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Old 06-01-2013, 23:07
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-fortune.html

Are you telling me at that much of this isn't about money in many cases?
Savile is dead.
He hasn't been convicted of anything. That is fact.
Even if he was alive, could they really PROVE anything?
Most of it is based on incidents that allegedly happened in the 60's and 70's.
In the case of Savile and others, how the hell do you prove anything if it happened so long ago?
I'm sorry, but as soon as you start talking about money and compensation I get very cynical about motives.
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Old 06-01-2013, 23:13
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Horrible man, he also looked obnoxious.
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Old 06-01-2013, 23:16
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Unless i've heard wrong, looking obnoxious isn't a crime.
Thank god you're not a judge.
"You look vile!" Send him down for 30 years!
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Old 06-01-2013, 23:23
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Yes! Exactly. Seems to me there's a lot of borderline hysterical projecting and assuming going on here. Either there's a frank, open and adult discussion about paedophilia, warts and all, or things stay as they are. Making assumptions about the possible reaction of victims is typical of the handwringing of those who want something done but then get all hysterical and hand-wringy about something as basic as an objective and informed article about the complex nature of paedophilia! It doesn't bode well for those wanting to shine a sensible and informed light on the subject.
100 years ago, homosexuals were being described in exactly the same terms as paedophiles today : "disgusting individuals engaging in the depths of depravity" etc. I'm not for one moment equating homosexuality with paedophilia or suggesting that in 100 years' time it will be part and parcel of normal society, but we can see how hysterical and over the top the reaction to homosexuality was back then. The way society is reacting to paedophilia right now is going to seem really crude and primitive to future generations.

It seems bizarre that all sorts of other forms of deviancy and criminal behaviour can be discussed normally but when it comes to this subject, all logic and reason goes out the window. As I said earlier, I don't think it's abuse victims who are reacting so hysterically but others with their own agenda.

The Guardian article was excellent in that it was a sober and rational discussion on the subject and even dared to question some of society's opinions of paedophilia.
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Old 06-01-2013, 23:34
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Esther blasts Savile police squad over its star arrests, saying focus on famous could jeapardise young victims seeking justice

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2HF1oc5Bf

(That's not how you spell jeopardise!)
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Old 06-01-2013, 23:38
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100 years ago, homosexuals were being described in exactly the same terms as paedophiles today : "disgusting individuals engaging in the depths of depravity" etc. I'm not for one moment equating homosexuality with paedophilia or suggesting that in 100 years' time it will be part and parcel of normal society, but we can see how hysterical and over the top the reaction to homosexuality was back then. The way society is reacting to paedophilia right now is going to seem really crude and primitive to future generations.

It seems bizarre that all sorts of other forms of deviancy and criminal behaviour can be discussed normally but when it comes to this subject, all logic and reason goes out the window. As I said earlier, I don't think it's abuse victims who are reacting so hysterically but others with their own agenda.

The Guardian article was excellent in that it was a sober and rational discussion on the subject and even daredto question some of society's opinions of paedophilia.
BIB - that's so telling in itself, isn't it? The word 'dare'. It's exactly what the light shiners are up against, that it will be seen as an audacious attack on all that's holy to even consider paedophiles as people, and even possible victims themselves. Now is definitely the time to try and 'normalise' it, and treat it in the same way, as you say, as other forms of deviancy and criminal behaviour
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Old 06-01-2013, 23:46
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-fortune.html

Are you telling me at that much of this isn't about money in many cases?
Savile is dead.
He hasn't been convicted of anything. That is fact.
Even if he was alive, could they really PROVE anything?
Most of it is based on incidents that allegedly happened in the 60's and 70's.
In the case of Savile and others, how the hell do you prove anything if it happened so long ago?
I'm sorry, but as soon as you start talking about money and compensation I get very cynical about motives.
So do you think victims of rape, abuse and a system that let them down don't deserve any enquiry or closure of any kind?

If people wanted to get money, they would've gone straight to the tabloids, not through the proper police channels.
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Old 06-01-2013, 23:51
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BIB - that's so telling in itself, isn't it? The word 'dare'. It's exactly what the light shiners are up against, that it will be seen as an audacious attack on all that's holy to even consider paedophiles as people, and even possible victims themselves. Now is definitely the time to try and 'normalise' it, and treat it in the same way, as you say, as other forms of deviancy and criminal behaviour
Classing them as "monsters" and "depraved beasts" is doing nobody any favours, least of all the victims, nor is the habit of lumping them all together ie. the flasher in the park is considered scarcely any better on the moral scale than someone who carries out a serious sexual assault on a child.

As you say too, many paedophiles were probably abused themselves as children.....again, the idea of a paedophile being a victim is something that society is not prepared to countenance (because they have stifled all rational discussion of the subject).
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Old 07-01-2013, 00:10
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The Guardian article was excellent in that it was a sober and rational discussion on the subject and even dared to question some of society's opinions of paedophilia.
That Guardian article was a well written article. But nothing I didn't read before.
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Old 07-01-2013, 00:17
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100 years ago, homosexuals were being described in exactly the same terms as paedophiles today : "disgusting individuals engaging in the depths of depravity" etc. I'm not for one moment equating homosexuality with paedophilia or suggesting that in 100 years' time it will be part and parcel of normal society, but we can see how hysterical and over the top the reaction to homosexuality was back then. The way society is reacting to paedophilia right now is going to seem really crude and primitive to future generations.

It seems bizarre that all sorts of other forms of deviancy and criminal behaviour can be discussed normally but when it comes to this subject, all logic and reason goes out the window. As I said earlier, I don't think it's abuse victims who are reacting so hysterically but others with their own agenda.

The Guardian article was excellent in that it was a sober and rational discussion on the subject and even dared to question some of society's opinions of paedophilia.
Mark Williams Thomas being the prime example!

I note that on Twitter, he's been silent when asked for his reaction to comments made by his pal Esther Rantzen in the Mail article. He was very quick to criticise the Guardian article however! He appears to be completely devoid of any sense that he is hypocrite in every sense of the word.
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Old 07-01-2013, 00:58
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So do you think victims of rape, abuse and a system that let them down don't deserve any enquiry or closure of any kind?

If people wanted to get money, they would've gone straight to the tabloids, not through the proper police channels.

The point I was making is anyone can say anything.
It's PROVING it.
And it does help that the person is still alive so he can at least defend himself.
Remember the old saying?
Innocent until proven guilty.
You would think not.
How many so-called Celebrities recently have been arrested and charged with NOTHING.
And I mean NOTHING.
Think back to John Lesley.
Charged with nothing; but his career was over.
So it's ok for anyone to make an acusation and never question it?
Over 600 alleged victims came forward.
Don't you think signs and compensation MIGHT have crossed some of their minds.
Oh no, perish the thought!
And Jimmy Savile is still dead.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:01
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The point I was making is anyone can say anything.
It's PROVING it.
And it does help that the person is still alive so he can at least defend himself.
Remember the old saying?
Innocent until proven guilty.
You would think not.
How many so-called Celebrities recently have been arrested and charged with NOTHING.
And I mean NOTHING.
Think back to John Lesley.
Charged with nothing; but his career was over.
So it's ok for anyone to make an acusation and never question it?
Over 600 alleged victims came forward.
Don't you think signs and compensation MIGHT have crossed some of their minds.
Oh no, perish the thought!
And Jimmy Savile is still dead.
I agree

and with Stuart hall in court today I'll be interested to see what the actual evidence is
As highlighted by the john leslie interview this morning on ITV whether it was brought not with any evidence or in the public interest by the CPS
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:53
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:33
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Jimmy Savile abused dying patients in a hospice, a report by the Metropolitan police is expected to disclose.

Scotland Yard's official report into the Savile scandal will identify all the institutions including hospitals, schools and prisons where it is alleged Savile preyed on victims.

It is also expected to reveal for the first time that the former BBC TV presenter, who died in October 2011,
attacked patients at hospices he visited under the guise of charity work.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...dying-hospices
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:00
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Jimmy Savile abused dying patients in a hospice, a report by the Metropolitan police is expected to disclose.

Scotland Yard's official report into the Savile scandal will identify all the institutions including hospitals, schools and prisons where it is alleged Savile preyed on victims.

It is also expected to reveal for the first time that the former BBC TV presenter, who died in October 2011,
attacked patients at hospices he visited under the guise of charity work.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...dying-hospices
Made me feel physically sick just reading that

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