[daniel9624]

I think they should just have CCTV relevent to the story in the cut-scenes, rather than random footage, like the wiretap section.

[carl.waring]

Originally Posted by brangdon

The visual style of the surveillance is already annoying me. We understand the premise; they don't need to keep repeating it.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this If they cut out all these un-necessary bit they could add a good minute or two of plot-line to each episode.

[petely]

Originally Posted by gilesb

It seems really strange that the main guy can just go around driving trucks in to people, shooting people in a laundrette and such like and the police not be able to get any footage of him or be able to track him down. I find that bit quite annoying.

Yes, that's the sort of thing you get in cartoons (just when you need a frying pan to hit someone in the face with, someone conveniently draws one for you ), but it's out of place in a show like this.
I do hope this cat and mouse chase between hobo-guy and limp-guy to try and reveal his personal life doesn't drag on. It's not particularly entertaining after the first scene.
Fortunately the crime-of-the-week in the first two shows has had a degree of originality to them, which, for me, is what saves the show.

[geordielady]

Seems ok, but feel its just another monster of the week style show that I will lose interest in, it needs a big ongoing background story but doubt that will happen.

[TWS]

Originally Posted by geordielady

Seems ok, but feel its just another monster of the week style show that I will lose interest in, it needs a big ongoing background story but doubt that will happen.

Of course it happens almost every single show I can think of has an overall story arc, as has been said several times this show does too

[dlmccabe]

Originally Posted by daniel9624

I think they should just have CCTV relevent to the story in the cut-scenes, rather than random footage, like the wiretap section.

the 'random' pieces of footage are a build up to the background of the two main characters, they are quite important as the show moves along. This becomes much clearer as the season progresses.

[CD93]

Originally Posted by geordielady

Seems ok, but feel its just another monster of the week style show that I will lose interest in, it needs a big ongoing background story but doubt that will happen.

Oh you have no idea.

[daniel9624]

Originally Posted by dlmccabe

the 'random' pieces of footage are a build up to the background of the two main characters, they are quite important as the show moves along. This becomes much clearer as the season progresses.

That's what I thought, didn't notice any having relevance in the pilot, but in Ep 2 it seemed they were much more part of the story

[geordielady]

Originally Posted by TWS

Of course it happens almost every single show I can think of has an overall story arc, as has been said several times this show does too

Well I have only watched 2 episodes and its clearly nothing more then MOTW style show but of course it may change as it progesses. Many of these things that JJ Abrams has been involved in recently have been poor MOTW style shows so personally cant see that changing.

[TWS]

Originally Posted by geordielady

Well I have only watched 2 episodes and its clearly nothing more then MOTW style show but of course it may change as it progesses. Many of these things that JJ Abrams has been involved in recently have been poor MOTW style shows so personally cant see that changing.

As stated numerous times a lot of US show dont develop the arc until a few episodes in so new viewers can slot in easily, having watched all 22 eps this was my fave show of last year - this has numerous storylines that develop throughout the eps

[MoreTears]

Originally Posted by geordielady

Well I have only watched 2 episodes and its clearly nothing more then MOTW style show but of course it may change as it progesses. Many of these things that JJ Abrams has been involved in recently have been poor MOTW style shows so personally cant see that changing.

You are a fan of Fringe, right? That looked like a "MOTW show" at the start, didn't it? One had to stick with it a while to see the story arc form. Same thing with Person Of Interest. People keep telling you this but you don't seem to be listening.

[CD93]

Originally Posted by MoreTears

You are a fan of Fringe, right? That looked like a "MOTW show" at the start, didn't it? One had to stick with it a while to see the story arc form. Same thing with Person Of Interest. People keep telling you this but you don't seem to be listening.

You would think those who have actually watched the series all the way through would know what they are talking about..

[Anna_123]

Hey guys,

Watched 2 episodes of this show and I am still undecided whether or not to stay with it or not?

Was it not the most watched pilot in America? (or something along those lines??)

I was so looking forward to it as Jim Caviezel is in it ….but I’m not sure even that will maintain my interest.

I had the option of watching it at the US pace but then when I heard 5 was airing it, decided to wait. What do others think who have seen the whole series? To stick with or not???

[geordielady]

Originally Posted by Anna_123

Hey guys,

Watched 2 episodes of this show and I am still undecided whether or not to stay with it or not?

Was it not the most watched pilot in America? (or something along those lines??)

I was so looking forward to it as Jim Caviezel is in it ….but I’m not sure even that will maintain my interest.I had the option of watching it at the US pace but then when I heard 5 was airing it, decided to wait. What do others think who have seen the whole series? To stick with or not???

I feel the same but those who has watched it "by others means" seems to say its worth staying with.
I still reserve judgement mainly because the last few series JJ has been involved in have been total fails.

[geordielady]

Originally Posted by MoreTears

You are a fan of Fringe, right? That looked like a "MOTW show" at the start, didn't it? One had to stick with it a while to see the story arc form. Same thing with Person Of Interest. People keep telling you this but you don't seem to be listening.

Only one person responded to my origional post and they stated every single series has a story arc so I took that with a pinch of salt as IMO most new shows have anything but a decent story arc. Fringe is maybe the one exception.
I will give it a few more episodes but my gut is telling me its just gonna be too "stand alone episodes" for my liking.

[TWS]

Originally Posted by geordielady

Only one person responded to my origional post and they stated every single series has a story arc so I took that with a pinch of salt as IMO most new shows have anything but a decent story arc. Fringe is maybe the one exception.
I will give it a few more episodes but my gut is telling me its just gonna be too "stand alone episodes" for my liking.

most shows do have a series arc, cant see why you are confused by that?

[geordielady]

Originally Posted by TWS

most shows do have a series arc, cant see why you are confused by that?

Clearly what you call a series arc and what I call a series arc are two different things.: so no confusion at all on my part.

But as I said will give it a few mroe episodes but considering this show has 23 episodes and all the good stuff is returning next month may not have time to fit it in my viewing schedule.
I use the "distraction factor" as a guide, if I start getting distracted the show is not good enough for me to watch, and episode 2 that was starting to happen and my mind was starting to wander.

[TWS]

Originally Posted by geordielady

Clearly what you call a series arc and what I call a series arc are two different things.: so no confusion at all on my part.

But as I said will give it a few mroe episodes but considering this show has 23 episodes and all the good stuff is returning next month may not have time to fit it in my viewing schedule.
I use the "distraction factor" as a guide, if I start getting distracted the show is not good enough for me to watch, and episode 2 that was starting to happen and my mind was starting to wander.

no a series arc is a series arc it either exists or it doesnt, whether it is good or bad is an entirely different matter, you are saying one doesnt exist i am saying it does as it does in most series.

You never asked if it was decent or what happened just if it had one which it does.

[geordielady]

Originally Posted by TWS

no a series arc is a series arc it either exists or it doesnt, whether it is good or bad is an entirely different matter, you are saying one doesnt exist i am saying it does as it does in most series. You never asked if it was decent or what happened just if it had one which it does.

A series arc is an ongoing story line which takes place across the whole season and is the major part of the show
Most shows dont have that at all so you are wrong, your getting confused with a background story which is different.

Shows are made now without series arcs so people can dip in and out of them without having to worry too much about what is going on to keep up ratings, this is one problem fringe had as many people just could not keep up with it if they did not watch it each week. Fringe is maybe one of the only shows recently that has a proper series arc.

Persons of interest may well have this but on the first 2 episodes it apppears not to, just a backgroung story with the flashbacks, also more recent JJ abrams shows are heavy on MOTW style rather then a major story arc so another indication it may not have.
As I said before I will give it a few more episodes but feel its just another show where they dig out some person off this machine and save the day at the end of the episode, loop and repeat for 23 episodes with a bit of background stuff thrown in, that may suit many people but I need somehing a bit deeper to fuly enjoy it.

[TWS]

Originally Posted by geordielady

A series arc is an ongoing story line which takes place across the whole season and is the major part of the show
Most shows dont have that at all so you are wrong, your getting confused with a background story which is different.

Shows are made now without series arcs so people can dip in and out of them without having to worry too much about what is going on to keep up ratings, this is one problem fringe had as many people just could not keep up with it if they did not watch it each week. Fringe is maybe one of the only shows recently that has a proper series arc.

Persons of interest may well have this but on the first 2 episodes it apppears not to, just a backgroung story with the flashbacks, also more recent JJ abrams shows are heavy on MOTW style rather then a major story arc so another indication it may not have.
As I said before I will give it a few more episodes but feel its just another show where they dig out some person off this machine and save the day at the end of the episode, loop and repeat for 23 episodes with a bit of background stuff thrown in, that may suit many people but I need somehing a bit deeper to fuly enjoy it.

i know what one is and most shows have them, well the ones i watch do anyway but thet dont tend to be major part of the show, minor with lots of buid up until you get to the main point which is over a couple of eps for the series finale then job donw until new series with new arc

[daniel9624]

I have to agree with......... TWS here, most if not ALL shows have series arc, or else where is the drive for series. Supernatural in the beginning was MOTW, but... it had the arc of looking for their father. Alcatraz Villain of the week, but... had the "where have they been, why are they coming back" arc. Lost well thats just obvious, even Flashforward (genius but never given a chance) the list is endless and blows your argument out of the water quite frankly.

[daniel9624]

Oh and Fringe had a VERY similar feel to this in the beginning, before it went on to become so insular nobody could join the story late, as its "arc" had become far too convoluted and up its own bottom

[geordielady]

Originally Posted by daniel9624

Oh and Fringe had a VERY similar feel to this in the beginning, before it went on to become so insular nobody could join the story late, as its "arc" had become far too convoluted and up its own bottom

No... fringe just turned into a show with a proper series arc for people who were prepared to invest time in a proper TV show, thats why its one of the best, if not the best sci-fi series ever.

As I said new shows are being brought out without this arc to ensure more people stay on board and keep the shows going longer but this is not really saving shows as many that do this also got cancelled so even having a show you can dip in and out of still dont ensure longevity if its crap and repeatative.
As per the other poster you are getting confused with background story and series arc. Most shows have a background story but not that many deal with a ongoing series arc week in week out and thats my point. It will only be a matter of time before I decide which one this show falls into.

[Schizoid Mike]

Very surprised that no one has mentioned that the surveillance super computer was built and funded by two members from Lost’s The Others - Benjamin "Ben" Linus and Goodwin Stanhope (Harold Finch played by Michael Emerson and Nathan Ingram played by Brett Cullen).

That’s Ben Linus the leader of others not his alias Henry Gale as referred to him in some of the previous posts.

I take it that the John Reese character currently played by Jim Caviezel was originally to be played by Lost's Terry O’Quinn, now in his own series (No not Hawaii Five-O) but 666 Park Avenue to be shown on ITV2.

Referance- Odd Jobs to have been produced and directed by J.J Abrams.

[daniel9624]

Seems you have forgotten what Fringe was like for much of the first 2 and a half seasons, with most of the internet community dropping into two camps, either,"oh this is was to convoluted, u can't miss an ep" or " i hate episodic shows". Even most "fans" couldn't work out which it was, and it was only by late season 3 what the end game was, and that all the "episodic" filler episodes were just a tool to get and keep people on board, this is not something Fringe does exclusively, and whiel a great show should not be a standard bearer for all future shows in this genre.