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Old 25-01-2013, 18:40
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(cutting a long story short) I was on YouTube watching 'Oom Pa pa' from the film 'Oliver!' (felt like it that's why ) and under the comments section someone put "In London, the steps where Nancy takes Oliver to "be free" are actually titled 'nancy's steps".

However my question is, are these infamous steps where all this from the movie was filmed or something else? Because I googled it and they don't look like the steps from the film!

Petty I know but I want to know
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Old 25-01-2013, 18:46
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they're the steps in the book for sure
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Old 25-01-2013, 18:54
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(cutting a long story short) I was on YouTube watching 'Oom Pa pa' from the film 'Oliver!' (felt like it that's why ) and under the comments section someone put "In London, the steps where Nancy takes Oliver to "be free" are actually titled 'nancy's steps".

However my question is, are these infamous steps where all this from the movie was filmed or something else? Because I googled it and they don't look like the steps from the film!

Petty I know but I want to know
http://www.ukattraction.com/london/nancys-steps.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_(Oliver_Twist)

http://www.lostindustry.org.uk/walkLondonbridge.htm

Nancys steps are indeed part of London Bridge and there is a Plaque there , now whether they used the same steps in filming or if they used a set is another matter.
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Old 25-01-2013, 19:08
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they're the steps in the book for sure
But she doesn't go to the steps at all in the book (apparently..according to wikipedia ). So how can they be!?
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Old 25-01-2013, 19:29
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are you sure?

maybe in the book she was beaten to death on the Cobb at Lyme Regis. Rings a vague bell
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Old 25-01-2013, 19:51
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In the book she is killed in her room. It is a chilling scene.
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Old 25-01-2013, 20:00
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it's where the fateful conversation takes place that seals Nancy's fate
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Old 25-01-2013, 20:02
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it's where the fateful conversation takes place that seals Nancy's fate
Ah..sorry. I haven't seen the film for years. Will dig the book out and look
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Old 25-01-2013, 20:06
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what I remember from the book is the first paragraph, which was a complete clunker. It probably had the word "evince" in it. And the picture of Fagin in his condemned cell, which wouldn't pass muster these days
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Old 25-01-2013, 21:02
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So are these infamous steps not where the film scene took place?

I re-watched the scene and thought it looked too expensive to recreate a set for the time the film was made so it just had to be the real location doubt it though.
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Old 25-01-2013, 21:44
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I think the steps in the film are open - the ones in the picture on the link have a sort of tunnelled top.
Was that bit filmed in the studio, which was probably Shepperton.
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Old 25-01-2013, 22:58
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'Nancy's Steps' do sort of look like the ones based from the movie (even if they wern't the steps used to shoot the scene(s) in the movie).
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Old 25-01-2013, 23:11
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Okay I think I may have found my answer (though please correct me if I'm wrong as I really would like to know for sure).

I read online that the steps in the movie where Nancy tries to see off Oliver and is eventually killed by Bill Sykes ARE the steps used in the movie but pretty much all of it was later removed and deported somewhere (Arizona I think it said ) but "they" (whoever they may be) kept strictly the steps.
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Old 26-01-2013, 00:40
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Okay I think I may have found my answer (though please correct me if I'm wrong as I really would like to know for sure).

I read online that the steps in the movie where Nancy tries to see off Oliver and is eventually killed by Bill Sykes ARE the steps used in the movie but pretty much all of it was later removed and deported somewhere (Arizona I think it said ) but "they" (whoever they may be) kept strictly the steps.
God Immigration were harsh in those days !

The old London Bridge was sold and exported to the USA but the steps remained.
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Old 26-01-2013, 08:26
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Okay I think I may have found my answer (though please correct me if I'm wrong as I really would like to know for sure).

I read online that the steps in the movie where Nancy tries to see off Oliver and is eventually killed by Bill Sykes ARE the steps used in the movie but pretty much all of it was later removed and deported somewhere (Arizona I think it said ) but "they" (whoever they may be) kept strictly the steps.
so, the steps are probably the "right" steps, but between the book and the film, the "wrong" thing happened there
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Old 26-01-2013, 10:21
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so, the steps are probably the "right" steps, but between the book and the film, the "wrong" thing happened there
Yes basically

From what I can gather (though still not sure)...

These 'Nancy's steps' were where her movie death was filmed (the 1968 musical film). But whoever created Nancy's plaque got it muddled. (Unless the plaque was made/put up BEFORE the movie was filmed...in which case, I am baffled!.....(another scenario The plaque may have been there way before the film was made, but the film took inspiration from the title/meaning of the steps so they acted Nancy's death there as a sort of nod to it? Oh dear, who knows!)
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Old 26-01-2013, 10:46
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I thought (as of yesterday) that the plaque or the name had been there long before the film, and also on Google that it gets stolen now and again. It's not in the same league as "Abbey Road" I suppose, but seeing you're such a fan of the film, I wouldn't be surprised if you popped along there one dark night and jemmied it off the wall........
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Old 27-01-2013, 09:57
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I thought (as of yesterday) that the plaque or the name had been there long before the film, and also on Google that it gets stolen now and again. It's not in the same league as "Abbey Road" I suppose, but seeing you're such a fan of the film, I wouldn't be surprised if you popped along there one dark night and jemmied it off the wall........
I most certainly would not!

Anyway, when someone steals it, does the council or whoever just get a new one made and put back there?
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Old 27-01-2013, 10:15
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At that time nearly all movies were filmed in totality on sound stages, so its unlikely the real steps were used.
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Old 27-01-2013, 10:39
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I most certainly would not!

Anyway, when someone steals it, does the council or whoever just get a new one made and put back there?
why are you wondering about all that, if you haven't already thought of pinching it?
anyway, if it's the Council that replaces it, that's the same as being free anyway
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Old 27-01-2013, 11:49
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why are you wondering about all that, if you haven't already thought of pinching it?
anyway, if it's the Council that replaces it, that's the same as being free anyway
Thanks. I'll get back to you.
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Old 12-02-2013, 20:40
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I've still found out no further on Nancy's steps
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