[Linda_Danvers]

Originally Posted by belinus

Ok, here are some for you to sift through :

http://freerepublic.com/tag/paedophiles/index

This website seems to me an extreme right one with homophobic tendecies. Anyway, the psychiatriscs of the first article in the webiste is a small group, talked in a simposium and they are not promoting child sex abuse. I see no big conspiracy of people condonig child sexual abuse.

[belinus]

Pedophilia and the dark heart of the EU’s parliament :

http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=933

‘Blair covering up paedophile scandal?’ :

http://www.tpuc.org/blair-covering-up-paedophile-scandal/"]"http://www.tpuc.org/blair-covering-up-paedophile-scandal/"]http://www.tpuc.org/blair-covering-up-paedophile-scandal/

Until we face the fact our entire political class (save for the younger programmed faces) are compromised individuals, and not necessarily of a sexual nature, we will achieve nothing.

The same goes for our Judiciary.

Move to offer full amnesty for all those trapped in this manner, providing they spill the beans and move in the opposite direction, must be the sensible way to get rid of the power of the secret societies over our entire political class.

I see this in the eyes of politician's over a certain age, they know what they are saying is wrong, but they must say it all the same, over the younger ones who are enthusiastic as they promote it.

The difference would be the Madano Partnership, who's job it is to 'Screen" political candidates.

[belinus]

Originally Posted by Linda_Danvers

This website seems to me an extreme right one with homophobic tendecies. Anyway, the psychiatriscs of the first article in the webiste is a small group, talked in a simposium and they are not promoting child sex abuse. I see no big conspiracy of people condonig child sexual abuse.

Perhaps there is just no satisfying you dear, suffice to say my point in this matter was that from on high, there are moves to make sexual relations with children the normal and accepted way to live, just like today it is more cool to be gay than not, so say the 1 and a half % .

[StrmChaserSteve]

Originally Posted by Eurostar

Agree completely that paedophiles aren't locked up for life : the law by it's very nature has to be calm and dispassionate and treat people fairly.

I'm referring more to the hysteria in the media and sections of the public. It's somewhat unclear how this subject has become a big taboo : how often have we seen a television interview with a paedophile for example where he tries to explain his actions or even apologise for them? It's not hard to imagine that such an interview would be met with a quite hysterical reaction.

There is a movie called 'The Woodsman' with Kevin Bacon, i don't think it's been broadcast much on Uk Tv. It's a very controversial movie, about a child molester, served 12 years in prison... released... and his re-insertion to society

Just saying, that for some, they do want to work hard on themselves, and live 'normal' lives

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woodsman

[StrmChaserSteve]

Clip for 'The Woodsman' - this is uncomfortable scene, to let you know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prlIO8Q-cl4&gl=US&hl=en

[skp20040]

Originally Posted by belinus

Perhaps there is just no satisfying you dear, suffice to say my point in this matter was that from on high, there are moves to make sexual relations with children the normal and accepted way to live, just like today it is more cool to be gay than not, so say the 1 and a half % .

Not quite sure why you need to comment on how many people are gay in the same line as people wanting to normalise paedophilia.

Surely it is no surprise to anyone that a paedophile or group of paedophiles would want to try and normalise it ? thatd does not mean the whole world will buckle and say "oh alright then go on". There are small groups of racists who want to deport anyone of colour that does not mean the rest of us will agree with it and it will happen.

Open discussion and acceptance of its existance will keep paedophilia from being swept back under that very big carpet and thats the only way it can be dealt with and safety measures kept in place for kids, being proatcive is always better than picking up the pieces.

[IzzyS]

If paedophilia or child abuse is a truly taboo subject then in a sense I suppose we're lucky the topic hasn't been closed or deleted, as I know I once attempted to discuss issues around suicide in a forum topic and that was quickly deleted and I was told its not allowed to bring the subject up, even though I was far from promoting it in any way whatsoever...I was actually curious if anyone had experienced the loss of someone through it and what peoples opinions were about those who do it because I'd seen in a different topic elsewhere, someone with strong opinions talking about how they felt their relative who had committed suicide had shown themselves to be a completely selfish coward in doing what they do and they didn't appear to have empathy, only anger. I know things like that will inevitably evoke many different emotions, it just interested me to ask what peoples opinions were but anyway I was told the subject isn't allowed to be discussed as a specific topic, only indirectly (such as, as part of a discussion on something else, like that person who mentioned about their relative dying, only part of that topic mentioned the suicide aspect I think).

I'm not suggesting its right to discuss that here (so hope this doesn't get deleted(!)), just that was the only time I can think of when I've brought something up and it was quickly deleted and I was told your not allowed to mention it - that must be a 'real taboo', if you will. I can kind of understand why, in a way, I'd never condone it but it frustrates me if adults can't maturely discuss things in a balanced way, then such taboos will always stay that way surely? isn't the best way to deal with taboos and lessen their impact, to talk about them? maybe I was out of line though, I don't know but I certainly never suggested anything to encourage anyone to do such a thing...I'd never do that.

[lexi22]

Originally Posted by StrmChaserSteve

Clip for 'The Woodsman' - this is uncomfortable scene, to let you know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prlIO8Q-cl4&gl=US&hl=en

Very good film. And a brave role for Bacon to take on.

[nanscombe]

From the perspective of the character he portrays in the film, does that make us all within 6 degrees of a paedophile?

[belinus]

[quote=skp20040;63440980]Not quite sure why you need to comment on how many people are gay in the same line as people wanting to normalise paedophilia.



It is not my intention to use the gay example to belittle anyone, it is my intention to highlight how a taboo subject of a minority, as far as promoting it and advertising it is concerned, can soon become the overlord by which all must bow as the only way to the new normal.

If it was achieved with the gay issue, then make no mistake they can do the same with paedophilia.

[Black Velvet]

Originally Posted by StrmChaserSteve

Clip for 'The Woodsman' - this is uncomfortable scene, to let you know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prlIO8Q-cl4&gl=US&hl=en

Haven't seen this film before but there is another on I think called Lovely Bones? Only watched it once on the telly and it pure gave me the creeps. An older man wins a little girls trust and he leads her to this place out in a forrest and they go down to this underneath cave and there is no way out for her. I felt really uncomfortable with this film.

[skp20040]

Originally Posted by belinus

It is not my intention to use the gay example to belittle anyone, it is my intention to highlight how a taboo subject of a minority, as far as promoting it and advertising it is concerned, can soon become the overlord by which all must bow as the only way to the new normal.

If it was achieved with the gay issue, then make no mistake they can do the same with paedophilia.

No they can't, the majority of people can tell the difference between consenting adults be they gay or straight having sex and older people abusing young children, unless you think we could all suddenly think its ok to abuse children.

[IzzyS]

Originally Posted by Black Velvet

Haven't seen this film before but there is another on I think called Lovely Bones? Only watched it once on the telly and it pure gave me the creeps. An older man wins a little girls trust and he leads her to this place out in a forrest and they go down to this underneath cave and there is no way out for her. I felt really uncomfortable with this film.

I saw that movie, it was quite moving although I seem to remember the critics panned it. I seem to remember reading or thinking

Spoiler

the murder was botched, the guy (a neighbour of the family?) hadn't originally intended to kill her but he chased her up the steps when she tried to run away and she tripped, fell down and died or some such? (I saw it a few years ago but I think it was something like that?) I remember thinking at the time, if he never meant to kill her then how did he expect to get away with trying to abuse her? maybe he'd have threatened her to keep her quiet? im not sure. The neighbour/criminal did look quite creepy - as if every paedo looks strange or creepy - are there not movies or other depictions where perfectly normal and respectable looking people turn out to be paedophiles etc.? that might seem even more shocking somehow...

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by belinus

If it was achieved with the gay issue, then make no mistake they can do the same with paedophilia.

I've read some nonsense in my time, but this takes the biscuit.

[belinus]

Quote :

Surely it is no surprise to anyone that a paedophile or group of paedophiles would want to try and normalise it ? thatd does not mean the whole world will buckle and say "oh alright then go on". There are small groups of racists who want to deport anyone of colour that does not mean the rest of us will agree with it and it will happen.

It is not so much the groups, it is that such groups have the ability to promote it at all, and is backed from on high.

Same with the gay lobby, until the end of the 1980's the mindset of this country was anti gay promotion, it took a lot of cash and plants in all aspects of the media and TV to change what was the basic Christian foundation to this country.

Surely you are not refusing to understand that in letting go of the Christian morality, we have a super powerful gay lobby and a growing lobby for sexual relations with children.

Whether you agree or disagree with Christianity, its doctrine kept things in a manner acceptable to the majority, not because of the power of the church, but because we implemented a structure that allowed the personal freedom to be gay just out of the earshot of the little ones, who are confused enough as it is.

My main concern with the way sexuality is being taught in the corporate schools is now I am afraid, based in reality over suspicion.

In June last year my son having left school in may, explained that having just seen one of his school friends, and one I knew myself, he was shocked to be told a whole group of his school friends had decided to be gay, including the chap telling him the story.

You do not just decide to be gay if wee are to believe the decades of gay lyrics and films, you decide to be something when you believe you have a choice. Therefore the subject of gay is now a lifestyle choice and they did not get that from mum and dad.

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by belinus

Quote :

Surely it is no surprise to anyone that a paedophile or group of paedophiles would want to try and normalise it ? thatd does not mean the whole world will buckle and say "oh alright then go on". There are small groups of racists who want to deport anyone of colour that does not mean the rest of us will agree with it and it will happen.

It is not so much the groups, it is that such groups have the ability to promote it at all, and is backed from on high.

Same with the gay lobby, until the end of the 1980's the mindset of this country was anti gay promotion, it took a lot of cash and plants in all aspects of the media and TV to change what was the basic Christian foundation to this country.

Surely you are not refusing to understand that in letting go of the Christian morality, we have a super powerful gay lobby and a growing lobby for sexual relations with children.

Whether you agree or disagree with Christianity, its doctrine kept things in a manner acceptable to the majority, not because of the power of the church, but because we implemented a structure that allowed the personal freedom to be gay just out of the earshot of the little ones, who are confused enough as it is.

My main concern with the way sexuality is being taught in the corporate schools is now I am afraid, based in reality over suspicion.

In June last year my son having left school in may, explained that having just seen one of his school friends, and one I knew myself, he was shocked to be told a whole group of his school friends had decided to be gay, including the chap telling him the story.

You do not just decide to be gay if wee are to believe the decades of gay lyrics and films, you decide to be something when you believe you have a choice. Therefore the subject of gay is now a lifestyle choice and they did not get that from mum and dad.

Is this a direct quote from some website?

[belinus]

Originally Posted by skp20040

No they can't, the majority of people can tell the difference between consenting adults be they gay or straight having sex and older people abusing young children, unless you think we could all suddenly think its ok to abuse children.

I have not claimed that anyone is lobbying to normalise child abuse, they want the normalisation of sexual relations with children, at least try to read my words.

It took the 60's and LSD to change the attitude to homosexuality, before that it was frowned upon like the subject matter of this thread is today, but like I said...it can change.

[lexi22]

Originally Posted by Saltydog1955

I've read some nonsense in my time, but this takes the biscuit.

It really does, doesn't it? But par for the course with that poster.

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by lexi22

It really does, doesn't it? But par for the course with that poster.

It's sick when someone can't tell the difference between a natural thing which is sexuality of whatever kind and a perversion like paedophilia.

[belinus]

Originally Posted by Saltydog1955

It's sick when someone can't tell the difference between a natural thing which is sexuality of whatever kind and a perversion like paedophilia.

"a natural thing"..... and my last word on the matter, can you prove that statement?

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by belinus

"a natural thing"..... and my last word on the matter, can you prove that statement?

So homosexuality is unnatural in your eyes then?

[belinus]

Originally Posted by Saltydog1955

So homosexuality is unnatural in your eyes then?

it is natural for one and a half percent of the population, it is not normal for the remaining 98.5 percent, therefore by scientific evaluation, it is not normal.

The simple fact is homosexuality cannot breed children but it can steal and programme the children of others.

That my good man is fact

[Eurostar]

Originally Posted by belinus

I have not claimed that anyone is lobbying to normalise child abuse, they want the normalisation of sexual relations with children, at least try to read my words.

It took the 60's and LSD to change the attitude to homosexuality, before that it was frowned upon like the subject matter of this thread is today, but like I said...it can change.

I seriously doubt sexual relations with children will ever be normalised or legalised. What will probably happen in future though is that society will become more understanding of the issue and accept that human sexuality is very complex and that attraction to children is probably a sexual orientation in it's own right, even though the need to protect children from abuse and exploitation by adults will be as strong as ever.

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by belinus

it is natural for one and a half percent of the population, it is not normal for the remaining 98.5 percent, therefore by scientific evaluation, it is not normal.

What IS normal?

It's normal for me to be hetero, but normal for my friend P to be gay.

And it's My Lady to you, serf

[belinus]

Originally Posted by Eurostar

I seriously doubt sexual relations with children will ever be normalised or legalised. What will probably happen in future though is that society will become more understanding of the issue and accept that human sexuality is very complex and that attraction to children is probably a sexual orientation in it's own right, even though the need to protect children from abuse and exploitation by adults will be as strong as ever.

I hope you are correct, but we are dealing with a monster in the corporate empire.