[Sentenza]

Olwen is a perfect candidate for an A4E 2 year course.

[chrisbartley]

Trouble is all these welfare payments are skewing Natural Selection
In general they seem to be breeding at a faster rate than the rest of society

[craigy132]

Surely with that olwen thing admitting she smokes drugs in front of her kids should warrant police/social service intervention

Also that couple where the bloke held down two cleaning jobs and earned hundred quid a week to support his family - sounds really honorable and hard working doesnt it?, However the minimum wage is £6.08 so it means he's only working about sixteen and a half hours a week - sorry but if yer gonna have a few kids you gotta be prepared to put in a few more hours than that to support em IMHO.
Also the mum was at home all day, free to do all kinds of mumsy stuff ( i.e cleaning and cooking ) but when it showed them doing their shopping at iceland on their limited budget all they were buying was pizzas and sausages - why not buy a sack of potatoes? A tray of eggs? raw vegetables ?She has the time to cook proper meals which would surely work out much more economical than 'iceland doner kebab pizza'

[zx50]

Originally Posted by BadLadAsh

cRAzY GEoRgEs now thats a shop I've not heard in ages! I think its now called 'Brighthouse'

There's one in our town centre. I'd rather save up and get something from Argos than give Bright House an extra £300-£400 on top of the list price.

[zx50]

Originally Posted by craigy132

Surely with that olwen thing admitting she smokes drugs in front of her kids should warrant police/social service intervention

Also that couple where the bloke held down two cleaning jobs and earned hundred quid a week to support his family - sounds really honorable and hard working doesnt it?, However the minimum wage is £6.08 so it means he's only working about sixteen and a half hours a week - sorry but if yer gonna have a few kids you gotta be prepared to put in a few more hours than that to support em IMHO.
Also the mum was at home all day, free to do all kinds of mumsy stuff ( i.e cleaning and cooking ) but when it showed them doing their shopping at iceland on their limited budget all they were buying was pizzas and sausages - why not buy a sack of potatoes? A tray of eggs? raw vegetables ?She has the time to cook proper meals which would surely work out much more economical than 'iceland doner kebab pizza'

It actually works out cheaper buying fresh vegetables instead of junk food like pizza etc, because each piece of vegetable lasts about 5-10 times (depending on how many kids there are). Sausages aren't so bad, you get a load of them in a bag here. But yeah, raw vegetables work out so much cheaper than just junk 'put all together' foods. Plus, raw vegetables cooked will be much better for you than what's in these processed/put all together foods.

[Paul_Anderson]

I thought the same about those disgusting iceland pizzas, For a quid each. The fiver she spent on them could buy enough ingredients to cook fifteen cooked from scratch meals, but then the lazy mare would be dragged away from her laptop and her flat screen tv if she forced herself to cook properly.

[tco200]

Originally Posted by fizzle90

Why are you having such a hard time believing MattClaret? What exactly has he got to gain from making this up BIB - and you even go as far as insulting him..
What is your problem?

Anyway back on topic, this programme had my blood boiling, especially Olwen

It's hard to believe Matt because he is clearly a Dingle and therefore unable to read

Before anyway jumps on me I'm from Blackburn so I am expected to insult Burnley folk!

[Nikkiclody]

Originally Posted by MattClaret

I know someone who knows that couple I can tell you that they have been completely misrepresented on that show.

Do not feel sorry for them, the wife wasn't made redundant, she worked at a pound shop for a couple of days, decided it was too much like hard work and quit. The kids have TV's and X-Boxes in their rooms and get tons of Christmas presents, they've got a brand new car and it's all paid for with income support and tax credits. That holiday whinging was rubbish as well, last year they left their kids to go on holiday in Barcelona, the previous year they went to Ibiza without the kids. Andy was on benefits for years claiming everything under the sun until his dad really pushed him to get a job.

The person I know who knows them was incredulous as to how they were portrayed.

It just proves you can't believe anything you see on TV..they were made to look like the only good ones out of a bad bunch, but the Dad was probably made to go to work for that 100 quid by the social so he could receive his tax credits and so on.

[37 Years]

Originally Posted by Ed R.Marley

And how would they do that then exactly? Just steam onto an estate tasering and clubbing all and sundry

They wouldn't need to be as severe as that, but we need to stop pussyfooting around these people.

The kid-gloves have to come off.

Originally Posted by EuroChris

This problem is generational and has nothing to do with 'immigrants'. Most of the people that we saw in that show last night are unemployed because of their own actions. Most probably didn't care about exams when they were at school and most likely got rubbish results, if any. Most probably didn't bother to go to college or do some sort of further education. There is nothing stopping these people to go and get GCSE's and other qualifications as adults, but will they bother? No.

Immigration is brilliant. I have so much respect for people who leave their homelands to go to other countries to better themselves. Most people who come to this country to work are model employees and that is why they get jobs. A persons nationality is irrelevant when it comes to getting a job.

You're right when you say that immigration is not relevant in this case really, but everything else you said is almost delusional.

Immigration, of the sort we have now ie. badly managed is not "brilliant".

Originally Posted by MattClaret

I know someone who knows that couple I can tell you that they have been completely misrepresented on that show.

Do not feel sorry for them, the wife wasn't made redundant, she worked at a pound shop for a couple of days, decided it was too much like hard work and quit. The kids have TV's and X-Boxes in their rooms and get tons of Christmas presents, they've got a brand new car and it's all paid for with income support and tax credits. That holiday whinging was rubbish as well, last year they left their kids to go on holiday in Barcelona, the previous year they went to Ibiza without the kids. Andy was on benefits for years claiming everything under the sun until his dad really pushed him to get a job.

The person I know who knows them was incredulous as to how they were portrayed.

Well i guess that there is always more to a situation than what we see on TV, but he seemed a decent guy,

I do think that the programme makers to take too much at face value and they don't ask enough probing questions.

[craigy132]

There was a tiny glimmer of hope in this programme - If that olwyn thing lends her best tracksuit to that chavvy kid who thought he was a gangsta rappa maybe eminem will give him and his homies apprentaships or take em on some kind of YTS scheme

[Jules_Baxter]

My OH and I have just watched this program after recording it the other day - it makes me feel at such a loss with this country! so sad at what it has become!

I just had a spell of unemployment unexpectedly for the first time in a very long time but being jobless made me feel so wrong and less of a person and I managed to get another job after 7 weeks. I was incensed to hear that Olwyn gets benefits that equal what I go out the door at 7 in a morning at get back at 6pm to earn!

That woman is never going to get a job that pays her that sort of money so should never have been given that level of benefits! We are going to paint our hallway again but only because we saw an offer on paint at homebase! Why are they decorating her home for free! And why would a person allegedly suffering debilitating depression want to paint their room such a dark dank colour!

I admired the lad from the family with 4 sons for getting himself out of that situation, his strange excuse for a mother should want the best for her kids not make him feel guilty for it! It was lovely to see him and the other kids out at Ingleton enjoying nature.

It annoys me how these chavs in their late teens think being wasters is cool! All that crap about being brought up in the gutter and stuff! They should visit a real poverty stricken place like India - I have! They are just lazy kids who have been brought up by parents that can't be arsed either. We chose not to have kids but if we had decided to have them, no way would I tolerate them hanging around the streets in their tracky bottoms making peoples live's a misery.

Benefits need to be shrank to a level below an earnable wage so that it is not seen as the better bet! peoples dole should be cut when they shirk working like bloody Olwen! Granted the job market is awful right now, wages are getting driven down, too many jobs are part time or temporary - I have qualifications in HSQE that I am desperate to use but there are no opportunities near me so I am looking into going self employed and earn more money than the scallies for once! plus get a load of money saved up so that when the OH and I get towards retirement we can get the hell out of this country before all the current swathes of chav kids grow up!

It makes me laugh how the jobcentre has these apprenticeship schemes - the chavs are never going to give up the dole for a poxy £2.60 an hour job!

Not sure what to make of the family with the Dad who worked as a cleaner. He does need to be doing all he can to get a full time job rather than relying on tax credits.

I felt so sorry for Oshi and his situation with his real Dad - women need to think about this sort of thing when they are having numerous kids to different soon to be absent fathers - as do the blokes that happily impregnate these people! I couldn't imagine been that young and having to cope with his repeated rejection from his Dad like he had too :-(

[Hotgossip]

Originally Posted by Jules_Baxter

My OH and I have just watched this program after recording it the other day - it makes me feel at such a loss with this country! so sad at what it has become!

I just had a spell of unemployment unexpectedly for the first time in a very long time but being jobless made me feel so wrong and less of a person and I managed to get another job after 7 weeks. I was incensed to hear that Olwyn gets benefits that equal what I go out the door at 7 in a morning at get back at 6pm to earn!

That woman is never going to get a job that pays her that sort of money so should never have been given that level of benefits! We are going to paint our hallway again but only because we saw an offer on paint at homebase! Why are they decorating her home for free! And why would a person allegedly suffering debilitating depression want to paint their room such a dark dank colour!

I admired the lad from the family with 4 sons for getting himself out of that situation, his strange excuse for a mother should want the best for her kids not make him feel guilty for it! It was lovely to see him and the other kids out at Ingleton enjoying nature.

It annoys me how these chavs in their late teens think being wasters is cool! All that crap about being brought up in the gutter and stuff! They should visit a real poverty stricken place like India - I have! They are just lazy kids who have been brought up by parents that can't be arsed either. We chose not to have kids but if we had decided to have them, no way would I tolerate them hanging around the streets in their tracky bottoms making peoples live's a misery.

Benefits need to be shrank to a level below an earnable wage so that it is not seen as the better bet! peoples dole should be cut when they shirk working like bloody Olwen! Granted the job market is awful right now, wages are getting driven down, too many jobs are part time or temporary - I have qualifications in HSQE that I am desperate to use but there are no opportunities near me so I am looking into going self employed and earn more money than the scallies for once! plus get a load of money saved up so that when the OH and I get towards retirement we can get the hell out of this country before all the current swathes of chav kids grow up!

It makes me laugh how the jobcentre has these apprenticeship schemes - the chavs are never going to give up the dole for a poxy £2.60 an hour job!

Not sure what to make of the family with the Dad who worked as a cleaner. He does need to be doing all he can to get a full time job rather than relying on tax credits.

I felt so sorry for Oshi and his situation with his real Dad - women need to think about this sort of thing when they are having numerous kids to different soon to be absent fathers - as do the blokes that happily impregnate these people! I couldn't imagine been that young and having to cope with his repeated rejection from his Dad like he had too :-(

So did I. Poor kid what with never seeing his Dad and a mother who can't even put her fag down to cuddle him.

[Hotgossip]

Originally Posted by pinkstrawberry

I watched this last night.

It's sad that certain Parents in the show give this country a bad reputation.
Mainly that Mother who was:
1. Against Schooling !!!!
2. Smoked Dope & Cigarettes in the house in front of her kids !!!
3. Complained at the thought of having to go to the job centre for an interview when she "had better things to do" ???!!!
4. Added the 1/2 hour walk (each way) to work as a dinner lady assistant when she didnt get paid for it.

No wonder the children don't have a good start in life with that horrid woman as a role model.

There is loads of single parents out there on benefits that most certainly don't choose to live like that.

I also notice that they all seem to have flat screen TV's in the lounge, kitchen and bedrooms.

She was something else wasn't she?

You know the crazy thing is, her kids probably love her to death. When I was small there was a family near us with 8 kids. I think the first 3 kids were with her husband and the rest were all the result of affairs with other men. She was never in, her old man was hardly there and when he was they all ignored him. The kids quite honestly dragged themselves up, never went anywhere and the parents never, ever showed any interest in their education or ever visited the school. Mother was always well dressed and had her fags, booze and bingo money but the kids had nothing yet once they all grew up they took great care of her and I'm sure they all loved her despite her shortcomings.

[zx50]

I watched this this morning and didn't like it at all. I won't be watching this again. I see there's racists in that area as well. That estate comes across as very depressing, so depressing that some want to move away from it. I don't blame them, I think I'd want to get away from that depressing estate as well.

[cookie_princess]

What a bunch of wasters

[Skaface]

Originally Posted by MattClaret

I know someone who knows that couple I can tell you that they have been completely misrepresented on that show.

Do not feel sorry for them, the wife wasn't made redundant, she worked at a pound shop for a couple of days, decided it was too much like hard work and quit. The kids have TV's and X-Boxes in their rooms and get tons of Christmas presents, they've got a brand new car and it's all paid for with income support and tax credits. That holiday whinging was rubbish as well, last year they left their kids to go on holiday in Barcelona, the previous year they went to Ibiza without the kids. Andy was on benefits for years claiming everything under the sun until his dad really pushed him to get a job.

The person I know who knows them was incredulous as to how they were portrayed.

It occurred to me whilst watching the programme that the two part-time cleaning jobs Andy works at probably only total around 16 hours combined. The brief bit of footage shown of him at work, mopping the floor and emptying a bin appeared to be in a school, but I don't think it was stated where his other job is. Wherever it is though, most cleaning staff only work 1-2 hours before and/or after the premises officially opens anyway.

I think I read somewhere a while ago that a type of Tax Credit can be paid to people who work a minimum of 16 hours per week and I'm sure I heard Andy say that he claims it, which more or less matches his wage and effectively doubles his money and I did wonder if he was deliberately working the minimum qualifying hours in order to receive it. I mean, whichever way you look at it, it does equate to 'earning' full-time (albeit a fairly low-paid) wage, despite only working half (or less) an average full-time working week.

I got the distinct impression that there was more to this couple's situation than they would have us believe. After all, it wouldn't be the first time people have portrayed themselves and their lifestyle as one thing, only to later be reported that they were in fact pulling the wool over the public's eyes.

One thing I must say for this couple though ~ they do at least appear to have raised polite children. I noticed the little boy said "Thank you, Mummy" when she gave him a bowl of food (breakfast cereal?) when he was sitting on the sofa with his sister.

[Yorkshire.King]

Originally Posted by Hotgossip

That was seriously depressing.

The only uplifting part was where some lads were taken out into the countryside.

And that was out of Lancashire, into the YORKSHIRE dales....

(where lets face it, is like an alien world to the residents of shadsworth sink estate.

[oldhag]

Originally Posted by chrisbartley

Trouble is all these welfare payments are skewing Natural Selection
In general they seem to be breeding at a faster rate than the rest of society

Absolutely! Having kids pays more, so on and on it goes.