[MD1500]

Originally Posted by chopoff

It also has shoddy software sales. Well. Compare it to the 3DS and you'd say it has amazing software sales

But the Wii has the worst sales of software per console, of this generation.

Depends how you look at it.

A game selling 20 million copies would be #1 in sales on PS360. It wouldn't even make the top 5 on Wii.

[gdjman68wasdigi]

Originally Posted by MojoMaster

Do you seriously believe they don't care about MS or Sony? Behave.

i really dont think they do, Nintendo have always done their own thing and let the other two get on with it..

[misawa97]

Originally Posted by chopoff

Biggest nonsense I've ever seen.

Nintendo didn't make a 'bet' that no one wants HD consoles.

Do you think that families out there went, 'hmm Nintendo Wii or Microsoft Xbox 360... you know what, I don't want HD right now, thank you very much - I'll get the Wii'.

They bought the Wii because of its casual game catalog and novel controller.

Also, selling the most doesn't mean you're the best.

I had no idea that the Ford Fiesta is better than any Ferrari out there!

I know a tonne of people that own the Wii. None of them play it any more. It might come out at Christmas if it is lucky.

I'm sure there's plenty of people that continue to love their Wii, but all the people I know that own them own them as a family console that sits in the living room for anyone to use.

So to them, it really seems like it was just a novelty.

It also has shoddy software sales. Well. Compare it to the 3DS and you'd say it has amazing software sales

But the Wii has the worst sales of software per console, of this generation.

I never said it was the best console as it sold the most. I said nintendo gambled on the market more than happy to stay with pre HD consoles and gamble right. You seriously are not trying to deny that Nintendo won this generation.
They won easily while the sony lost big time. The PS3 was one financial black hole. Now thats not me saying the PS3 was the worst console, I'm just saying that the numbers do not lie and the Wii won.

3ds shoddy software sales? Not sure about that at all. It has 8 games that have sold over 1 million copies. Plenty software is selling 100,000+ and 3rd parties are doing well with the 3DS. Granted this isnt in every region but the overall picture shows software sales on the 3DS are not shoddy at all.

i really dont think they do, Nintendo have always done their own thing and let the other two get on with it..

What they wont do is get involved a hardware race and nor should they. The most important thing is nintendo survives. Thats not saying they are perfect or dont make mistakes but I think people need to understand that nintendo are not microsoft or sony. They dont have other revenue streams to pick up the slack if needed.

[Davonator]

Originally Posted by misawa97

What they wont do is get involved a hardware race and nor should they. The most important thing is nintendo survives. Thats not saying they are perfect or dont make mistakes but I think people need to understand that nintendo are not microsoft or sony. They dont have other revenue streams to pick up the slack if needed.

Actually Sony and MS are in pretty precarious financial positions (Sony in particular). They can't afford a mega-loss console anymore. Sony have been losing money for years, and whilst still profitable Steve Ballmer's tenureship of MS has been a disaster, and they're a company in decline. (http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2...-steve-ballmer).

[gdjman68wasdigi]

Originally Posted by Davonator

Actually Sony and MS are in pretty precarious financial positions (Sony in particular). They can't afford a mega-loss console anymore. Sony have been losing money for years, and whilst still profitable Steve Ballmer's tenureship of MS has been a disaster, and they're a company in decline. (http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2...-steve-ballmer).

and their once thriving TV business has been struggling for a while.....probably due to Samsung..

ill be getting a Wii U, we as a family also enjoy the 360 and whilst i agree the Wii has had its day now and mine is gathering dust, our family has had a lot of pleasure out of it and enjoyed what it has had to offer..

so on christmas day, if my 8 year old has been a good boy, he will be enjoying Nintendoland and NSMB U..

even though the Wii U is being marketed as a "hardcore" console, a Nintendo console is a nice alternative to a 360 or PS3, just like people owned a Wii along with a 360 or PS3

[misawa97]

Originally Posted by Davonator

Actually Sony and MS are in pretty precarious financial positions (Sony in particular). They can't afford a mega-loss console anymore. Sony have been losing money for years, and whilst still profitable Steve Ballmer's tenureship of MS has been a disaster, and they're a company in decline. (http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2...-steve-ballmer).

Very true and sony cannot afford another PS3 scenario. PS3 was a financial disaster and with the Vita bleeding money the PS4 needs to hit the ground running.

even though the Wii U is being marketed as a "hardcore" console, a Nintendo console is a nice alternative to a 360 or PS3, just like people owned a Wii along with a 360 or PS3

I will always by nintendo hardware simply just for the nintendo games however i really hope nintendo get a lot more 3rd party support this time!!

[chopoff]

Originally Posted by misawa97

I never said it was the best console as it sold the most.

Yes you are... you said this a few sentences later...

Originally Posted by misawa97

I'm just saying that the numbers do not lie and the Wii won.

Originally Posted by misawa97

3ds shoddy software sales? Not sure about that at all. It has 8 games that have sold over 1 million copies. Plenty software is selling 100,000+ and 3rd parties are doing well with the 3DS. Granted this isnt in every region but the overall picture shows software sales on the 3DS are not shoddy at all.

Yes, it is diabolical compared to the handhelds of old. Look at what I said. It isn't about software sales in total, if you have a larger install base you should have larger software sales. So it isn't representative to look at total sales figures, you should look at software sales per console owned.

Here are handheld software sales per console for Europe:
GBA - 3.84
GB - 3.68
PSP - 2.89
3DS - 1.93
Vita - 1.73

Proper consoles are in the 7s and 8s. PS2 is the highest with 10.39.

[misawa97]

Originally Posted by chopoff

Yes you are... you said this a few sentences later...



Yes, it is diabolical compared to the handhelds of old. Look at what I said. It isn't about software sales in total, if you have a larger install base you should have larger software sales. So it isn't representative to look at total sales figures, you should look at software sales per console owned.

Here are handheld software sales per console for Europe:
GBA - 3.84
GB - 3.68
PSP - 2.89
3DS - 1.93
Vita - 1.73

Proper consoles are in the 7s and 8s. PS2 is the highest with 10.39.

Since when does saying the Wii won this generaion mean I'm saying the wii was the best console. When I say they won that means they sold the most consoles.

As I said regarding the 3DS software sales. Look at the whole picture and not just Europe. In Japan the 3DS software sales are fantastic. I did say in other regions it can be better but overall there not that bad when u include all the regions.

Also how does the Wii selling the most software this generation stack up against attachment rate figures?

[chopoff]

Originally Posted by misawa97

Since when does saying the Wii won this generaion mean I'm saying the wii was the best console. When I say they won that means they sold the most consoles.

As I said regarding the 3DS software sales. Look at the whole picture and not just Europe. In Japan the 3DS software sales are fantastic. I did say in other regions it can be better but overall there not that bad when u include all the regions.

Also how does the Wii selling the most software this generation stack up against attachment rate figures?

Since when does selling the most mean you won? You win by being the best.

I picked Europe as it is relevant to us, and we don't tend to be racist when it comes to picking a console as we have no patriotic involvement in any of them, so it is a good neutral ground to show stats for, but since you asked - it is still really low.

Japan:
GB - 4.84
GBA - 4.31
PSP - 3.64
3DS - 2.33
Vita - 1.92

And finally with regards to the Wii selling the most software, again, as I said earlier it has the lowest software per console of all the consoles this generation.

It also has massive figures because they include the bundled Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort and Wii Party copies.

If you discount bundled games its pretty even, Wii still on top, but will have reduced their software per console amount even more.

[misawa97]

Since when does selling the most mean you won? You win by being the best.

Because like it or not Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are all trying to sell the most consoles. Thats the most important thing. I love my dreamcast and quality wise its one of the best consolves ever however I couldnt say it was a winner.
Wii won the current gen race.

I picked Europe as it is relevant to us, and we don't tend to be racist when it comes to picking a console as we have no patriotic involvement in any of them, so it is a good neutral ground to show stats for, but since you asked - it is still really low.

Japan:
GB - 4.84
GBA - 4.31
PSP - 3.64
3DS - 2.33
Vita - 1.92

We are not going to see handheld numbers reach previous years. The 3DS while will be fine it wont do the DS numbers simply cos the market has changed. It still in 18 months has 8 titles that sold over 1 million copies. Is that a normal occurance with consoles so early in there lifespan?

And finally with regards to the Wii selling the most software, again, as I said earlier it has the lowest software per console of all the consoles this generation.

It also has massive figures because they include the bundled Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort and Wii Party copies.

If you discount bundled games its pretty even, Wii still on top, but will have reduced their software per console amount even more.

Thats a valid point but I would still publishers didnt take advantage of a console which a huge install base and many of the just released crap expecting it to sell simply cos if the install base beng so large.

[Davonator]

Originally Posted by chopoff

Japan:
GB - 4.84
GBA - 4.31
PSP - 3.64
3DS - 2.33
Vita - 1.92

And finally with regards to the Wii selling the most software, again, as I said earlier it has the lowest software per console of all the consoles this generation.

It also has massive figures because they include the bundled Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort and Wii Party copies.

If you discount bundled games its pretty even, Wii still on top, but will have reduced their software per console amount even more.

it looks like you're getting your info from the infamous VGChartz.Com, a page that has suffered numerous criticisms about inaccuracy. This website does not work on facts but the owners estimates. Wikipedia delete any VGChartz.com sources as they are considered an unreliable source, and no reputable games page uses their stats.

This isn't meant as a go at you, as i'm sure you were unaware of its reputation. But so you know i'd have take their stats with one huge pinch of salt.

[gdjman68wasdigi]

im passionate about gaming, retro titles, Nintendo, whatever really but all of these stats are totally boring...

lets enjoys the games/platforms we have, or are on the horizon

[2Dshmuplover]

Originally Posted by MojoMaster

So when people get bored of Mario and Zelda games, what's next for Nintendo?

So when people get bored of Uncharted and Killzone what's next for Sony? You can say this about any company but in over 20 years people aren't bored of Mario or Zelda so I don't see how that's suddenly going to change.

Originally Posted by thomas2400

No please go on explain more about these invalid points please and at the same time i'll give you a slighty tougher challenge 10 great Wii games made by third party developers

Since other people have replied, I'll do better than that and mention a few more that haven't already been named and are also Wii exclusives:

Prince of Persia The Forgotten Sands
Sin And Punishment 2
Sonic Colours
Rune Factory Frontier
Fragile Dreams
Zak & Wiki
Spyborgs
Tatsunoko vs Capcom
Trackmania Wii
Tales of Symphonia
Cursed Mountain
Fatal Frame IV: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse
Little Kings Story
Pirates
A Shadows Tale
SSX Blur
Resident Evil Remake/Zero Archives
Eledees
Batman The Brave and the Bold
Silent Hill Shattered Memories
Project Zero 2 Wii Edition

Shall I go on? Because there are more.

The point is you went into a lecture about how graphics do matter to games and yet I never disputed this. I love good graphics but there are more to them than just being technically impressive. Graphics to me can look good on any system so long as I enjoy it's art style, games like Skyward Sword or Twilight Princess, had they actually been rendered in 720p instead of 480p then they would be considered as some of the nicest visuals seen this gen, and I'm including PS3 and 360 in that.

Take Killzone 2/3 for instance, they may be impressive on a technical level but they are still ugly looking games. They are not something we'll look back on in 10 years time and say they look good (just as we didn't with Killzone), but I can assure you with games like Skyward Sword or Mario Galaxy people will (as people already do with Wind Waker).

Graphics are important to me, but there's more to them than just raw number crunching. I can appreciate a good looking game from the 8-bit era to now and they all bring me the same enjoyment in that sense. So you don't really need to try and lecture me on graphics and their importance as you won't be telling me anything I don't already know.

The fact is many people overlooked the Wii because of the technical limitation, and to me a hardcore gamer will look past that and enjoy the system for what it is. Wii was never designed for use with LCD HDTV, it was designed for CRT SDTV/EDTV use of which there are pretty much none made here of the later. In US and Japan there are plenty of 480p CRT televisions and the Wii looks stunning in 480p on these sets, but 480i in RGB is still a good alternative and much better than playing on a large screen HDTV. Because I took the appropriate steps with the Wii I enjoy it's graphics.

[2Dshmuplover]

Oh yeah I nearly forgot.

Originally Posted by thomas2400

heavy rain is another example with her so into the game she forced to stop playing or make a new save because she didn't want to miss a moment

She would never of been interested if these games have bad graphics because she wouldn't of been able to connect with the characters so the fact is for one person at least, graphics do make a better game and i'm sure there are other people out there like her

This was funny, because Heavy Rain stands as a perfect example of how a game with massive budget and technically great graphics do not make a good game. I found this a dull experience and to be fair I understand it's not a typical game and more an interactive movie that relies more on it's atmosphere and story but the point stands.

The fact that Telltale Games have done a better job at conveying it's storyline, emotion and characters to the gamer with The Walking Dead series in cell shaded "Wii-esque" graphics says it all.

[catswithoutaid]

I'm a bit of an Nintendo whore so I will be buying one, Might pre-order. The fact that we will soon be seeing Zelda in HD probably excites me the most.

[darkthunder35]

Originally Posted by 2Dshmuplover

Oh yeah I nearly forgot.



This was funny, because Heavy Rain stands as a perfect example of how a game with massive budget and technically great graphics do not make a good game. I found this a dull experience and to be fair I understand it's not a typical game and more an interactive movie that relies more on it's atmosphere and story but the point stands.

The fact that Telltale Games have done a better job at conveying it's storyline, emotion and characters to the gamer with The Walking Dead series in cell shaded "Wii-esque" graphics says it all.

You see now I loved Heavy Rain. Have never found that level of immersion in any other game in my opinion.

On the flipside - I don't like The Walking Dead series, but the graphics are great.

[2Dshmuplover]

Plenty of people like Heavy Rain, I personally find the Walking dead Series does the whole interactive story thing better but not everyone will agree. The point is that you don't need hyper realistic graphics to either tell a powerful story or creative an immersive game experience.

[gdjman68wasdigi]

Originally Posted by 2Dshmuplover

Plenty of people like Heavy Rain, I personally find the Walking dead Series does the whole interactive story thing better but not everyone will agree. The point is that you don't need hyper realistic graphics to either tell a powerful story or creative an immersive game experience.

im must admit, im enjoying Alan Wake....

£6, more reasons to shop at Mor rissons..

[2Dshmuplover]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

im must admit, im enjoying Alan Wake....

£6, more reasons to shop at Mor rissons..

Alan Wake is indeed an excellent game. I saw it in my local Morrisons for cheap too and wanted to buy it again haha. I'll be playing through it again soon, it seems to be a game I always like to play around Autumn time. I guess that's a bit weird.

[simonrtaylor]

Originally Posted by 2Dshmuplover

Alan Wake is indeed an excellent game. I saw it in my local Morrisons for cheap too and wanted to buy it again haha. I'll be playing through it again soon, it seems to be a game I always like to play around Autumn time. I guess that's a bit weird.

Alan Wake - very underrated game- and i saw today in morrisons for £7 and almost purchased to replay - an excellent atmospheric game

[Davonator]

Those wanting to see the Press Conference on Thursday, will probably want to see this. The main press conference is being done by Reggie in New York. However Europe are getting their own Nintendo Direct online conference where the UK and Europe price is expected to be unveiled.

It will be streamed at 3pm!

http://blog.gadgethelpline.com/ninte...rmed-thursday/

[Scrubber]

Not THAT interested in the price at the moment, want to know the release date though. Will be at work when this is being streamed.

[thomas2400]

This post may shock a few people that have been following this thread

I'm getting a WiiU as a birthday and christmas present this year with ZombieU, Rayman Legends and an undecided third game, my friend is getting one with Mass Effect 3 and Batman AA (both games i own on PS3 but it will be interesting to try them) and most likely super mario

So between the two of us we'll pretty much have the launch covered

I'm still thinking there is nothing it can do that my PS3 and Vita can't do right now (and my Vita can leave the house) but to be honest i'd rather have a WiiU that i could possibly end up loving over an Xbox 360 that sits there waiting for a good game i know isn't coming

Roll on December 17th and i just hope that i choose the right game on my birthday or it could be a long 8 days till more at christmas

[chris redfield]

I have placed a pre order tonight, will have to see tomorrow if it goes through ok. my bank have been notorious for stopping payments going through on big expensive purchases.

[KidMoe]

I pre-ordered a Wii and once the initial novelty wore off it's sat under my TV doing nothing but gathering dust. I don't think I've turned it on once this year, it's by far the most underwhelming console I've owned. The prospect of another round of Zelda, Mario and Mario Kart titles feels me with utter indifference.