[Wayne_Daniels]

Trevors questions are poor

[Cherrybomber]

Originally Posted by heiker

Can't help thinking that for the same crime but committed in the UK as opposed to the USA most of these guys would be out of prison in years totalling barely two figures and certainly never full life sentences.

That's not true, there is a section of media who pedal such a theory and it's become something of a modern myth.
It does happen that people get fairly light sentances for what appears to be a severe crime, but many people are in jail for a very long time and some are never getting out.

[jwar1976]

if they are 100% guilty & should they die inside via the injection or by old age, then justice has been done. You take another persons life then the only way you should be able to leave jail is in a box. Yes this is for child killers as well.

[heiker]

Originally Posted by ganderpoke66

So, what are you saying, which penal system protects the public better , USA or UK ?

Where did I say, hint or suggest that?

[myss]

Originally Posted by CarrieNYC

I'm finding it fascinating. This particular prisoner comes across as very intelligent and articulate and you do find yourself feeling an empathy for him.

Makes me wonder what things would be like if we had death row or those types of sentences here.

I'm also finding it interesting, although I have no empathy and glad to see their punishment. I hope it is as restricted over here but I doubt it.

What I will say though is that particular prisoner (Sanford?) comes over so articulate and educated that it is fascinating to see that if he had taken even a slightly better path in life than he did, he could have found himself at a much higher level of society than even he may have perceived (at the time he committed his crime) he could have reached.
What a waste of a life, I wish the prison would make him speak with young people, gang members, etc to show them not to waste their lives doing rubbish.

[Cherrybomber]

Originally Posted by jwar1976

if they are 100% guilty & should they die inside via the injection or by old age, then justice has been done. You take another persons life then the only way you should be able to leave jail is in a box. Yes this is for child killers as well.

I dont agree. Every case has to be looked at on it's own merits.

What is interesting, and it applies in this country too, is that some lifers dont apply for parole because they do not want to come out of jail, they believe they should die in jail. That is their choice.

[heiker]

Originally Posted by Cherrybomber

That's not true, there is a section of media who pedal such a theory and it's become something of a modern myth.
It does happen that people get fairly light sentances for what appears to be a severe crime, but many people are in jail for a very long time and some are never getting out.

The guys who murdered Damilola Taylor and avoided prosecution for as long as they possibly could didn't get life sentences.

[habby]

They need a few 150 year sentences here.

Starting with Simon Cowell for inflicting Crap Factor on us!!!!

[Cherrybomber]

Originally Posted by heiker

The guys who murdered Damilola Taylor and avoided prosecution for as long as they possibly could didn't get life sentences.

Thats in line with what I said, but that case and outcome is not typical.

Originally Posted by habby

They need a few 150 year sentences here.

Starting with Simon Cowell for inflicting Crap Factor on us!!!!

thank you, that's lightened the mood.

[j'aimelatele]

On a lighter note, what is that kind of 'moustache' on Trevor's upper lip...almost look like he didnt shave properly!

[myss]

Originally Posted by LW09

I quite like that he's being polite. So many people on these types of documentaries just interrogate them. This one just feels like dropping in on them, and its great to see a human side to what is usually a group of people perceived as dangerous monsters.

I think anyone would feel a little awkward or apprehensive in that kind of setting.

Yes, I would agree with it, nice way to describe it.

[Steve35]

Originally Posted by habby

Seems if you're a murderer you must have tattoos!!

Most of them are/were in gangs

[heiker]

Originally Posted by habby

They need a few 150 year sentences here.

Starting with Simon Cowell for inflicting Crap Factor on us!!!!

Simon Cowell + 23 hours in a cell + prison food = one fat b@st@rd

[ganderpoke66]

Of course they come across as nice, quiet, intelligent guys, thay are psychos, everyone goes, aw shame, if only he'd been given a chance in life he wouldn't have spent two days torturing and killing a family for no explicable reason.

These programmes do more harm than good, we have no idea the scale of violent crime in the USA, another swipe at US Justice by some Liberal Leftie bed wetting Brit .

[Steve35]

Originally Posted by ganderpoke66

Of course they come across as nice, quiet, intelligent guys, thay are psychos, everyone goes, aw shame, if only he'd been given a chance in life he wouldn't have spent two days torturing and killing a family for no explicable reason.

These programmes do more harm than good, we have no idea the scale of violent crime in the USA, another swipe at US Justice by some Liberal Leftie bed wetting Brit .

I didn't think that at all.

[jonjons]

I really enjoyed this documentary it was really interesting with a non-biased portrayal of any prisoner. We were not suppose to see them as good nor as bad. There was one guy who came across really well but then said if he was out of prison he could easily kill again and it makes it real that this is what these prisoners are like.

It was interesting to see the different types of cells that they can have and how different it is from the tv programmes such as Prison Break and Bad Girls that we build our opinions on.

Sir Trevor did really well , he asked the questions I would have asked and he was humane acting as any of us would have, had we been in that situation

[Hotgossip]

Originally Posted by heiker

The guys who murdered Damilola Taylor and avoided prosecution for as long as they possibly could didn't get life sentences.

And the kids who murdered Jamie Bulger. His Mum was on TV today talking about one of them.

[Evil Genius]

Originally Posted by myss

I'm also finding it interesting, although I have no empathy and glad to see their punishment. I hope it is as restricted over here but I doubt it.

What I will say though is that particular prisoner (Sanford?) comes over so articulate and educated that it is fascinating to see that if he had taken even a slightly better path in life than he did, he could have found himself at a much higher level of society than even he may have perceived (at the time he committed his crime) he could have reached.
What a waste of a life, I wish the prison would make him speak with young people, gang members, etc to show them not to waste their lives doing rubbish.

Its almost ironic, that you see prisoners who do this, use their time to improve themselves. You know they would never have had the opportunity or time to do so on the outside that they are afforded inside.

[Joel's dad]

I agree i felt it was unbias. I didnt feel sorry for any of them. It was handled correctly IMO

Look forward to hearing next weeks episode. I did think it was heavy and have watched johnathon ross to mame me laugh

[eveningstar]

I was amazed that an english woman had gone out there and married one of the men, even knowing what he'd done.

[sunhillpc1]

Originally Posted by Joel's dad

170 seems a tad harsh for a 13 y o jmo

Recently, the US Supreme Court declared the sentencing of juveniles to life without parole unconstitutional. 170 years imprisonment is a de facto life sentence. Couldn't he apply to have his sentence reviewed?

[sunhillpc1]

With regard to the death row inmate who murdered his wife and children, Trevor didn't ask him why he did it. Usually, people who kill their spouses and their children also kill themselves.

[Apple_Crumble]

I thought it was superb.

I got the impression that Ronald Sanford deeply regretted his actions. He must look at his 13-year-old self and think 'WTF'.

[TrebleKing]

Originally Posted by Joel's dad

170 seems a tad harsh for a 13 y o jmo

I prefer to direct my sympathy towards the two innocent old women he butchered. Maybe that's just me though..

[QwertyGirl1771]

I watched this earlier with daughter and we found it interesting. She wants to be a police officer and I worked as a jailer in some courts, so we found this quite intreguing. We wanted to be sympathetic about the inmates for the harsh sentances but on the other hand we were thinking of the victims and their families and how they must also feel with justice being served.