[Muttley76]

Originally Posted by gashead

Sean Connery's one of the most famous recipients on that basis. I don't necessarily think his performance in The Untouchables was any worse than his fellow nominees, but the general feeling is that he got it precisely because of the 'Old Guard' need to recognise him.

Don't agree with that, he received critical acclaim for his role in the Untouchables and was a throughly deserving winner, imho.

[Bluray]

Originally Posted by Muttley76

Don't agree with that, he received critical acclaim for his role in the Untouchables and was a throughly deserving winner, imho.

Yeah, I totally agree - that was a deserved win.

[gashead]

Originally Posted by Muttley76

Don't agree with that, he received critical acclaim for his role in the Untouchables and was a throughly deserving winner, imho.

Originally Posted by Bluray

Yeah, I totally agree - that was a deserved win.

Yes, it was good performance, but whether or not it's 'better' than Albert Brooks' or Denzel Washington's is, as always, a matter of personal opinion. I recall at the time that many critics/ journos etc felt that it was Connery's 'legacy' that probably tipped the balance in his favour.

[Bluray]

Originally Posted by gashead

Yes, it was good performance, but whether or not it's 'better' than Albert Brooks' or Denzel Washington's is, as always, a matter of personal opinion. I recall at the time that many critics/ journos etc felt that it was Connery's 'legacy' that probably tipped the balance in his favour.

And critics and journos are always right

[gashead]

Originally Posted by Bluray

And critics and journos are always right

Well, I don't know about you, but Sky, BBC etc didn't ask me my opinion at the time so I can't comment on what us 'experts' think.

[Starry Eyed]

Leonardo DiCaprio getting snubbed year in, year out. It's like the powers that be don't understand he has totally transformed from his Titanic teeny bopper days and is every bit as good as Daniel Day Lewis, who they have some weird raging hard-on for. It was especially bad when DiCaprio wasn't recognised for either Blood Diamond or Shutter Island, in which he's given the best performances of his career thus far imho.

[Muttley76]

Originally Posted by Starry Eyed

Leonardo DiCaprio getting snubbed year in, year out.

Since when does getting nominated three times equate to being snubbed? He was recognised for Blood Diamond, by being nominated for it in the first place, for example. Being snubbed means you don't make the short list at all.

There is plenty of time for him to win yet, his still a relative youngster.

BTW, Forest Whitkers performance in The Last King of Scotland is one of the single most remarkable acting performances I have ever seen, and there is no way DiCaprio deserved to beat him that year, even though he was very good in Blood Diamond.

[mousy]

Gwynneth Paltrow winning over Cate Blanchett

in fact, Gwynneth Paltrow even being nominated

dreadful performance...if that wasn't a fix, nothing was

[dmuk]

No nomination for Superman 4 - The Quest for Peace.

Once again, the industry turns it's nose up at a superhero movie.

[Wulfster]

Originally Posted by dmuk

No nomination for Superman 4 - The Quest for Peace.

Once again, the industry turns it's nose up at a superhero movie.

LOL!!

I must admit that I have never walked out of a cinema screening because of the lack of quality (upset stomach and bomb alert ... yes), but THAT was the film that I come closest to doing it!

[PythonFang]

Originally Posted by Dizzle

It was more disappointing than surprising, and it certainly was not shocking. For Hollywood to even recognise a film of such content was a step forward, but for it to win was just too much as far as they were concerned.

Crash was one of those awful films that likes to think it's dealing with political and social problems without actually scratching the surface or really offending anyone. Hollywood loves that shit. It was an acceptable substitute in an otherwise weak year in their eyes.

To add, I remember reading somewhere that the logic behind voting for the awful Crash over Brokeback Mountain was that by voting for a film that deals with racial issues the Academy felt they could tick the progression box without supporting a film that shows cowboys having anal sex. Nevermind the fact that Brokeback Mountain was the best film that year by some distance (at least in my opinion ).

And when I think about it this win's not even particularly shocking given how much America loves her, but Sandra Bullock beating both Gabourey Sidibe and Carey Mulligan a few years ago was truly terrible.

[Dizzle]

Originally Posted by Muttley76

With all due respect, it most certainly was shocking, every one but every one expected it to win, it was a red hot favourite. In my life time no films failure to win Best Picture has caused more of a stir than this one. There was even the notorious full page ad taken out in Variety magazine in relation to this issue, which is certianly the only time anything like that ever happened.

You would only find it shocking if you expect the Oscars to be like every other award ceremony out there. With a little background knowledge of how the Academy work, there is no way you would find it as shocking.

Originally Posted by PythonFang

To add, I remember reading somewhere that the logic behind voting for the awful Crash over Brokeback Mountain was that by voting for a film that deals with racial issues the Academy felt they could tick the progression box without supporting a film that shows cowboys having anal sex. Nevermind the fact that Brokeback Mountain was the best film that year by some distance (at least in my opinion )

And when I think about it this win's not even particularly shocking given how much America loves her, but Sandra Bullock beating both Gabourey Sidibe and Carey Mulligan a few years ago was truly terrible..

Exactly. It's all Academy politics.

Even Sandra Bullock's win had a feel of "she's paid her dues over the years, let's give her best actress as a reward." All political, she wasn't even nominated for the BAFTA.

Originally Posted by Starry Eyed

Leonardo DiCaprio getting snubbed year in, year out. It's like the powers that be don't understand he has totally transformed from his Titanic teeny bopper days and is every bit as good as Daniel Day Lewis, who they have some weird raging hard-on for. It was especially bad when DiCaprio wasn't recognised for either Blood Diamond or Shutter Island, in which he's given the best performances of his career thus far imho.

I've never understood why people are so insistent that DiCaprio deserves an Academy Award. I'm sure he will win best actor one day, but he's never been close to an Oscar winning performance so far in his career in my view. I think the fact that he seems so desperate for one is harming his immediate chances. And the Daniel Day Lewis comparison is just plain laughable.

[little-monster]

Originally Posted by mousy

Gwynneth Paltrow winning over Cate Blanchett

in fact, Gwynneth Paltrow even being nominated

dreadful performance...if that wasn't a fix, nothing was

I liked Gwyn's performance but i agree, Cate should of walked away with it. Although to be fair, I loved Cate's performance as Katherine Hepburn in Aviator which she did win the oscar for.

[stripedcat]

Originally Posted by little-monster

Grace Kelly beating Judy Garland for Best actress. Was a huge huge shock in the day and something still discussed about to this day. If you have seen Judy in A Star Is Born, you will see why she deserved it.

I agree about Kate Winslet. Her performance in The Reader was crap and perhaps the only performance of her career I have never liked. She should of won for Titanic, but was beaten by the forgettable performance of Helen Hunt.

The 'Grace Kelly/Judy Garland' always gets mentioned. It was not actually as shocking as made out, because Grace had won the Golden Globe, National Board of Review and New York Film Critics' Award for her role in 'The Country Girl', she did seem to have the momentum that year. Plus, having about 4 films out for that year helped.

I also agree that Kate Winslet probably should have won for 'Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind' rather 'The Reader'.

The most recent Oscar surprise was Melissa Leo winning for 'The Fighter' over Hailee Steinfeld for the remake of 'True Grit'.

[Virgil Tracy]

when The Color Purple got nominated for all the major awards and Spielberg wasn't .

[Sez_babe]

What are the main differences between the Golden Globes, the Baftas and the Oscars in terms of voting etc?

[marjangles]

Originally Posted by Sez_babe

What are the main differences between the Golden Globes, the Baftas and the Oscars in terms of voting etc?

The Golden Globes is voted for by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association which is about 100 people who report on the US film industry around the world.

The BAFTAs are voted for by members of the British Academy and the Oscars by members of the American Academy. There are huge overlaps in membership of the two groups but there are various differences. Membership is made up of former winners and nominees plus other invitees of the committees.

I think some of the BAFTA awards are decided by panel rather than vote of the full academy (the technical awards generally) but every Oscar is decided by full vote of the academy.

[degsyhufc]

Originally Posted by Muttley76

Don't agree with that, he received critical acclaim for his role in the Untouchables and was a throughly deserving winner, imho.

It was the perfect Irish accent that clinched it for him

[degsyhufc]

Originally Posted by stripedcat

The most recent Oscar surprise was Melissa Leo winning for 'The Fighter' over Hailee Steinfeld for the remake of 'True Grit'.

Definately agree with that. It was an outstanding performance and she totally outshone Bridges and Damon.

[degsyhufc]

Originally Posted by Starry Eyed

Leonardo DiCaprio getting snubbed year in, year out. It's like the powers that be don't understand he has totally transformed from his Titanic teeny bopper days and is every bit as good as Daniel Day Lewis, who they have some weird raging hard-on for. It was especially bad when DiCaprio wasn't recognised for either Blood Diamond or Shutter Island, in which he's given the best performances of his career thus far imho.

Originally Posted by Dizzle

I've never understood why people are so insistent that DiCaprio deserves an Academy Award. I'm sure he will win best actor one day, but he's never been close to an Oscar winning performance so far in his career in my view. I think the fact that he seems so desperate for one is harming his immediate chances. And the Daniel Day Lewis comparison is just plain laughable.

I just can't take Di Caprio in serious, adult roles. He doesn't have the gravitas. I feel the same about Levitt.

[Mystical123]

Originally Posted by PANNAL1

Marcia Gay Garden and Juliette Binoche winning. Neither were regarded as front runners at all, esp Binoche beating Lauren Bacall.

Binoche beating Bacall was the first thing I thought of whenI read this thread's title.

Originally Posted by Muttley76

In recent years, I think the biggest shock was Crash beating Brokeback Mountain in 2005, as the latter had won just about every other Best Picture award all award season till that point.

I wouldn't call it a shock at all - the Academy is still quite conservative so it was never going to reward Brokeback. I actually liked Crash so wasn't disappointed at it winning!




Not a shock as such, and she certainly deserved another Oscar, but the Iron Lady is far from Meryl Streep's best work, and Viola Davis or Michelle Williams really should have won instead last year.

[brumgal]

Ennio Morrocone not getting it for The Mission score.

[Johnbee]

I would not describe any film award as a shock. People who are 'shocked' by that sort of thing have taken leave of their senses.

However I will say that in the year Forrest Gump won best picture, all the others nominated were better.

Kate Winslet was absolutely wonderful in The Reader. Marisa Tomei was brilliant and funny in My Cousin Vinny, well worth the win.

[allthatyouwant]

Even though I loved Bridesmaids and Melissa McCarthy I was a little bit surprised to see her get an Oscar nomination, she was very good in the film but would you call it Oscar worthy?

[Toy_Hero]

Originally Posted by mousy

Gwynneth Paltrow winning over Cate Blanchett

in fact, Gwynneth Paltrow even being nominated

dreadful performance...if that wasn't a fix, nothing was

This is what came to my mind. Oh my god, for me she was probably the least deserving in the category. I personally thought Fernanda Montenegro deserved it for Central Station. Her performance was just amazing!! If she hadn't have won, I was expecting Cate Blanchett to have won

Maybe not a shocker, but I thought Tilda Swinton deserved a nomination for We Need To Talk About Kevin last year