[GerriP]

Anyone who thinks this is even remotely acceptabel or funny needs to read the open letter from Holy Moly to the people who did this. Sums it far more elquently than I could.

As for 'it's just what happens' since when has that that ever been an excuse?

[rbautz]

Originally Posted by GerriP

Anyone who thinks this is even remotely acceptabel or funny needs to read the open letter from Holy Moly to the people who did this. Sums it far more elquently than I could.

As for 'it's just what happens' since when has that that ever been an excuse?

And here is it in full:


It’s more of a slow handclap but…
Mon, 20/08/2012 - 11:44 by Tim Chipping
You've probably all seen the story that Cher Lloyd was bottled off at V Festival. And you'll have read reports that some of those bottles and cups contained piss. And you may have cracked a smirk at the inevitability of it all and the fact that poor old Cher can’t seem to catch a break. But I’ve been at V when the piss is flying about, and it’s far from funny. In fact, it’s disgusting, pathetic and kind of unfathomable that anyone pays £180 for a ticket to a music festival just to spend the weekend drenching strangers in their own urine.



But maybe we’re not seeing the whole picture. Maybe we’re only seeing it from the point of view of someone who, whilst waiting to watch Amy Winehouse perform at V Festival in 2008, saw a young girl of no more than 14 or 15 years old – her hair soaked in some drunk idiot’s urine – crying because not only was she now going to miss Amy but she had to go home. She had to leave the festival stinking of a stranger’s piss, with piss in her eyes and her mouth and all over her hair and top. That was it for her. Money down the toilet, and the toilet all over her. We don’t think we’re going too far in saying it’s pretty close to being a sexual assault, isn’t it? For a man to chuck his piss all over a girl… what else is it if not some deeply disturbed, remote, sexualy motivated assault? It's just a theory.

But as we said, maybe our view has been distorted by that experience. So if you were one of the people who got their penis out at V Festival this year. If you got your penis out in public, and then you did a piss into a cup or a bottle, and then you threw that cup or bottle at the stage or into the crowd, knowing your actual urine would drench complete strangers, did you tell your parents what you’d been up to when you got home today?

Did your mum help you off with your rucksack and say, “How was V Festival, darling? Did you have a good time watching all the music and that?”

And did you reply, “It was brilliant mum. I got my penis out in public and I pissed into a cup. And then, this was the best bit, I threw that cup of my piss into the crowd in the sure and certain knowledge that my piss would soak some complete strangers and that they would have to spend the next few hours stinking of my piss and that their festival experience would almost certainly be ruined by me and my piss.”

And did your mum smile? Did a small tear well up in one eye? And did she say, “That’s fantastic son. I’m so proud of you. This is exactly why me and your father love you so much. This is what I hoped when I carried you in my womb for nine months, and why I endured the agonising pain of childbirth, and didn’t let you out of my sight for a second after you were born – protecting you from any harm that might come to you. And this is why me and your dad worked every hour we could, so that we could provide everything you needed, and why we helped you when you were struggling with your Maths homework that time. And this is why we remortgaged the house to help send you to university so you could get the best job possible. Son, you have just made all that worthwhile by telling us how you exposed yourself in a field full of people, urinated into a cup instead of going to the toilet like a normal person and then covered some strangers in your piss. Possibly some of the strangers were young girls, who will have been traumatised by it. We can only hope.

"Oh if only your Nana and Grandad were still alive to know that you did a wee into a cup or bottle and then chucked it at some strangers. It would make their hearts swell, because they loved you so much and carried your photo with them wherever they went. And I know that the one thing they wanted was that you would grow up to be the kind of man who would spend the best part of two hundred quid on a ticket to a pop concert and then spend your time there covering people in your own waste like a ****ing mentally deranged animal. You are a credit to your family.”

And the answer to that very long question is “no”. We have to point that out because anyone responsible for throwing bottles and cups and piss at V Festival is too stupid to understand sarcasm



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[K2k]

For a festival attendee, being hit with a bottle of piss is probably not the worst thing that could happen to you at a festival.

I think the drugs (legal and non legal), alcohol, rioting, fighting, fires (both intentional and accidental), being crushed in the crowd, lack of shade and high water prices are all much bigger concerns.

Being in an area of thousands of drunken people with little crowd control isn't exactly the safest experience and people need to be aware of this if they send their kids to a festival unsupervised.

And to suggest that any student or teenage would come home and tell their mum what they really got up to at a festival is laughable.

[bitchboyblue]

I went to ozzfest in 2002, specifically to see band called 'tool', who I loved. just before they came on there was a huge bottle fight, with people just flinging bottles all over the crowd. I didn't care, I was just excited to see kmy favourite band for the 1st time. then *smack* got hit the back of the head by a (glass) bottle. it shattered on impact leaving me knocked out, a huge cut on my head, and bleeding everywhere. This resulted in me needing stitches, missing the gig and indeed the rest of the festival. I'm no wimp but it made me, and still does, fearful of festivals, and especially going down the front. Indeed I did manage to go to reading the following year, but stayed back. I'm glad I did as 'good charlotte' got bottled and I saw 2 people come out from the front with blood covered faces. I don't like cher Lloyd but feel much sympathy for her, as it is very scary.

[warszawa]

I'm sure these who think it's fine would be happy for their girlfriends/sisters/daughters to be pelted with bottles of piss, were they on stage.

[Kiko H Fan]

Originally Posted by bitchboyblue

I went to ozzfest in 2002, specifically to see band called 'tool', who I loved. just before they came on there was a huge bottle fight, with people just flinging bottles all over the crowd. I didn't care, I was just excited to see kmy favourite band for the 1st time. then *smack* got hit the back of the head by a (glass) bottle. it shattered on impact leaving me knocked out, a huge cut on my head, and bleeding everywhere. This resulted in me needing stitches, missing the gig and indeed the rest of the festival. I'm no wimp but it made me, and still does, fearful of festivals, and especially going down the front. Indeed I did manage to go to reading the following year, but stayed back. I'm glad I did as 'good charlotte' got bottled and I saw 2 people come out from the front with blood covered faces. I don't like cher Lloyd but feel much sympathy for her, as it is very scary.

All the festivals I went to in the 80s and 90s were plastic bottles only. How did they get a glass one in?

[K2k]

Originally Posted by bitchboyblue

I went to ozzfest in 2002, specifically to see band called 'tool', who I loved. just before they came on there was a huge bottle fight, with people just flinging bottles all over the crowd. I didn't care, I was just excited to see kmy favourite band for the 1st time. then *smack* got hit the back of the head by a (glass) bottle. it shattered on impact leaving me knocked out, a huge cut on my head, and bleeding everywhere. This resulted in me needing stitches, missing the gig and indeed the rest of the festival. I'm no wimp but it made me, and still does, fearful of festivals, and especially going down the front. Indeed I did manage to go to reading the following year, but stayed back. I'm glad I did as 'good charlotte' got bottled and I saw 2 people come out from the front with blood covered faces. I don't like cher Lloyd but feel much sympathy for her, as it is very scary.

Metal / Rock festivals are the worst. I'm glad they have banned glass bottles now. Plastic bottles don't hurt as much!

[Kiko H Fan]

Originally Posted by K2k

Metal / Rock festivals are the worst. I'm glad they have banned glass bottles now. Plastic bottles don't hurt as much!

Having been to metal and rock festivals since the 80s, I have never seen glass bottles there. It's always been plastic bottles, to carry in and sold onsite.

[Sifter22]

V seemed to have loads of pop acts this year. Would be a festival I'd probably avoid anyway. Cher just needs to suck it up and accept she should not have been there.

[Kiko H Fan]

Originally Posted by Sifter22

V seemed to have loads of pop acts this year. Would be a festival I'd probably avoid anyway. Cher just needs to suck it up and accept she should not have been there.

You'd have thought that after years of slogging it round grim pubs and clubs, up and down the M1 in a clapped out Transit van, paying her dues, that she'd be used to stuff like that.

[SCDchick]

Originally Posted by phil solo

Of course not. Not all chavs are piss-throwers, but throwing piss most certainly makes you a chav.

Not big, not clever, and an unpleasant aspect of the British festival scene that is rarely encountered elsewhere.

We truly are an island of scumbags, from the very top of society (thieving bankers, corrupt politicians etc.) to the bottom, as is amply demonstrated whenever we leave this septic isle to trash some misbegotten Mediterranean holiday resort - the French must rue agreeing to the tunnel every day of their lives.

Definetly. No suprised that some people leave this country for another one

[Semierotic]

Originally Posted by finbaar

I really can’t see the problem with the crowd booing and throwing bottles of piss. What is wrong with that? It would be great if this really knocked her confidence and she never performed again.

[QWERTYOP]

There's an old saying - "at festivals, sometimes people throw bottles of piss". Twas ever thus. No biggie.

[PaleHorse]

But I thought she was hard as nails

You mean the music lied!?

[Glowbot]

I was at a festival when Daphne and Celeste were bottled, they dealt with it like troopers. To be honest the bottles were launched in quite good spirits and a result of the hot weather, nasty toilets, too much drink and boredom.

Poor girl is just a kid still, even though for anyone that would be unpleasant. Someone launched in to the public eye from nowhere. I don't know what she has really done to deserve the awful things people say to her, they should be directed at the talent shows and pop industry imo. Perhaps that Swagger Jagger "I am a victim" stuff has made her a target as much as "oohstick you" did for the (sadly missed, by me) Daphne and Celeste RIP.

[Charlottesweb]

Originally Posted by Alrightmate

You can probably get away with it if your ability and talent is of a high enough calibre. But quite often this is not the case.
Get cocky or mouthy with the public by all means, but you do it at your own risk.

Its not just that, sometimes it can just be the wrong act infront of the wrong crowd.

I saw it when James played Alton Towers , that was somewhere in the early 2000's., 2002 maybe, they had PIL supporting them, which was just the wrong music entirely, Lyden got bottles thrown at him (plastic) and booed so badly they gave up, and left the stage shouting F..k off down the mike.

[MrMeatAndPotato]

Speaking of piss...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7xX8...ature=youtu.be



Bloody hell.

[DavetheScot]

God, the justifications posted on this thread are dismal. "People always chuck piss at festivals.....it's not the worst thing that can happen....she's crap anyway haha"

This might well be a regular occurence at festivals. All sorts of reprehensible things occur regularly, usually because a certain percentage of humanity are horrible. The regularity with which they happen doesn't make them less reprehensible.

No, it's not the worst thing that can happen. But that's always pretty flimsy. Having your house burgled and finding that the burglar has had a shit on your bed isn't as bad as having a blowtorch applied to your genitals, or so I'd imagine, having experienced neither, but it's safe to say both are unpleasant experiences. Getting piss all over you might rank lower than either, but it's still unpleasant and there's no need for it.

She may or may not be crap; that's a matter of opinion. But disliking someone doesn't mean you have the right to treat them in such a revolting way. If you did have the right to do that, where would it end? Maybe some of the very posters who think Cher Lloyd deserved what she got might find that some people find them pretty annoying too; are they up for getting showered in piss any time someone feels like doing that?

[barneyb]

Originally Posted by DavetheScot

God, the justifications posted on this thread are dismal. "People always chuck piss at festivals.....it's not the worst thing that can happen....she's crap anyway haha"

This might well be a regular occurence at festivals. All sorts of reprehensible things occur regularly, usually because a certain percentage of humanity are horrible. The regularity with which they happen doesn't make them less reprehensible.

No, it's not the worst thing that can happen. But that's always pretty flimsy. Having your house burgled and finding that the burglar has had a shit on your bed isn't as bad as having a blowtorch applied to your genitals, or so I'd imagine, having experienced neither, but it's safe to say both are unpleasant experiences. Getting piss all over you might rank lower than either, but it's still unpleasant and there's no need for it.

She may or may not be crap; that's a matter of opinion. But disliking someone doesn't mean you have the right to treat them in such a revolting way. If you did have the right to do that, where would it end? Maybe some of the very posters who think Cher Lloyd deserved what she got might find that some people find them pretty annoying too; are they up for getting showered in piss any time someone feels like doing that?

THIS !!!

[K2k]

Originally Posted by DavetheScot

God, the justifications posted on this thread are dismal. "People always chuck piss at festivals.....it's not the worst thing that can happen....she's crap anyway haha"

This might well be a regular occurence at festivals. All sorts of reprehensible things occur regularly, usually because a certain percentage of humanity are horrible. The regularity with which they happen doesn't make them less reprehensible.

No, it's not the worst thing that can happen. But that's always pretty flimsy. Having your house burgled and finding that the burglar has had a shit on your bed isn't as bad as having a blowtorch applied to your genitals, or so I'd imagine, having experienced neither, but it's safe to say both are unpleasant experiences. Getting piss all over you might rank lower than either, but it's still unpleasant and there's no need for it.

She may or may not be crap; that's a matter of opinion. But disliking someone doesn't mean you have the right to treat them in such a revolting way. If you did have the right to do that, where would it end? Maybe some of the very posters who think Cher Lloyd deserved what she got might find that some people find them pretty annoying too; are they up for getting showered in piss any time someone feels like doing that?

No one has the right to do this sort of this, but it won't stop it from happening. This is something that has been happening for decades. It is not something specific to Britain or a specific group of people.

The fact that this is a common occurrence means that people who attend these festivals know this is a risk and go anyway, both attendees and performers. If it wasn't pee, it would be a bottle of beer or water. The fact that people are aware of what happens at festivals, means that they can make the decision to attend or not. There are plenty of bars people wouldn't go into as they don't like the behaviour of the customers and there are plenty of other people who would go to that bar.

What can people actually do about it? Add more security? Sell drinks in paper cups only?

[OhDamm]

I remember this and loved his reaction .... 1.42 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTuaNEFaQTQ

[DavetheScot]

Originally Posted by K2k

No one has the right to do this sort of this, but it won't stop it from happening. This is something that has been happening for decades. It is not something specific to Britain or a specific group of people.

The fact that this is a common occurrence means that people who attend these festivals know this is a risk and go anyway, both attendees and performers. If it wasn't pee, it would be a bottle of beer or water. The fact that people are aware of what happens at festivals, means that they can make the decision to attend or not. There are plenty of bars people wouldn't go into as they don't like the behaviour of the customers and there are plenty of other people who would go to that bar.

What can people actually do about it? Add more security? Sell drinks in paper cups only?

Actually, I'm not sure rough bars are a good comparison. If a bar regularly has incidents, it's apt to lose its license. It's happened to a lot of bars round my area. And yes, one of the stages in the road might well be the bar being told to improve security or else.

The equivalent treatment would be for festival organisers to be told that if such incidents continue, the festivals won't be allowed to happen again.