[d'@ve]

Originally Posted by promo-only

For the time being at least. Epic fail.

Epic fail indeed - the ability to record *all* live channels is an 'essential' for me - and I am sure most people. BT need to tell us before the launch if using the box they send us we will now, or in the future, be able to record such channels internally on the PVR.

If BT remain silent about it, most will assume that it won't happen - and many will steer clear of BT Youview. Integration should mean exactly that, whatever the channel delivery route. BT need to speak up about it.

[promo-only]

Originally Posted by d'@ve

Epic fail indeed - the ability to record *all* live channels is an 'essential' for me - and I am sure most people. BT need to tell us before the launch if using the box they send us we will now, or in the future, be able to record such channels internally on the PVR.

If BT remain silent about it, most will assume that it won't happen - and many will steer clear of BT Youview. Integration should mean exactly that, whatever the channel delivery route. BT need to speak up about it.

I think it's wise to steer clear of YouView for the time being anyway. I can see the current boxes being bettered so those with existing Humax boxes will feel pretty cheated. I know the platform is being backed by some heavyweights but I'm slowly becoming of the mind that it's going to be more of a flop than anything else. There's nothing on there other than a backwards EPG that I don't currently have, but even that's not unique. New Freesat system looks gorgeous for example.

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by promo-only

I think it's wise to steer clear of YouView for the time being anyway. I can see the current boxes being bettered so those with existing Humax boxes will feel pretty cheated. I know the platform is being backed by some heavyweights but I'm slowly becoming of the mind that it's going to be more of a flop than anything else. There's nothing on there other than a backwards EPG that I don't currently have, but even that's not unique. New Freesat system looks gorgeous for example.

I disagree. I dont have a freeview hd pvr, nor have I got all tv reply services in one place. I can have all this for about £50 all in just for a 12 month lock in. Bargain.

[promo-only]

Originally Posted by wwwebber

I disagree. I dont have a freeview hd pvr, nor have I got all tv reply services in one place. I can have all this for about £50 all in just for a 12 month lock in. Bargain.

Great for you but there are plenty of people who do have what YouView thinks is ground breaking. Nothing new is on offer. This service should be hammering the competition to bits and storming away in the lead but 2 years down the line from its intended launch and we're being offered a bare skeleton service with nothing as a unique selling point. There's not even the most basic of apps like YouTube, Netflix or Lovefilm! Forget whether or not they're 'in negotiations' with companies - they should have had that all ironed out and should have rolled out the most amazing product possible within this timeframe they were working to.

And the fact people are being charged for installation of the YouView box is a joke in itself. Self installation is meant to be a doddle - plug it in and you're away... no need for an enforced charge on this at all.

Sorry but it's more of a joke than a real consideration at this moment in time.

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by promo-only

And the fact people are being charged for installation of the YouView box is a joke in itself. Self installation is meant to be a doddle - plug it in and you're away... no need for an enforced charge on this at all.

Not true. This is a one off fee not an installation charge. Id pay £50 for a hybrid 500gb freeview hd pvr anyday. If you feel so strongly then walk away and sign up for something else.

Theres always something better around the corner. Ditherers always end up with nothing. In 12 months time ill be free to choose another product if I want to even if thats a better youview box.

[promo-only]

The other thing that worries me is that this thing is backed by BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, BT, TalkTalk and Arqiva... and it's still a shambles!

[stej86]

If you cant record the Sky Sports channels on the new BT Youview box, than it is a step backwards from BT's current Vision + box, apart from the HD tuner. I will not be going near this until the option to record all channels your paying for is available.

In fact even worse it turns out you cannot get Sky Sports channels at all on the new box at present. No wonder recording them

[d'@ve]

Originally Posted by promo-only

And the fact people are being charged for installation of the YouView box is a joke in itself. Self installation is meant to be a doddle - plug it in and you're away... no need for an enforced charge on this at all.

Sorry but it's more of a joke than a real consideration at this moment in time.

To be fair though, even though I think it's been launched as a shell of its potential and that disappoints me, when I do the sums, it looks quite tempting. As I posted in the other thread:

12 month contract @ £4/month increasing to £5 on Jan 1st.

£49 activation fee
£6.95 delivery
£58 subscription in year 1 contract
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£114 total cost to try this out for a year.
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£252 potential saving on basic Sky subscription (which I can now cancel as I can get Sky Sports 1/2 with BT for about the same cost).

£138 profit on the deal = bargain for those in my situation. So in spite of my earlier reservations, I will probably get it.

[promo-only]

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Not true. This is a one off fee not an installation charge. Id pay £50 for a hybrid 500gb freeview hd pvr anyday. If you feel so strongly then walk away and sign up for something else.

Theres always something better around the corner. Ditherers always end up with nothing. In 12 months time ill be free to choose another product if I want to even if thats a better youview box.

So whereas you're at least getting somebody to come around and fit the box as part of the TalkTalk charge, BT are charging £55.95 (including postage) and claiming an 'activation charge' but you're fitting it all yourself anyway?

Ditherers don't always end up with nothing. Ditherers in this case will end up with a decent box as opposed to the Humax one if they bide their time.

I've not got anything against YouView - I think it has AMAZING potential but currently... it's a laughing stock.

[stej86]

Originally Posted by d'@ve

To be fair though, even though I think it's been launched as a shell of its potential and that disappoints me, when I do the sums, it looks quite tempting. As I posted in the other thread:

12 month contract @ £4/month increasing to £5 on Jan 1st.

£49 activation fee
£6.95 delivery
£58 subscription in year 1 contract
-----------------
£114 total cost to try this out for a year.
===========

£252 potential saving on basic Sky subscription (which I can now cancel as I can get Sky Sports 1/2 with BT for about the same cost).

£138 profit on the deal = bargain for those in my situation. So in spite of my earlier reservations, I will probably get it.

Please note the important information below. If you want Youview from BT anytime soon than you will no longer be able to get Sky Sports and ESPN.

Sky Sports 1,2 and ESPN from BT will NOT currently be available on the new you view box.

BT have confirmed this today.

Can I get Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 from BT on YouView?

BT Vision on YouView gives you access to sports On Demand programmes. However, Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 channels from BT are currently only available with our standard BT Vision+ box

http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/40469

[d'@ve]

Originally Posted by stej86

Please note the important information below. If you want Youview from BT anytime soon than you will no longer be able to get Sky Sports and ESPN.

Sky Sports 1,2 and ESPN from BT will NOT currently be available on the new you view box.

BT have confirmed this today.

Can I get Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 from BT on YouView?

BT Vision on YouView gives you access to sports On Demand programmes. However, Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 channels from BT are currently only available with our standard BT Vision+ box

http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/40469

Well that's new - and it looks like one of many previously unanswered questions then. In which case, it removes the rationale for me getting it.

Clearly, if I'd signed up on that basis yesterday, I would have been able to exit my contract on the basis of misleading or incomplete information

[stej86]

What are the benefits of YouView compared to my current BT Vision service?

YouView offers some great new features including:

Scrollback TV - find catch-up TV from the programme guide
Freeview HD channels - BBC HD, BBC1 HD, ITV1 HD and Channel 4 HD (subject to reception)
Even more Catch Up TV from ITV Player, 4OD and Demand 5 (iPlayer programmes are the same)
Access to programmes from new providers, such as Now TV

However, your current BT Vision service offers:

No advertising on Catch Up TV. On YouView, Catch Up TV from ITV Player, 4OD and Demand 5 includes adverts (which you can't skip)
The same huge library of BT Vision content (other than Catch Up TV which is only the best of ITV Player, 4OD and Demand 5)
Access to Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 and ESPN. BT don't currently offer these channels on YouView
The ability to search the TV Guide as well as On Demand programmes. This is not yet available on YouView

[stej86]

Originally Posted by d'@ve

It certainly is and with my £138 profit on the deal, I'm the one who will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Dave you do realise that if you do what you have said above you will no longer be able to get Sky Sports 1 and 2, or ESPN through BT. The new you view box doesnt support them.

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by promo-only

So whereas you're at least getting somebody to come around and fit the box as part of the TalkTalk charge, BT are charging £55.95 (including postage) and claiming an 'activation charge' but you're fitting it all yourself anyway?

Ditherers don't always end up with nothing. Ditherers in this case will end up with a decent box as opposed to the Humax one if they bide their time.

I've not got anything against YouView - I think it has AMAZING potential but currently... it's a laughing stock.

I'll end up with a decent box too compared to my old one. I'll also get a better one when it becomes available. I also dont subscribe to any channels so wont miss them.

I think you're being over critical. Laughing stock?, shambles? Not for me.

If you thjink talktalk is a better deal then your choice is made simpler.

[d'@ve]

Originally Posted by stej86

Dave you do realise that if you do what you have said above you will no longer be able to get Sky Sports 1 and 2, or ESPN through BT. The new you view box doesnt support them.

Yeah thanks. I've altered my previous post in view of that.

I'll now be waiting until I can get SS1/2 on their YT box. Presumably they haven't yet finished building the necessary app?

[stej86]

Originally Posted by d'@ve

Yeah thanks. I've altered my previous post in view of that.

I'll now be waiting until I can get SS1/2 on their YT box. Presumably they haven't yet finished building the necessary app?

This is likely to be next year, and you will have to be on infinity broadband to get the channels.

Unlike Talktalk who have agreed a new deal to supply Sky Sports on Youview with Sky, BT's agreement with Sky for the supply of Sky Sports is believed to finish at the end of the season.

If BT do not agree a new deal with Sky than the channels will no longer be available on the service.

Sky having won the recent court case are no longer forced to sell the channels to BT at a set price.

Therefore expect if the Sky Sport channels are available on Youview through BT a large price increase on what vision customers currently pay.

[promo-only]

Originally Posted by wwwebber

I'll end up with a decent box too compared to my old one. I'll also get a better one when it becomes available. I also dont subscribe to any channels so wont miss them.

I think you're being over critical. Laughing stock?, shambles? Not for me.

If you thjink talktalk is a better deal then your choice is made simpler.

Price wise, TalkTalk's packages are great value. No HD though so they've missed the boat.

Over critical? In your opinion obviously but for me, not slightly. Not considering the money that's been spent on this. They couldn't even get their own boxes from Pace right so had to step back and use Humax. Doesn't exactly fill you with confidence when you add these bits together.

You have your opinion, I have mine.

[d'@ve]

Originally Posted by stej86

If BT do not agree a new deal with Sky than the channels will no longer be available on the service.

And I probably will stay off it then, simple as that. I'm sure they will do a deal though.

However, I can only justify the expenditure on a YV box (even as discounted) if I can get rid of Sky altogether and I want Sky Sports, so I'll await developments.

If YV and BT don't get a move on though, they will miss the boat as others will as we speak be developing integrated catch-up TV PVR/EPGs...

[promo-only]

Originally Posted by d'@ve

And I probably will stay off it, simple as that I'm sure they will do a deal though.

However, I can only justify the expenditure on a YV box (even as discounted) if I can get rid of Sky altogether so I'll await developments.

Don't forget that you'll still be able to dip in to Sky premium programming via the NOW TV app so all is not lost... obviously pricing is still to be announced though.

Does anybody think it will matter for BT if they don't offer Sky Sports as part of their packages?

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by promo-only

Does anybody think it will matter for BT if they don't offer Sky Sports as part of their packages?

Of course it matters. The less choice you offer, the less customers you get.

I just hope for BTs sake that theyll have a robust offer when they launch the new sports channel.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by promo-only

Price wise, TalkTalk's packages are great value. No HD though so they've missed the boat.

Over critical? In your opinion obviously but for me, not slightly. Not considering the money that's been spent on this. They couldn't even get their own boxes from Pace right so had to step back and use Humax. Doesn't exactly fill you with confidence when you add these bits together.

You have your opinion, I have mine.

I agree, it has all the appearance of a rushed launch and is resulting in lots of consumer confusion. It has great potential and if BT and TalkTalk could issue a schedule of when IPTV channels will be recordable, when IPTV channels will be launched on BT YouView this would be a significant step in restoring confidence. I do feel for the BT staff who have to explain matters to their customers.

[promo-only]

Originally Posted by wwwebber

Of course it matters. The less choice you offer, the less customers you get.

I just hope for BTs sake that theyll have a robust offer when they launch the new sports channel.

Obviously it's a major dent from a BT marketing perspective because you can get Sky Sports through other providers (even TalkTalk YouView) but in the bigger picture, moving BT aside, will it really matter that much? All YouView customers have access to NOW TV.

[d'@ve]

Originally Posted by promo-only

Obviously it's a major dent from a BT marketing perspective because you can get Sky Sports through other providers (even TalkTalk YouView) but in the bigger picture, moving BT aside, will it really matter that much? All YouView customers have access to NOW TV.

Does NOW TV have live streaming or will it be catch-up only? And will previously live Premiership football even be available on catch-up? That obviously matters.

[promo-only]

Originally Posted by d'@ve

Does NOW TV have live streaming or will it be catch-up only? And will live Premiership football even be available on catch-up? That obviously matters.

Nobody knows as yet but sports content and entertainment programming will be added soon. All reports I've ever read on the subject refer to live Premier League matches. Pay monthly and possibly even the possibility of a pay-per-match scenario.

[arirsole]

Why don't they stop all this messing about with complicated offers.....................................Can you imagine them running a Greengrocers shop...........If you buy a carrot a week for a year you can have it for 1p, if you only buy a carrot when you need it, it will be £1. but if you have shopped here before it will cost £2, unless you are a new customer then it will be free, providing you buy an orange every week for a year...............................