[TheFridge]

Originally Posted by Tel69

I've been out all day snd so I've just seen the score. I see we can't blame the usual clowns for posting drivel in here when a new gang have arrived. Let's drop all of them and luck the undr 19's for the India series. Muppets.

Ye what muppets we are for thinking Strauss past his sell by date , outrageous opinion isn't it .

You should be careful who you call names to and challenge on here because as pathetic as it sounds certain poster/s that dish it out on a regular basis go crying to the mods when they get it back at them no matter how petty.

[TheFridge]

Originally Posted by PompeyBill

That's incredibly naive. You go on about the team moving on from the negative events, whilst also advocating bringing back the man who has caused them. Remember, this isn't a one off, Pietersen has left pretty much all of his teams under a cloud, so there comes a time when you have to look at the person rather than blame 'circumstances'. Its no use saying that his batting could influence a game whilst, at the same token, his presence destroys team spirit. By all accounts, this has been building up for a while amongst a few team members, not just Strauss so, for me, time to move on and get a team spirit going again. Its madness to reintroduce the person who, seemingly, has actually caused the team divisions in the first place.

Fair enough about the red tops.

But you still seem to be of the opinion that its all KPs fault , i dont buy that and if we are supposed to believe what our captain says he hasn't been aware of any problems in the camp prior to all this malarky.

You think its madness to have him back in the team , really ? thats the sort of opinion that made me think you buy into the tabliod hysteria , hes a once in a generation batsman who has a lot left to give England , for me its madness to leave him out , you just can't throw talent like that on the scrap heap for the sake of a few players not getting on its just mental to even think of it as a possibility , i couldn't give a damn if Broad,Swanns or whoevers noses are put out of joint , they are professionals sort it out and get on with it.

[jazzydrury3]

If South Africa move up to number 1 today, what kinda road, as in doing what in the future series, will we have to do to jump back to Number 1, Would beating India and New Zealand get us there

[jazzydrury3]

If South Africa move up to number 1 today, what kinda road, as in doing what in the future series, will we have to do to jump back to Number 1, Would beating India and New Zealand get us there

On a postive note, were Number 1, in ODI's, what will we have to do in that series to remain Number 1, i feel weve got a better chance in ODI's.

[Realale]

Originally Posted by Tel69

I've been out all day snd so I've just seen the score. I see we can't blame the usual clowns for posting drivel in here when a new gang have arrived. Let's drop all of them and luck the undr 19's for the India series. Muppets.

This thread gets worse the day, I only look in here to laugh at the drivel now, most of it is hilarious.

[Tel69]

Originally Posted by TheFridge

Ye what muppets we are for thinking Strauss past his sell by date , outrageous opinion isn't it .

You should be careful who you call names to and challenge on here because as pathetic as it sounds certain poster/s that dish it out on a regular basis go crying to the mods when they get it back at them no matter how petty.

Cry to the mods I'm only expressing the sheer stupidity of some of the stuff posted on here about Strauss. I believe he will continue to captain for another 18 months until after the Ashes in Australia. It's the knee jerk/ throw the baby out with the bath water approach that made us the poor side we used to be. We're still a good side but not the great one the media would have us believe.

[Thomas007]

Originally Posted by jazzydrury3

On a postive note, were Number 1, in ODI's, what will we have to do in that series to remain Number 1, i feel weve got a better chance in ODI's.

It's amazing that Graeme Swann and the like were calling for the end of ODI's! Until England became good at them of course.

[MarkBeales]

'England's lead is enormous', according to Henry Blofeld!

[seansnotmyname@]

Originally Posted by TheFridge

Ye what muppets we are for thinking Strauss past his sell by date , outrageous opinion isn't it .

You should be careful who you call names to and challenge on here because as pathetic as it sounds certain poster/s that dish it out on a regular basis go crying to the mods when they get it back at them no matter how petty.

What's pathetic is when people whine about legitimately using the report system, if the mods think it's irrelevant they'll ignore it, better that than make every thread a war-zone. I've never reported you btw.

The reason why lot's of people don't believe KP to be a victim, is the multiple times he has caused trouble. He's our best bat, but he's not once in a generation. Kallis, Tendulkar, Ponting, Clarke, Samaweera, Jayawardene, Trott, Sangakarra, Amla, Smith and Ponting all have better records, am I missing someone else?.

Bell gone, looked poor tbh. Phillander been brilliant.

[dtcdtcdtc]

Originally Posted by MarkBeales

'England's lead is enormous', according to Henry Blofeld!

England must be the name of his guide dog.......



I Agree that he's well past his sell by date

[seansnotmyname@]

Originally Posted by Thomas007

It's amazing that Graeme Swann and the like were calling for the end of ODI's! Until England became good at them of course.

Swann was top of the ODI bowling rankings at the time, so it was hardly self-interest. I think ending them is silly, but I'd be happy to see them reduced for t/20s.

[seansnotmyname@]

Originally Posted by Tel69

Cry to the mods I'm only expressing the sheer stupidity of some of the stuff posted on here about Strauss. I believe he will continue to captain for another 18 months until after the Ashes in Australia. It's the knee jerk/ throw the baby out with the bath water approach that made us the poor side we used to be. We're still a good side but not the great one the media would have us believe.

I've been a fan of Strauss for a while, but that's kind of why I want him to go, before his legacy is too tainted. Having said that on sober reflection there is no replacement, and it would be a tough start for a new captain in India.

and yes he did score runs against the Windies this Summer, but he's looked so out of sorts here.

[ACU]

Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@

Swann was top of the ODI bowling rankings at the time, so it was hardly self-interest. I think ending them is silly, but I'd be happy to see them reduced for t/20s.

Swann was a very good bowler. Not sure why hes all of a sudden become average. Maybe people have worked him out. Maybe he thought he was guaranteed a place in the team so didnt bother to put in the same amount of practice.

Hes got a great bowling coach in Mushy as part of the England setup, you would be stupid not to get as much out of him as you can.

I wouldnt want to see ODs reduced for T20. I think 2 T20 matches is enough for a series.

Does anyone know who decided the number of test matches, OD and T20 matches are held in a series? It does look a bit random. Maybe the ICC should standardise a series, and state how many matches of each format you play. Maybe have two types a full series and a half series. Thus the top teams have to play a full series, where a top team playing a lower team can play a half series. Just thinking out loud. I do think that this series deserved more test matches.

[Bhaveshgor]

Originally Posted by jazzydrury3

If South Africa move up to number 1 today, what kinda road, as in doing what in the future series, will we have to do to jump back to Number 1, Would beating India and New Zealand get us there

England won't be number 1 for least 18-20 months, England need to wait until the pakistan and the south african series to get dropped from the ranking period.

[Steveaustin316]

Although England can't win this game, a draw is very possible. Both teams lost their first 4 wickets for a low total and recovered in the 1st innings, no reason why it can't happen again.

Originally Posted by ACU

Does anyone know who decided the number of test matches, OD and T20 matches are held in a series? It does look a bit random. Maybe the ICC should standardise a series, and state how many matches of each format you play. Maybe have two types a full series and a half series. Thus the top teams have to play a full series, where a top team playing a lower team can play a half series. Just thinking out loud. I do think that this series deserved more test matches.

Isn't it up to the respective countries involved to decide the length of a tour and how many matches involved?

[MarkBeales]

Trott protecting his average while everybody else goes for the win

[Steveaustin316]

Does anyone else get the feeling that Bairstow will get out in the 90's for the second time in the game?

[Suzie_Granville]

Originally Posted by MarkBeales

Trott protecting his average while everybody else goes for the win

Current partnership 66 runs, 11.5 overs, RR: 5.57 (Trott 24, Bairstow 42)

[MarkBeales]

Originally Posted by Steveaustin316

Does anyone else get the feeling that Bairstow will get out in the 90's for the second time in the game?

Well he won't spend 40 minutes on 95 today!

[indiana44]

What to about Strauss is a difficult one ? Apart from these couple of hundreds against the West Indies his batting has been in a trough for a considerable time with his average on a general slide till it is now below 41, which given where it was at one time shows he must have been averaging well below 40 over quite a number of years. This is not good enough..

Cook, Pietersen and Bell remain with averages in the high 40s with Trott from fewer tests just over 50 and indeed Prior averaging over 42, and whist opening is a unique task the divergence is becoming too much..

Runswise Srauss has generally not been cutting the mustard for an England opener for the last few years.

To question this and and the very poor way he is often getting dismissed seems to me perfectly reasonable.

The question is should he be replaced for the winter, and on balance I would say no.

The KP sitaution adds a complication, probably to Strauss's benefit, in that it must be is politically very difficult to drop him at this time.

However, ultimately Strauss himself has to produce runs, he is not such a great captain that this can continually carry him through further batting failure.

So leave in place for now, but I can see Cook taking over in the next year or so.

I am not sure though who the best candidate(s) would be for opener, being a bit loathe to movre Trott and / or Bell up the order.

[garbage456]

well already in this one game, i have seen more in Bairstow than that hopeless Bopara.

[garbage456]

Cook is the new captain in waiting, and I think he should be made ASAP,

but who do we replace with Strauss ?

[Steveaustin316]

Originally Posted by jazzydrury3

get us there
On a postive note, were Number 1, in ODI's, what will we have to do in that series to remain Number 1, i feel weve got a better chance in ODI's.

We aren't number 1 in ODI's, we missed out on that due to the abandoned game at Edgbaston against Australia.

[garbage456]

16-06-2012, 13:31 #803
garbage456
Forum Member


why the hell are they playing Bottle it Bopara and not Bang Bang Bairstow?

[seansnotmyname@]

Originally Posted by ACU;60558083[B

]Swann was a very good bowler. Not sure why hes all of a sudden become average.[/b] Maybe people have worked him out. Maybe he thought he was guaranteed a place in the team so didnt bother to put in the same amount of practice.

Hes got a great bowling coach in Mushy as part of the England setup, you would be stupid not to get as much out of him as you can.

I wouldnt want to see ODs reduced for T20. I think 2 T20 matches is enough for a series.

Does anyone know who decided the number of test matches, OD and T20 matches are held in a series? It does look a bit random. Maybe the ICC should standardise a series, and state how many matches of each format you play. Maybe have two types a full series and a half series. Thus the top teams have to play a full series, where a top team playing a lower team can play a half series. Just thinking out loud. I do think that this series deserved more test matches.

Has a recurring shoulder injury which he needs an op on, clearly isn't completing his action, so he's not getting the spin he used to generate, it could be a big problem for him.


As for scheduling it seems bizzarre, we had to fit in that silly Oz series, just so we could get a similar series in Oz for preparation of the WC. It all seems rather complicated. Most countries want to play in England for the revenue we generate, and it being off-season for most because of the hemispheres. So it's a tough juggling act.