[Auld Snody]

Originally Posted by walkabouter

Also amazing how only 500 out of 65,000 reported hate crimes resulted in a court conviction.
0.77%.

Evidence of institutional bias against the disabled, perhaps

[walkabouter]

Originally Posted by Auld Snody

Evidence of institutional bias against the disabled, perhaps

Really?

[Auld Snody]

Originally Posted by walkabouter

Really?

Yes really

[Biffo the Bear]

And still the welfare state is being punished for the economic situation when it was a failure of government and the world of finance that got us into it.

Can anyone tell me how, in just 4 short years, the enemy has not become those who caused the whole mess, but those who stand to suffer most from it... so let's make them suffer some more?

The vile creatures who caused this whole situation and their brown-nosing apologists should be horse-whipped.

[swann's way]

Originally Posted by walkabouter

Also amazing how only 500 out of 65,000 reported hate crimes resulted in a court conviction.
0.77%.

Disability denier.

Scared in case this finally becomes a serious issue and you'll not be allowed to demand that people show their disability when they use a blue badge? Or worse?

[warlord]

There are now 2 million people claiming to be disabled. The numbers have increased rapidly over the last 20 years. Either there is an army of gangsters going round crippling people, or the system is being abused.

[walkabouter]

Originally Posted by Auld Snody

Yes really

You have evidence to support the view the Police, CPS, Magistrates, witnesses, Crown Court Judges and juries are all biased against the disabled?

That's a fairly substantial allegation so you really need to back it up.

[CELT1987]

Originally Posted by warlord

There are now 2 million people claiming to be disabled. The numbers have increased rapidly over the last 20 years. Either there is an army of gangsters going round crippling people, or the system is being abused.

You do realise there are different kinds of disability? Not all are visible. Yes there is fraud, but it is not as high as people think.

[petertard]

The government have created a climate where people despise and hate the disabled.

[barrcode88]

Originally Posted by oldfogey101

So they made a mistake?

The found a dead person fit to work, it was on Panorama a few weeks ago, its not the first time.

[walkabouter]

Originally Posted by petertard

The government have created a climate where people despise and hate the disabled.

That would be why the Paralympics is practically sold out.

It looks like they've failed, doesn't it?

[barrcode88]

Originally Posted by walkabouter

That would be why the Paralympics is practically sold out.

It looks like they've failed, doesn't it?

Not every single disabled person can afford the equipment that Paralympians use as y'know they get by in just £54 a week, plus it would be like asking Chris Grayling just to drop everything and run the 5,000 metres.

[Auld Snody]

Originally Posted by walkabouter

You have evidence to support the view the Police, CPS, Magistrates, witnesses, Crown Court Judges and juries are all biased against the disabled?

That's a fairly substantial allegation so you really need to back it up.

I never said they were. I said perhaps that could be a reason. And how could the police and the cps be biased if they are the ones bringing the cases to court. Juries, not many cases would be serious enough to go to the crown court. Magistrates , well they are known to be totally unbiased, are they not?

[walkabouter]

Originally Posted by barrcode88

Not every single disabled person can afford the equipment that Paralympians use as y'know they get by in just £54 a week, plus it would be like asking Chris Grayling just to drop everything and run the 5,000 metres.

Irrelevant. My post was about the huge public support for the Paralympics, not the athletes themselves.
Try again.

[walkabouter]

Originally Posted by Auld Snody

I never said they were. I said perhaps that could be a reason. And how could the police and the cps be biased if they are the ones bringing the cases to court. Juries, not many cases would be serious enough to go to the crown court. Magistrates , well they are known to be totally unbiased, are they not?

Excellent backtracking.

The Police/CPS only brought 2,000 out of 65,000 complaints to court.
3.076%

As you've accepted they're not biased

Originally Posted by Auld Snody

And how could the police and the cps be biased if they are the ones bringing the cases to court?

then you have to accept the other 63K were equally adjudicated.

You really need some evidence to back up your claims otherwise it's becoming embarrassingly one-sided.

[petertard]

Atos...

[OLD HIPPY GUY]

Well I certainly hate them, with every fibre of my being, I get up earlier and go to bed later etc, .........
This government and the Tories in particular that is,
I hate them so much it sometimes surprises me, I am almost ashamed of myself for feeling such raw hatred,

[Richievilla]

The main reason why so few hate cases get to court is because the CPS will only proceed where they feel there is sufficient evidence available to secure a conviction.

Sadly, the nature of many disability hate crimes means that the gutless cowards who perpetrate these crimes do so when there are no witnesses and it is therefore almost impossible to secure a conviction. The CPS and ACPO acknowledge that these crimes are real and are hugely under-reported.

Hostility is more common than actual hate crime, but the hostility that an increasing number of people with disabilities are facing still has a profound effect on the many victims. It is sad that some highly ignorant people prefer to brush this serious issue under the carpet.

[walkabouter]

Originally Posted by Richievilla

Sadly, the nature of many disability hate crimes means that the gutless cowards who perpetrate these crimes do so when there are no witnesses and it is therefore almost impossible to secure a conviction..

You have the statistics for these "gutless cowards?"

Can't you just go the CPS website and type in "Gutless cowards?"

If not, I suspect you're simply throwing around wild insults.

[razorboy]

Originally Posted by Richievilla

The main reason why so few hate cases get to court is because the CPS will only proceed where they feel there is sufficient evidence available to secure a conviction.

Sadly, the nature of many disability hate crimes means that the gutless cowards who perpetrate these crimes do so when there are no witnesses and it is therefore almost impossible to secure a conviction. The CPS and ACPO acknowledge that these crimes are real and are hugely under-reported.

Hostility is more common than actual hate crime, but the hostility that an increasing number of people with disabilities are facing still has a profound effect on the many victims. It is sad that some highly ignorant people prefer to brush this serious issue under the carpet.

It is very similar to the denial that existed regarding rape. I suspect it is the same people involved in both denials

[Richievilla]

Originally Posted by walkabouter

You have the statistics for these "gutless cowards?"

Can't you just go the CPS website and type in "Gutless cowards?"

If not, I suspect you're simply throwing around wild insults.

Calling the perpetrator of a hate crime "a gutless coward" is not an insult, it is a fact, as anybody with a shred of decency would agree.

[walkabouter]

Originally Posted by Richievilla

Calling the perpetrator of a hate crime "a gutless coward" is not an insult, it is a fact, as anybody with a shred of decency would agree.

Again, you have the statistics for these "gutless coward" attacks?

You claim there are no witnesses for the majority of these "crimes". Where are your statistics to support this?

[razorboy]

Originally Posted by warlord

There are now 2 million people claiming to be disabled. The numbers have increased rapidly over the last 20 years. Either there is an army of gangsters going round crippling people, or the system is being abused.

When I was young it was unknown fior disabled people to go to mainstream schools or university, be employed or seen in social environments, we have as a society made great strides since then and many disabled people are now often living highly indeoendent and fulfilled lives even though it remains difficult for a lot to find employment because of residual discrimination or lazy thinking

I am not sure the antagonism is as widespread as some claim but it is real especially towards those with learning difficuklties and mental health problems and I am shocked by the denials from government supporters who seem to regard hate crime as trivial and even justified.

I do wonder if any of these have any experience of disability or whether they would change their tune if they or someone they cared about were to find themselves disabled.

[Richievilla]

Originally Posted by walkabouter

Again, you have the statistics for these "gutless coward" attacks?

You claim there are no witnesses for the majority of these "crimes". Where are your statistics to support this?

Do some research and you will find the answers, apart from the fact that it is basic common sense if you have any knowledge of the subject. People in the Scope survey (and other surveys) have no reason to lie about the increased hostility that they are facing) and neither do the people on disability forums. The CPS and ACPO are now taking the issue far more seriously as they acknowledge that there is a real problem.

I note that you still refuse to condemn the perpetrators of disability hate incidents and disability hate crimes as "gutless cowards". I wonder why!

[Staunchy]

Originally Posted by razorboy

When I was young it was unknown fior disabled people to go to mainstream schools or university, be employed or seen in social environments, we have as a society made great strides since then and many disabled people are now often living highly indeoendent and fulfilled lives even though it remains difficult for a lot to find employment because of residual discrimination or lazy thinking

I am not sure the antagonism is as widespread as some claim but it is real especially towards those with learning difficuklties and mental health problems and I am shocked by the denials from government supporters who seem to regard hate crime as trivial and even justified.

I do wonder if any of these have any experience of disability or whether they would change their tune if they or someone they cared about were to find themselves disabled.

Until this thread I didn't know that there was a reporting category for disability hate crimes, is it possible that the rise in the figures could be down to factors including (and not restricted to); the willingness of people to report incidents as hate crimes and for the authorities to record them as hate crimes where in the past they would not have been classified as such.