[Apple_Crumble]

Tommy Lee Jones (The Fugitive) winning best supporting actor over Ralph Fiennes (Schindler's List). A big ol' WTF.

Clive Owen (Closer) missing out on best supporting actor to Morgan Freeman (A Million Dollar Baby). I'm a fan of Morgan Freeman, but I thought Clive Owen was superb in Closer.

Crash winning best picture.

[JCR]

Originally Posted by gashead

Sean Connery's one of the most famous recipients on that basis. I don't necessarily think his performance in The Untouchables was any worse than his fellow nominees, but the general feeling is that he got it precisely because of the 'Old Guard' need to recognise him.

John Wayne winning for True Grit would be a better example of that.

[Muttley76]

Originally Posted by Apple_Crumble

Tommy Lee Jones (The Fugitive) winning best supporting actor over Ralph Fiennes (Schindler's List). A big ol' WTF.

I really enjoyed Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive, but i do agree with you.

Actually, last year i was working on a video project about best picture nominees and i was really surprised to find that The Fugitive had been nominated for Best Picture back in the days when they only shortlisted 5. It's a good solid picture, but Best Picture nominee! Really??

[Mystical123]

Originally Posted by Apple_Crumble

Tommy Lee Jones (The Fugitive) winning best supporting actor over Ralph Fiennes (Schindler's List). A big ol' WTF.

Clive Owen (Closer) missing out on best supporting actor to Morgan Freeman (A Million Dollar Baby). I'm a fan of Morgan Freeman, but I thought Clive Owen was superb in Closer.

Agree with the first one. As for the 2nd, Freeman was brilliant in Million Dollar Baby, both he and Hilary Swank deserved their awards.

Originally Posted by brumgal

Ennio Morrocone not getting it for The Mission score.

Agreed!

[Sez_babe]

Originally Posted by marjangles

The Golden Globes is voted for by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association which is about 100 people who report on the US film industry around the world.

The BAFTAs are voted for by members of the British Academy and the Oscars by members of the American Academy. There are huge overlaps in membership of the two groups but there are various differences. Membership is made up of former winners and nominees plus other invitees of the committees.

I think some of the BAFTA awards are decided by panel rather than vote of the full academy (the technical awards generally) but every Oscar is decided by full vote of the academy.

Brilliant. Thanks for that

[Gurgles]

Originally Posted by mousy

Gwynneth Paltrow winning over Cate Blanchett

in fact, Gwynneth Paltrow even being nominated

dreadful performance...if that wasn't a fix, nothing was

But then we'd have missed out on her extraordinarily moving speech... Nah, I absolutely agree with you.

Robert Donat winning Best Actor Oscar for his 1939 role in Goodbye Mr Chips was a massive shocker for that year as the contenders were so strong.. He won over Clark Gable for Gone With The Wind, Laurence Olivier for Wuthering Heights, James Stewart for Mr Smith Goes To Washington and Mickey Rooney for Babes in Arms.

Saying that, I love his performance as Mr Chips so am glad he won.

[footygirl]

Julie Christie beating Julie Andrews - Andrews should have won for Sound of Music. Also Christopher Plummer should have had a best actor nomination, with Eleanor Parker for best supporting actress

Cher beating Glenn Close

and

CZJ getting supporting actress over Queen Latifah - Latifah made a corrupt wardress warm and likeable. Don't think CZJ deserved it

[Muttley76]

Originally Posted by Gurgles

But then we'd have missed out on her extraordinarily moving speech... Nah, I absolutely agree with you.

Robert Donat winning Best Actor Oscar for his 1939 role in Goodbye Mr Chips was a massive shocker for that year as the contenders were so strong.. He won over Clark Gable for Gone With The Wind, Laurence Olivier for Wuthering Heights, James Stewart for Mr Smith Goes To Washington and Mickey Rooney for Babes in Arms.

Saying that, I love his performance as Mr Chips so am glad he won.

I think that was arguably the strongest shortlist in oscar history, all would have been worthy winners. I personally adore James Stewarts performance in Mr Smith Goes to Washington, but I think Donat deserved it because he had to act the part of a man from youth to death, no mean feat to do convincingly even now, with all the technological advancements to make it cosmetically easier.

I remember seeing an american programme about Clark Gable with a distance relative of him featured ranting about how "no one remembered" the winner of best actor that year and how Gable was "robbed". One can only assume he really wasn't clued up as to who the competition was...

[BastardBeaver]

Crash winning best picture is the one I can remember. Nobody saw that one coming.

[footygirl]

can anyone offer me any suggestions as to why CZJ got supporting actress over Queen Latifah

[Mystical123]

Originally Posted by footygirl

can anyone offer me any suggestions as to why CZJ got supporting actress over Queen Latifah

Maybe because people knew Queen Latifah could sing but CZJ was a surprise in that regard. And she had to do more dancing. Velma and Mama Morton are equally important parts really. I actually think Queen Latifah was better in Hairspray than in Chicago, but I know I may well be in the minority for that.

[footygirl]

Originally Posted by Mystical123

Maybe because people knew Queen Latifah could sing but CZJ was a surprise in that regard. And she had to do more dancing. Velma and Mama Morton are equally important parts really. I actually think Queen Latifah was better in Hairspray than in Chicago, but I know I may well be in the minority for that.

but hadn't CZJ tried to launch a music career in the UK beforehand that ultimately flopped

[Jethryk]

Originally Posted by JCR

John Wayne winning for True Grit would be a better example of that.

Or Paul Newman in the Color of Money.

[BastardBeaver]

Originally Posted by footygirl

but hadn't CZJ tried to launch a music career in the UK beforehand that ultimately flopped

She did a great song with David Essex.

[DigiPal]

The Color Purple being nominated for 11 awards and coming away with nothing

[PANNAL1]

Am with those who preferred Queen Latifah in Chicago, I also thought John C Reilly was terrific.

[guestofseth]

Not sure if this was a shock per se, but Bette Davis should have won for All About Eve.

I doubt there will be any shocks this year, unless Anne Hathaway loses which I think she could to Sally Field if Lincoln's strong showing in the nominations is anything to go by.

[footygirl]

Did CZJ being married to Michael Douglas have anything to do with her beating Queen Latifah, who for me gave the better performance

[Cally's mum]

Originally Posted by DigiPal

The Color Purple being nominated for 11 awards and coming away with nothing

And 'Out of Africa' - the 'worthy' film with Robert Redford and Meryl Streep won Best Picture instead.

To this day I have never seen that film. I firmly believe that it won because the Academy didn't want to give Spielberg the award because he was looked on as an 'enfante terrible' and had to 'earn his dues'.

Course, he then won with 'Schindlers List'. Which was a deserved winner, actually. Although I felt that this would get the award as it had all the 'qualities' that the Academy looks for in a film. That it was brilliant as well was just sheer coincidence.

Hollywood is incredibly political and the Oscars even more so. It's more of a surprise (not a shock) when something or someone that deserves the Oscar wins!

[Mystical123]

Originally Posted by footygirl

but hadn't CZJ tried to launch a music career in the UK beforehand that ultimately flopped

Oops, didn't know that I have no idea then, I thought she and Queen Latifah were equally good in Chicago. Latifah would have given a better winners' speech though than the awful one CZJ blamed on her hormones!

Originally Posted by guestofseth

I doubt there will be any shocks this year, unless Anne Hathaway loses which I think she could to Sally Field if Lincoln's strong showing in the nominations is anything to go by.

I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. I'll certainly consider it a shock if Hathaway doesn't win.

[Blah123]

I loved Queen Latifah in Chicago but I do feel CZJ did deserve that Oscar. She was fantastic.

I just think it's a travesty Julianne Moore hasn't won anything yet.

[alisonrose3764]

Originally Posted by Apple_Crumble

Tommy Lee Jones (The Fugitive) winning best supporting actor over Ralph Fiennes (Schindler's List). A big ol' WTF.

Clive Owen (Closer) missing out on best supporting actor to Morgan Freeman (A Million Dollar Baby). I'm a fan of Morgan Freeman, but I thought Clive Owen was superb in Closer.

Crash winning best picture.

Was just about to say the same - Fiennes losing out to Tommy Lee Jones was a real shock to me - have never forgiven TLJ

[Gort]

Originally Posted by guestofseth

Not sure if this was a shock per se, but Bette Davis should have won for All About Eve.

She was excellent in All About Eve, but I preferred Gloria Swanson's performance in Sunset Boulevard. Still, I agree that Bette Davis deserved it over Judy Holliday's performance in Born Yesterday. Certainly an eye opener if not a shock.

[jrmswfc]

Bjork's swan dress

[degsyhufc]

Originally Posted by footygirl

Julie Christie beating Julie Andrews - Andrews should have won for Sound of Music. Also Christopher Plummer should have had a best actor nomination, with Eleanor Parker for best supporting actress

He picked up an award a couple of years back. Could that be classed as another award for the old guard though?