey

It will be a good excuse for whingers to moan that ratings are down (even if's just the over nights)

Who the hell would chose X-Craptor over the mighty Who? Crazy people, that's WHO.

Posts like this always make me chuckle. Was it not so long ago that Fern Britton said a similar thing about Doctor Who and it's viewers and got absolutely slated for it on this forum?

I don't have a problem with people who don't like The X-Factor, that is just an opinion. What I find annoying is people who slate viewers of other TV Shows. The X-Factor has a completely different audience type to Doctor Who who clearly love the show as much as us folks do Doctor Who on here. So questioning people's tastes because they like another TV Show over Doctor Who(or any other show come to that) really is silly, I think.

I remember Tingramretro when he was on here got it into his head that everybody who watched reality TV Shows were utter morons and had no intelligence at all. I often pointed out to him that people watch all sorts of different programs, some people watch Doctor Who and reality TV Shows. I'm one of them, and I also watch documentaries as well. Some them very topical and relevant. Doesn't make me a moron, I just like a diverse set of programming.

So though I would naturally choose Doctor Who over X-Factor every time, I don't see why I should be chastised for watching a show I do actually enjoy.

[WelshNige]

I see the "I don't like it so it must mean that those who do are of lower intelligence than I" brigade are still spouting their nonsense.

I like both shows and will watch both shows, as I am sure will many others, if you don't like The X Factor then fine, but please don't belittle those that do, it's a rather unbecoming personality trait.

[SillyBillyGoat]

Sorry, but why would you be worried? The show's hardly going to be cancelled just because it loses in the ratings against one of the biggest shows in the country.

[rionia]

Originally Posted by JAS84

Both Who and Merlin will probably be on before X Factor, which will clash with Casualty or the lottery quiz instead.

Maybe something like this?
BBC 1
6.00 Doctor Who / Merlin
6.45 Strictly Come Dancing
8.10 National Lottery
8.55 Casualty

ITV1
6.00 You've Been Framed
6.30 Take Me Out
7.30 X Factor
9.00 Red or Black

I thought Merlin has been up against xfactor before and did quite well in the ratings?

[steven1977]

Ant & Dec will get overthrown again.

[jimthepig]

Originally Posted by aisey

It will be a good excuse for whingers to moan that ratings are down (even if's just the over nights)

Who the hell would chose X-Craptor over the mighty Who? Crazy people, that's WHO.

You know it's one of Earths biggest mysterys why people even watch X-Trash cough, cough I mean X-Factor.

DW is a classy show that the entire family can sit down and enjoy but on X Factor you gets the likes of Jedward that can't sing, have silly gimmicks and embarrass themselves.

[lordo350]

Not in the least. My family watch the X Factor and they always record it, because you might as well just sit down and watch a run of adverts for an hour, the amount of advertisement they throw in when that show's on!
DW at least has no adverts.
Making it event TV will, hopefully, boost the ratings. Especially a big episode featuring the Daleks to kick off the series. God it would be nice to see DW beat X Factor.
Even my family, who used to be massive fans, now watch it because there is, "nothing else on." The show's an absolute farce. Fans know it too, but hey it can be kind of entertaining. Personally I find it exceedingly dull, but what can you do?

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by jimthepig

You know it's one of Earths biggest mysterys why people even watch X-Trash cough, cough I mean X-Factor.

DW is a classy show that the entire family can sit down and enjoy but on X Factor you gets the likes of Jedward that can't sing, have silly gimmicks and embarrass themselves.

Plus these type of shows are fixed anyway. They know whos going to win. Last year my mate said he tried to vote for someone and his line got disconnected about 3 - 4 so for a laugh he tried the line for the person who eventually won and it went trough first time.

[ryanr554]

I shall be watching Doctor who, the X factor is a pile of dung imo. It always ends the same way, some good looking guy ends up winning then going on to sell a total of 4 records and then become a nobody.

[daveyboy7472]

Originally Posted by ryanr554

I shall be watching Doctor who, the X factor is a pile of dung imo. It always ends the same way, some good looking guy ends up winning then going on to sell a total of 4 records and then become a nobody.

Leona Lewis, Alexandra Burke, Little Mix. Yep, I see your point...

[andrew1973]

Originally Posted by ryanr554

I shall be watching Doctor who, the X factor is a pile of dung imo. It always ends the same way, some good looking guy ends up winning then going on to sell a total of 4 records and then become a nobody.

Agree totally. I'm sure the musical comic satirist Mitch Benn would concur also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYthcpEWLwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RaDXh726Co

Actually I'm pretty certain he would, he's also a massive Doctor fan!

[andrew1973]

Originally Posted by gwalker94

I know that if they do clash, a lot of people will probably watch Who then watch X Factor on ITV+1 - that's what I often do with other shows. Not X factor, however, I can't stand it.

Speaking of which, I saw this rather amusing song today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvDkp...&feature=g-u-u

Great song! Inexplicably, I feel the need to pick up my phone and vote...

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by ryanr554

I shall be watching Doctor who, the X factor is a pile of dung imo. It always ends the same way, some good looking guy ends up winning then going on to sell a total of 4 records and then become a nobody.

Me too. Its just auditions all the time. Its not really different any week. Dramas are always different.

[Stuart_Renton]

No, because everyone will watch Doctor Who and will 'record' X Factor to edit out all the god-awful adverts that plague the show.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by Stuart_Renton

No, because everyone will watch Doctor Who and will 'record' X Factor to edit out all the god-awful adverts that plague the show.

I dont really see the point in the show. Where is the fun in watching people be riddiculed and bullied on tv.

[daveyboy7472]

Originally Posted by steven1977

Me too. Its just auditions all the time. Its not really different any week. Dramas are always different.

Not necessarily. A lot of ongoing Drama's have a formula. Casualty, for example, you know that every week, someone is going to have an nasty accident of some sort and end up in hospital. In soaps, you know there's going to an affair going on somewhere at least once year, possibly a murder, a mystery of some description, fights in the pub. Even in Merlin, you know some things that are going to probably happen, like him using his magic, consulting with Gaius. I also remember watching The Incredible Hulk as a kid and even that was formulaic. You knew most weeks the Hulk would crop up after about 20 minutes and then 5-10 minutes from the end. Yes, the weekly episodes were different like Doctor Who is different but it still had a basic formula.

The good thing about Doctor Who is that it's one of the few ongoing shows that doesn't really have a formula as such. You just have The Doctor, his companion(s), the TARDIS and that's it. In the Classic series the only formulaic thing was the cliffhangers, but you don't always have those these all the time anymore now.

And going back to X-Factor, it's not the sort of show which allows for a variety of Formula. I do disagree to a point that it is the same thing week out as you have auditions, boot camp, judges houses and then the live shows which vary in theme from week to week. The auditions aside, it isn't exactly the same every week and when the show only deals in singers, it doesn't allow a lot of room for change. If anything, The Voice was even worse as it really was almost exactly the same every week with no themes or anything.

I do agree about the bullying thing, though, that is something I'd like to see a lot less off but on the other hand if someone goes on a TV Show to sing when they clearly can't, they really should expect some criticism.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by daveyboy7472

I do agree about the bullying thing, though, that is something I'd like to see a lot less off but on the other hand if someone goes on a TV Show to sing when they clearly can't, they really should expect some criticism.

I can remember one show where this girl sung wanted to know why she wasent going through and she was told she was too fat.

That is as bigger bullying as anything. What the hell does their size have to do with talent. Oh thats right its tv and we have to put up with a perfect image for kids.

[daveyboy7472]

Originally Posted by steven1977

I can remember one show where this girl sung wanted to know why she wasnt going through and she was told she was too fat.

That is as bigger bullying as anything. What the hell does their size have to do with talent. Oh thats right its tv and we have to put up with a perfect image for kids.

Yes, you're right but unfortunately image is everything these days. You look at one of the winners of Pop Idol who was told she wouldn't last past six months by Pete Waterman because she was on the large side and unfortunately he was right. It isn't right but it seems to be the way of things. What's really good though is that singers like Adele do prove that size really doesn't matter when you have a great voice.

[nebogipfel]

I also dislike snobs criticising others for the shows they watch. Rude and intolerant.

I'm happy to criticise the X Factor itself. I only saw one episode a few years ago and was shocked at how utterly beastly it was. Bullying is putting it mildly. My wife and I sat in increasingly blank faced silence - we were guests of friends who like it. I had expected it to be a bit of noisy fun (nothing wrong with that), but it was all rather nasty and exploitative.

They should do it like the baking contest. Nicely.

I don't think we need to worry about ratings. There'll be the usual huge overlap of families watching both. Just depends which they want to watch live. Interesting to see so many people recording the one with adverts, despite the thing about needing to keep up with live voting. (or is that an issue only in the latter episodes?)

[Granny McSmith]

Originally Posted by nebogipfel

I also dislike snobs criticising others for the shows they watch. Rude and intolerant.

I'm happy to criticise the X Factor itself. I only saw one episode a few years ago and was shocked at how utterly beastly it was. Bullying is putting it mildly. My wife and I sat in increasingly blank faced silence - we were guests of friends who like it. I had expected it to be a bit of noisy fun (nothing wrong with that), but it was all rather nasty and exploitative.

They should do it like the baking contest. Nicely.

I don't think we need to worry about ratings. There'll be the usual huge overlap of families watching both. Just depends which they want to watch live. Interesting to see so many people recording the one with adverts, despite the thing about needing to keep up with live voting. (or is that an issue only in the latter episodes?)

Possibly the one I saw where a couple of girls, sisters, not the brightest of buttons, had obviously been told by their family and friends that they could sing. They couldn't sing. Their upset at the treatment they received by the judges was awful to see. I have never watched the programme since.

My beef with it was, they could have been eliminated at a much earlier stage, in a much kinder way, but were obviously chosen for humiliation because it makes good telly.

Anyway, back on topic before I get whinged at - If DW and The X Factor do clash, it might make a bit of a dent in overnight ratings, but we're always being told that doesn't matter because people watch it by other means.

[johnnysaucepn]

Originally Posted by steven1977

That is as bigger bullying as anything. What the hell does their size have to do with talent. Oh thats right its tv and we have to put up with a perfect image for kids.

The X Factor isn't about talent alone, otherwise it would be called The Talent. They hedge their bets by referring to it as 'the x factor' or 'star quality', when the closest term would actually be 'marketability'.