[Lewnaticc]

Isn't this girl Lacey from Hollyoaks?

[Lowri]

As fun as that might have been, there's no point throwing your freedom away like that. He should have worn gloves

No mention whatsoever about any hint of Harry leaving

[squirts mum]

If it had been me I wouldn't have worn gloves, I'd want to be caught to let society know what he'd done to my daughter. Very disturbing but an excellent episode, unfortunately all to real.

[15 minutes]

Edited ending for the love of her life All will be revealed in about two minutes at the start of the next series.

And will Leo still be such a casanova???

[Lewnaticc]

I'm watching it 15 minutes behind... The blonde girl and her friend and Eunice(?), was it a flashback or something?

[shanders]

Originally Posted by 4smiffy

Tom's last episode? I'm gutted!

Originally Posted by claire2281

As far a we know, yes.

It was announced a couple of weeks ago that he was leaving. It was said that apparently he and Nikki make a go of things, it doesn't work out and he leaves to work in America. It also stated that the postponed episode was his last.

That means either they've reshot and edited the end of this or all we'll get about Harry's departure is a few lines at the start of next series. Which is anti-climatic tbh!

was this two-parter always the last 2 eps of series 13 (or whatever series we're up to) or was it meant to be from earlier in the run - in which case if it was out of order it wouldn't have had Harry's leaving in it...

[claire2281]

Originally Posted by Lowri

No mention whatsoever about any hint of Harry leaving

He is DEFINITELY leaving as there's been a BBC press release about it.

The news article that quoted that release then says that he leaves after making a go of things with Nikki, they fail, he gets a job in America...Where that info comes from I don't know. Maybe the press release too.

But they said this was his last ep. So either that's the last we'll see of him (which is a ridiculous ending for his character tbh) or he'll be only in the first ep of the new series.

EDIT: According the the fan site, Tom decided to leave AFTER production was finished on S15 and so they couldn't do a proper exit for Harry (ffs man would it have killed you to come back for one ep!)

[gurney-slade]

As these were episodes 3/4 in a series of 12 (6 x 2-parters) there wouldn't have been any mention of Harry leaving.

[malcy30]

Originally Posted by shanders

was this two-parter always the last 2 eps of series 13 (or whatever series we're up to) or was it meant to be from earlier in the run - in which case if it was out of order it wouldn't have had Harry's leaving in it...

This was supposed to be mid run, but was pulled as was originally scheduled mid trial of the Asian grooming court case in Liverpool, so the BBC considered prejudicial.

As said above Harry only said he was leaving after all the filming was complete, but that was an online rumour he had agreed to come back and do an exit scene to be added to the end of this episode. Obviously not the case.

[Ethel_Fred]

Originally Posted by susieroe

Could I just clarify. The BNP campaigned for around a decade to bring this abuse, and the refusal of the police to do something, into public awareness, but were dismissed as racists. They were not climbing on the bandwagon, quite the reverse.

Odd the BNP didn't protest this case - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ju...services-child

[Sherlock_Holmes]

Originally Posted by terrie1957

This would be a very good episode to show to all young girls in secondary schools.
It would highlight the possible dangers that "facebook" and all these other social media sites that our youngsters seem to be addicted to.

In The Netherlands there is currently a murder trial named `The Facebook Murder´ taking place (Chinese youngsters ordering a hit after a girl posted a negative remark on her facebook page).

[savsg]

It annoys me how the word 'Asian' is chucked about when referring to these Pakistani Muslim paedophiles. British Indians (Hindus and Sikhs) do not engage in this behaviour at all and find it just as abhorrent as white British people. All of the cases involving young English girls being groomed by paedophiles involve Pakistani individuals.

This isn't an 'Asian' issue; it's a Pakistani Muslim issue and points to some serious underlying issues within the British Pakistani community. The term 'Asian' unfairly lumps all other Asians in with this disgusting Pakistani cultural tendency toward paedophilia.

[Semierotic]

So Harry won't be seen at all in the next series? Bet the writers are kicking themselves they didn't have at least one year of a full-on romance with Nikki.

[Max Demian]

Originally Posted by squirts mum

I'm finding it very disturbing, I'm originally from an area where this practice was very common when I was a teenager and I'm now in my mid forties.

I notice that no-one has suggested that teenage girls be a little less easy.

[miss buzzybee]

Very dark episode. They should tie up how Harry left at the start of the next season, I know this episode was out of sequence but loose ends man!

[MrGiles2]

I found these two episodes quite strong in their content.

I actually cheered when then stepfather battered the gangleader with a golf club. Alright, two wrongs do not make a right, but this scum deserved what he got in the end. The stepfather should be given a medal for his bravery.

I was also sorry to hear that Harry will no longer be in future series, assuming that more will be made. After all, it has been running for fifteen series, so perhaps BBC may be thinking about wrapping this one up considering all the so called budget cuts in future productions.

[miss buzzybee]

Originally Posted by Max Demian

I notice that no-one has suggested that teenage girls be a little less easy.

and how would you teach that?

This was the final ever scene with Harry in from the episode Fear

http://youtu.be/4qq--bRyjEc

[mills705]

Interesting 2nd part. I was glad that the step dad got his revenge. I know I would do the same if i was in his shoes!

I agree- its very much a Pakistani muslim thing and not just an asian thing.
They treat Western girls very much as easy targets as they know they will more than likely be more willing to do things than muslim girls.
And the western girls like them as they are very much 'hip and cool' in the fact they are often blinged up etc. Its a deprived area thing I believe where the girls families are very disjointed and they do not really see much of one another where this occurs

[nomad2king]

Originally Posted by Ethel_Fred

Odd the BNP didn't protest this case - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ju...services-child

Very different situation because,

there was no connection between the men, the investigation found.

They were acting separately, no threats or use of violence, no passing around to others.

[RichmondBlue]

I thought it was ok, perfectly believable given the real-life cases that have been in the news.
But as entertainment, it was a bit dull..in my opinion. There was little tension, and no mystery. It was fairly obvious how things would turn out in the end.
The only little surprise was Sanjeev from the Kumars, beating Guppy from Casualty, to death at the end.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Max Demian

I notice that no-one has suggested that teenage girls be a little less easy.

Isn't that essentially the same thing these child rapists say when looking for an excuse for their crimes ?

"The girls were up for it ?"

Actually, you're not the first to say that - anyone who saw the 'Questiontime' that followed the conviction of the Rochdale gang (12/05/12 ?) would have heard Peter Oborne, who is amongst other things a Daily Telegraph commentator, say the following: -

"What was involved in this case ?..... One thing was the young girls who accepted the advances of these men... .and were happy to give up their affection and beauty to these men in exchange for a packet of crisps."

For some reason he escaped without anyone criticising him that night. He had an ulterior motive for those comments - he would not accept that this was a racist crime at all. So he did what many deniers of the truth do - deflect attention and blame the victims instead.

Reality check: - members of that gang were found guilty of repeatedly raping a 13 year old girl.

p.s.

Not forgeting Silent Witness.

These 2 episodes were about par for a series that relied far too often on clichéd plot devices, too many coincidences, and in this case the 'simple giant with a heart' character.

[Miriam_R]

Originally Posted by MR. Macavity

It was part of the recent series, but was dropped due to an ongoing trial at the time of intended broadcast.

Wondering whether the episode may have been re-edited slightly regarding Leo's series story arc?

Agree it was uncomfortable viewing at times.

I was wondering when they were going to show this two part episode and am glad they eventually did. While it was tough viewing I think these stories need to be told (as just one aspect of the bigger picture of abuse of this nature, by whatever race or gender of person being the focus). I think it was perhaps the best episode of the series.

Some friends of mine were wondering if this would make people naturally dislike or become prejudical towards Asian people (esp men) after this but any intelligent minded person knows that people of whatever skin colour/enthic background rapes and absues so this story is not one that would make anyone think that Asian men are the only people that rape young girls, and that it's not just girls, and white ones at that, that get raped. You be thick if you this episode was the only truth in our society.

Have to say I thought the girl that was formerly Lauren Branning in Eastenders was unrecognisable from soap to this, and I say that in a compliment to her playing of her part.

[RichmondBlue]

Originally Posted by Severian

Isn't that essentially the same thing these child rapists say when looking for an excuse for their crimes ?

"The girls were up for it ?"

Actually, you're not the first to say that - anyone who saw the 'Questiontime' that followed the conviction of the Rochdale gang (12/05/12 ?) would have heard Peter Oborne, who is amongst other things a Daily Telegraph commentator, say the following: -

"What was involved in this case ?..... One thing was the young girls who accepted the advances of these men... .and were happy to give up their affection and beauty to these men in exchange for a packet of crisps."

For some reason he escaped without anyone criticising him that night. He had an ulterior motive for those comments - he would not accept that this was a racist crime at all. So he did what many deniers of the truth do - deflect attention and blame the victims instead.

Reality check: - members of that gang were found guilty of repeatedly raping a 13 year old girl.

p.s.

Not forgeting Silent Witness.

These 2 episodes were about par for a series that relied far too often on clichéd plot devices, too many coincidences, and in this case the 'simple giant with a heart' character.

I agree with what you say. But there were also worrying aspects to this programme. In the first episode, several of the girls seemed perfectly comfortable with the men taking pornographic, up skirt, shots of them. Posing in provocative underwear etc. That was before the use of any drugs. In the shopping mall scenes, one of them was quite willing to go in the changing room to "fool around". They had only met these guys an hour or so earlier !
Personally, I think that was a gross exaggeration of the behaviour of the young girls who have been caught in this type of sordid trap. But if I'm wrong, perhaps Osborne had a point ?

[Severian]

Originally Posted by RichmondBlue

I agree with what you say. But there were also worrying aspects to this programme. In the first episode, several of the girls seemed perfectly comfortable with the men taking pornographic, up skirt, shots of them. Posing in provocative underwear etc. That was before the use of any drugs. In the shopping mall scenes, one of them was quite willing to go in the changing room to "fool around". They had only met these guys an hour or so earlier !
Personally, I think that was a gross exaggeration of the behaviour of the young girls who have been caught in this type of sordid trap. But if I'm wrong, perhaps Osborne had a point ?

Aren't you confusing fact and fiction here ?

What you are describing as 'worrying aspects' were those scenes portrayed in a work of fiction. How can you believe that because it takes place in a TV series, it translates directly to real life ?

Oborne was placing a large part of the blame onto the victims of these despicable, violent crimes. Please look at the crimes the Rochdale gang (and other similar gangs) were convicted of, and the ages of the victims. They used drugs and alcohol on these girls. Thankfully the law doesn't think Mr. P. Oborne has a point.

[RichmondBlue]

Originally Posted by Severian

Aren't you confusing fact and fiction here ?

What you are describing as 'worrying aspects' were those scenes portrayed in a work of fiction. How can you believe that because it takes place in a TV series, it translates directly to real life ?

Oborne was placing a large part of the blame onto the victims of these despicable, violent crimes. Please look at the crimes the Rochdale gang (and other similar gangs) were convicted of, and the ages of the victims. They used drugs and alcohol on these girls. Thankfully the law doesn't think Mr. P. Oborne has a point.

No, that's why I said the fictional depiction of the permissive nature of the girls was a gross exaggeration.
I just said IF the girls had behaved in that fashion in any of the real life cases, Osborne might have had a point.
I think the fictional depiction of the girls character in this production was worrying, and could leave people with the wrong impression..unless I'm very out of touch it didn't appear the normal behaviour of 14 year old school girls.