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Old 01-10-2012, 19:51
Eston Bleu
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So what's with the BBC?

On channel 301, watching a music performance, the "PRESS | O" (red button) symbol appears.

On every other channel you can press GREEN to make it go away, and on the Sky-affiliated channels (?) pressing EXIT does the same job, but on Channel 301, nothing will make it go away.

What is with the people who make these decisions? What would it hurt to allow people to make the MHEG symbol disappear if it was unwanted?

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Old 01-10-2012, 20:12
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PLEASE complain to the BBC - www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
It may just be finger trouble! but let them know!
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Old 01-10-2012, 20:52
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So what's with the BBC?

On channel 301, watching a music performance, the "PRESS | O" (red button) symbol appears.

On every other channel you can press GREEN to make it go away, and on the Sky-affiliated channels (?) pressing EXIT does the same job, but on Channel 301, nothing will make it go away.

What is with the people who make these decisions? What would it hurt to allow people to make the MHEG symbol disappear if it was unwanted?

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Fascist is not really applicable in this scenario. It demeans the proper use of the word.
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Old 01-10-2012, 22:51
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Fascist is not really applicable in this scenario. It demeans the proper use of the word.
I suppose pedant would also be an inaccurate term to use?
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Old 02-10-2012, 06:29
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I suppose pedant would also be an inaccurate term to use?
Maybe. But seriously. How can the operation of the red button be described as fascist.
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:44
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To answer the substantive question.

Channel 301 isn't a "proper" channel. So although you can register your displeasure with the BBCs operation of the channel, they arn't going to take much notice. (They don't even take notice of valid complaints on the main channels).

If you can watch 301 on a PVR, either record and play back later or use the pause and resume function - usually gets rid of stray press reds.

It really is a pity that equipment manufacturers don't provide a menu option - turn off interactivity.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:24
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Channel 301 isn't a "proper" channel. So although you can register your displeasure with the BBCs operation of the channel, they arn't going to take much notice. (They don't even take notice of valid complaints on the main channels).
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beside the fact that the BBC does take notice of comments ... It looks as it this was a technical finger trouble - which is a lot easier to put right!
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Old 02-10-2012, 11:25
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beside the fact that the BBC does take notice of comments ... It looks as it this was a technical finger trouble - which is a lot easier to put right!
I don't see much evidence for the BBC (or indeed any other broadcaster) taking notice of comments.

Don't know what you mean by "technical finger trouble". 301 does have a problem with "press red" and "menu" buttons that cannot be removed.
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Old 02-10-2012, 11:32
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Technical trouble - It may be that the script that either allows the Red button to time out and or to be removed by green has not been run for that particular initiation of red button.

Listening to comments - the BBC did that for the ""jubilee boats" because the comments on the "Royal wedding" was that it was too stuffy - and need to be lighter! - But I think they agree that they didn't get it quite right ... and then it Rained so very very heavily!
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Old 02-10-2012, 11:41
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I don't see much evidence for the BBC (or indeed any other broadcaster) taking notice of comments..
Well, the BBC one HD DOG has run away and despite calls to local vets, rescue homes and the DOGs Trust, has yet to be found.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:38
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Listening to comments - the BBC did that for the ""jubilee boats" because the comments on the "Royal wedding" was that it was too stuffy - and need to be lighter! - But I think they agree that they didn't get it quite right ... and then it Rained so very very heavily! .
Well, the BBC one HD DOG has run away and despite calls to local vets, rescue homes and the DOGs Trust, has yet to be found.
BBC3/4 DOGS, animated CBBC & CBeebies DOGs still around and barking loudly. Loud background music, credit squeeze, gobby announcers, white subtitles on white background, wobble-cam, and many more, still ignored. (Could say the same about ITV, C4, especially C5 and Sky's "Freeview" channels).

Technical trouble - It may be that the script that either allows the Red button to time out and or to be removed by green has not been run for that particular initiation of red button.
Don't think there has ever been an option on 301 to remove a press red once it appears, apart from press it, when you end up with a blue menu button. Sometimes press red doesn't appear at all if you tune into 301 rather than navigate there from a press red on BBC1/2/3/4. Perhaps this is the technical trouble you mean?
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:48
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. Loud background music,
they have publicly said that they will not pay a programme maker if they have too many complaints about BGM until it is re edited balanced -
- the stick
- and a lot on BBC Academy stuff - starting with Danny Cohen http://www.bbc.co.uk/academy/college..._matters_cohen
- the carrot ..
(if you doubt the stick - there was one Programme with ever changing aspects ratios - and they could not recover it so did not get paid!)

Don't think there has ever been an option on 301 to remove a press red once it appears,
Press Green - and they also timed out except for editorial reasons during the News! see http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/digit...eractive.shtml
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:55
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BBC3/4 DOGS, animated CBBC & CBeebies DOGs still around and barking loudly. Loud background music, credit squeeze, gobby announcers, white subtitles on white background, wobble-cam, and many more, still ignored. (Could say the same about ITV, C4, especially C5 and Sky's "Freeview" channels).
Ah, loud background music:

Professor Brian Cox's Wonders of the Universe is 'too loud', BBC admits

The BBC has agreed to turn down the volume on its Wonders of the Universe programme, after viewers complained of the obnoxiously loud background music in Professor Brian Cox's show.

Professor Cox’s impassioned explanations of the universe have proved a hit with viewers, but many were angry that the programme was simply too loud, with the majority of complaints directed at the background music.

Consequently, the BBC has agreed to re-edit the whole series of Wonders of the Universe to make it more audio-friendly.

Jonathan Renouf, the show’s executive producer, said: ‘Clearly none of us set out to make programmes where we can't hear the presenter, so if we have got that wrong then we need to do something about it. There's been enough volume of complaints [sic] about this that I think we clearly have made an error of judgement.

‘So we are remixing the sound for all the films to pull down the music and effects levels during the segments where Brian is talking, and we are very hopeful that will correct any problems that the audience have had.’
http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/858031-pro...oud-bbc-admits


So much for not taking notice of comments!
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Old 02-10-2012, 17:27
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Maybe. But seriously. How can the operation of the red button be described as fascist.
Seriously? Not at all. It's called hyperbole.

hy·per·bo·le [hahy-pur-buh-lee]
noun. Rhetoric.
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

Technical trouble - It may be that the script that either allows the Red button to time out and or to be removed by green has not been run for that particular initiation of red button.
Yeah, that may be it, but given how the Beeb stopped the red button timing out after a few seconds (like it still does on freesat) I wasn't too certain that might have been the only explaination. I guess we'll see if it happens int he future.
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Old 02-10-2012, 18:49
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On every other channel you can press GREEN to make it go away, and on the Sky-affiliated channels (?) pressing EXIT does the same job, but on Channel 301, nothing will make it go away.

Are you using a PVR? If so there is a crude workaround - pause the live broadcast for a second or two then continue watching, that gets rid of it.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:43
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Are you using a PVR? If so there is a crude workaround - pause the live broadcast for a second or two then continue watching, that gets rid of it.
See post #6
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Old 25-10-2012, 08:39
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Old 25-10-2012, 08:55
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Well, the BBC one HD DOG has run away and despite calls to local vets, rescue homes and the DOGs Trust, has yet to be found.
Shame its sibling on the BBC HD channel doesn't do the same thing.
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Old 25-10-2012, 09:52
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It might be something to do with the Beeb's decision to radically reduce / cut the red button services.

On Sky, the multiscreen has now been cut from 5 screens to 1 (being the same as freeview). So could be something to do with their end that they are doing?
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Old 25-10-2012, 10:13
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The Reason for cutting down the Red button feeds were established about two years ago
- in simple terms did not meet a PVT - as it is expensive to transmit .....
but as Sue_Aitch has pointed out now is your time to comment -
I point you to my post on BBC Boards as there are a lot of things you need to read http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofv...thread=8390642

Connected TV is the way forward which gives almost infinite Red Button channels -
and as the UK Market is many years ahead of other ... now is the time to act!

(In case you doubt BB rollout - 2/3 households will be able to get BT Infinity or similar within 7 months and there is also Virgin - but their Tivo is the way to go! ... and Iplayer HD can work on a sub 5 Mbit/sec connection..so no need for Infinity! )
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Old 20-01-2013, 08:27
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http://consultations.external.bbc.co...edbuttonreview closes soon
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Old 20-01-2013, 12:20
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Connected TV is the way forward which gives almost infinite Red Button channels
Only if they make it as easy to record those as it is/was the broadcast Red Button streams or make the content available as view on demand streams via iPlayer or whatever. My particular interest here is the MotoGP quali sessions which are low in the pecking order if there is anything involving a ball or more wheels to show instead and which do not get put on iPlayer.
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Old 20-01-2013, 13:50
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Fascist is not really applicable in this scenario. It demeans the proper use of the word.
Yah, as in traffic wardens.
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