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Old 26-01-2013, 19:37
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For some it's every day language and it doesn't matter if you're a comedian from the east end or an actor who went to eton and cambridge.

Kirsty Young has a lovely swearing voice.
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Old 26-01-2013, 23:37
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Kirsty Young has a lovely swearing voice.
I thought it was just me that thought that
She does make it sound really sensual
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Old 28-01-2013, 02:03
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Early seasons of South Park were self-censored, because the producers worked out that if they bleeped it themselves they'd be able to pass more uncut than if Comedy Central bleeped it (though on occasion Comedy Central have re-bleeped episodes). In later seasons they produced uncut international versions and bleeped US versions.

But they still need permission from Comedy Central to release the uncut version, which is why an uncut version of "201" has never surfaced.
I can understand CC caution with foreign markets, rules vary from country to country, but granting permission on an episode by episode basis seems over the top.

For some it's every day language and it doesn't matter if you're a comedian from the east end or an actor who went to eton and cambridge.

Kirsty Young has a lovely swearing voice.
Filthy mind too. There's a good reason she is a regular on HIGNFY.
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:35
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F-words with a fore-word, e.g: Mother & the C-word are defined as 'Very Strong Language'

Just because an f-word has mother in front of it does not make it very strong language. The C-Word is very strong language. Just that. They always say it has very strong language, and it never does.
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:39
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Treasures of Ancient Rome was broadcast before 9 this evening and I am sure they mentioned Hadrian's dinner guests getting "pissed".
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:40
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Whats the point of these warning neither of any skys channels show these warnings. so why does the BBC have too? or come to that the ITV as well
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Old 03-02-2013, 02:21
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F-words with a fore-word, e.g: Mother & the C-word are defined as 'Very Strong Language'

Just because an f-word has mother in front of it does not make it very strong language. The C-Word is very strong language. Just that. They always say it has very strong language, and it never does.
Yes it does. in terms of what the Ofcom broadcasting code sets out. And its also a very offensive term to use anyway.
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:40
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Sky do give some basic content warnings before films on their movie channels, along with the age rating, but don't have a specific one for very strong language.

Both the c-word and the mother-word have been considered *very* strong for years - leads to the slightly silly situation where channels have been known to censor the word mother, but leave the second part! Red Heat on one of the ITV channels was the last time I saw this.
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:41
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They should broadcast Nil By Mouth. Don't think they ever would.
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:44
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Treasures of Ancient Rome was broadcast before 9 this evening and I am sure they mentioned Hadrian's dinner guests getting "pissed".
Thats hardly strong language though is it?
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Old 03-02-2013, 12:47
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Whats the point of these warning neither of any skys channels show these warnings. so why does the BBC have too? or come to that the ITV as well
Yes they do. Sky always give warnings before any show with Strong language, violence, sexual content etc.
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Old 03-02-2013, 12:50
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They should broadcast Nil By Mouth. Don't think they ever would.
Why? I am sure the film has been shown on Channel 4 in the past and has been on Sky Movies quite recently. The film hasn't been banned from British TV!
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Old 03-02-2013, 15:36
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Very strong language doesn't mean any specific words, it's the way it's delivered if someone says really aggressively 'f**k you' that's strong language, if someone says 'f**k you' in a more calm way or jokey way that is just bad language and not very strong language.
There's no such thing as "bad language".

F-words with a fore-word, e.g: Mother & the C-word are defined as 'Very Strong Language'
Its what the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and so on have always worked with and what the viewing public knows, mostly.
So yes, its VERY much to do with the specific words.
I never realised that 'mother' was such a swear word?

Agreed, I don't particularly want to listen to unnecessary 'strong language' (and most is unnecessary). It is usually a good indication that the programme is going to be rubbish so I will avoid it.
Best get back to the Daily Mail forums before they miss you!

So why is there no warning before every episode of Mrs Brown's Boys?
Because it's appalling?

The one that gets me is on the news where both BBC and ITN say ''The following report contains upsetting scenes'' or similar phrases. But there's no clue what these scenes are (and what upsets one person might not upset another). Surely the editor(s) should do what they're paid for and make the reports suitable for family viewing.
Yes I agree, they should send an email to all war zones and ask that anyone killing people make sure the dead bodies are nicely arranged and dressed in the latest fashion for the cameras so as not to upset anyone.
^^ This.

C4 News treats viewers with more intelligence. They don't go OTT with such scenes, but they don't shy away from them when necessary.

They should put the warning before HIGNFY then they wouldn't have to resort to bleeping
I was about to say (although I've detailed it on the appropriate thread) about all the times I've complained about the censorship.

I read a story that was quoting the exe producer Richard Wilson saying the reason its bleeped now, is because he got so sick and tired of fighting with the BBC on a weekly basis to include the words uncut.
And because the BBC has such a moronic manner in how strong language is passed for broadcast, the fact HIGNFY is filmed on a Thursday evening, meant by the time clearance came, it was to late and the final edit had been rendered and to go back then unedit it, would be to costly and the BBC wouldn't agree to that either.
Most of the time, the BBC would deny the request anyway. It was the days where even Friday Night With Jonathan Ross show was bleeped way past 11pm at night. Fearing one petty whino instead of realizing that actually, were adults and don't need censorship the likes of US tv!
(The process currently for strong language for BBC is..
Exec producer sends request form to the BBC channel controller, who will review it, then send to the BBC Vision director who has final say, if declined, no go for uncut airing)
Do you have a link for this, please? That has really opened my eyes. Hat Trick have never responded to my comments, and the BBC have only ever given me short shrift on the issue, concluding moronically, "Hey, we like it because we think it's funny to hear the bleeping!"

It does seem unnecessary on the programme, usually second rate stand up "comedians", it would be better if they just stop using them on the programme.
Not necessarily. Strong language has it's time and place like any other part of language.

They should broadcast Nil By Mouth. Don't think they ever would.
Of course they have. I saw it on C4. Didn't think much of it, however.
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Old 03-02-2013, 15:53
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The f-word with "mother" as a foreword is NOT very strong language.
Very strong language is the c-word
From the BBFC website:
strong language (eg 'f***') and/or very strong language (eg c***)

Very strong language is the c-word.
Just because an f-word has "mother" at the beginning of it doesn't make it very strong language. It's just the f-word with "mother" at the beginning of it.
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Old 03-02-2013, 16:25
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The f-word with "mother" as a foreword is NOT very strong language.
Very strong language is the c-word
From the BBFC website:
strong language (eg 'f***') and/or very strong language (eg c***)

Very strong language is the c-word.
Just because an f-word has "mother" at the beginning of it doesn't make it very strong language. It's just the f-word with "mother" at the beginning of it.
Ofcom is often a LOT stricter than the BBFC, X-Men Origins got a 12(A), but according to Ofcom it's unsuitable for pre-watershed airplay because children might be watching....
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Old 03-02-2013, 19:33
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F-words with a fore-word, e.g: Mother & the C-word are defined as 'Very Strong Language'

Just because an f-word has mother in front of it does not make it very strong language. The C-Word is very strong language. Just that. They always say it has very strong language, and it never does.
Frankie Boyle got around it by using Father ****ers instead
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Old 03-02-2013, 23:03
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Whats the point of these warning neither of any skys channels show these warnings. so why does the BBC have too? or come to that the ITV as well
Because our lords and masters say people expect higher standards from the BBC.

Thats hardly strong language though is it?
Unexpected before 9 but seems you are right, Ofcom research says "Not really offensive - just means drunk". But not what my parents would expect from a serious academic in family time.
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Old 04-02-2013, 00:27
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The f-word with "mother" as a foreword is NOT very strong language.
Very strong language is the c-word
From the BBFC website:
strong language (eg 'f***') and/or very strong language (eg c***)

Very strong language is the c-word.
Just because an f-word has "mother" at the beginning of it doesn't make it very strong language. It's just the f-word with "mother" at the beginning of it.
You're just putting your opinion here as fact.
Motherf***** is very strong and has been that way for so many years so why are you on here claiming now that its not?
ITV, Channel 4, BBC, Channel 5, Sky agree with its classification as very strong as do many others that take part in the market research that Ofcom & BBFC do to determine what is and isn't profanity.
Are you going to next claim that the racist N word is in fact just a jokey way to say hello?!
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:06
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Mother-F is NOT very strong language.
It's strong language; just because its got "mother" as foreword doesn't make it very strong.
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:42
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Mother-F is NOT very strong language.
It's strong language; just because its got "mother" as foreword doesn't make it very strong.
I think you'll find that it does.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:51
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Because our lords and masters say people expect higher standards from the BBC.



Unexpected before 9 but seems you are right, Ofcom research says "Not really offensive - just means drunk". But not what my parents would expect from a serious academic in family time.
How is it unexpected? Even sitcoms like Only fools and horses had very mild swear words and was shown before 9pm. There have even U rated films that feature words like piss. So why you would be shocked by it I don't know?
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:26
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Mother-F is NOT very strong language.
It's strong language; just because its got "mother" as foreword doesn't make it very strong.
Repeating the same personal opinion doesn't make it fact. It is considered very strong language by the people that matter in this situation. Which isn't us.
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:53
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Mother-F is NOT very strong language.
It's strong language; just because its got "mother" as foreword doesn't make it very strong.
No offence here, but give it a rest now.
We all know YOU don't think it is, but the fact remains that it infact IS. So would you please deal with it, because this is getting tiresome.
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:05
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Either there is no clear definition of "strong language" in a TV context or the defition is badly written and understood differently by different broadcasters. Neither option reflects well on Ofcom.
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Old 05-02-2013, 23:52
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Either there is no clear definition of "strong language" in a TV context...
I'm sure there's a list but I can't remember I saw it.
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