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Old 04-02-2013, 10:54
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I would be very interested to know about the funeral service because he pre-dated the Reformation soooo....will it be an RC or a CofE service?
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:58
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I would be very interested to know about the funeral service because he pre-dated the Reformation soooo....will it be an RC or a CofE service?
i would imagine, from what the Dean said, it may be some kind of multi-denominational thing.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:00
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Judging from the previews of tonights program on CH4, they will be attempting a facial reconstruction.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:03
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i would imagine, from what the Dean said, it may be some kind of multi-denominational thing.
Oh dear, the modern age sticks it's PC toe into things... he was RC so really should be buried as such. Not his fault things changed 100 years later
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:06
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Oh dear, the modern age sticks it's PC toe into things... he was RC so really should be buried as such. Not his fault things changed 100 years later
although not religious myself, i totally agree with you Miss Culture
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:13
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:15
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Oh dear, the modern age sticks it's PC toe into things... he was RC so really should be buried as such. Not his fault things changed 100 years later
As the Reformation and dissolution of the monasteries in 1536 changed religious denominations and made most cathedrals C of E, that's the way it is.

If you're a Christian, you believe in one god - the same god in both the C of E and RC churches.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:16
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Well I'm not religious either, I'm studying for a history degree at the moment so this is terrific news for buffs like me. But I am wondering if they found, say, one of the great Islamic scholars buried in England from 700 years back if they'd give him some generic multi-denominational service

Totally hypothetical but I just wonder....Richard was Catholic, as they all were back then. An interesting issue to be sorted. Either way I'm looking forward to this show tonight.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:16
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"The story of the hunt for the remains of the medieval ruler"
Or so the write-up goes.

Usually the words, "the hunt for" appear in the title.

But maybe documentary makers are realising that some viewers are of the opinion that the words; "the hunt for" signify fifty-five minutes of anticipation, with the revelation in the last five minutes, that they "find nuffin,'" so don't bother to watch.
Another Doghouse Riley own goal! Maybe they could make a documentary about all of those.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:17
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As the Reformation and dissolution of the monasteries in 1536 changed religious denominations and made most cathedrals C of E, that's the way it is.

If you're a Christian, you believe in one god - the same god in both the C of E and RC churches.
Oh yes, but that's not things have gone - or will ever go
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:19
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Oh dear, the modern age sticks it's PC toe into things... he was RC so really should be buried as such. Not his fault things changed 100 years later
Agreed - typical from the modern British political elite. I'm sure Richard would be overjoyed if he knew.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:19
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Oh yes, but that's not things have gone - or will ever go
Sorry, I don't understand your point.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:20
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Well he lived during the Renaissance - maybe a Humanist ceremony? that would be interesting.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:21
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Well I'm not religious either, I'm studying for a history degree at the moment so this is terrific news for buffs like me. But I am wondering if they found, say, one of the great Islamic scholars buried in England from 700 years back if they'd give him some generic multi-denominational service

Totally hypothetical but I just wonder....Richard was Catholic, as they all were back then. An interesting issue to be sorted. Either way I'm looking forward to this show tonight.
completely random, but i used to work at the British Library many years ago, they house 4 books owned by Richard III and i have held one in my hands! it was signed by him and his wife and had notes in the margins in his hand, i felt very privileged to have had that opportunity.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:22
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Agreed - typical from the modern British political elite. I'm sure Richard would be overjoyed if he knew.
I would rather live in a period with the modern British political elite than one where the King of England was being killed on a battlefield!
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:24
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Sorry, I don't understand your point.
Of course christians all worship the same God, it is mode of worship that fractures christianity and has done so since the Reformation....to many christians it certainly would matter if they were buried under one faith - say RC - or a non-denominational if they were subscribed to one e.g. presbyterianism.....worshiping God is not the point, it is how the differing faiths think it should be done.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:47
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Watching it live on BBC news, just after the declaration, I enjoyed the should I/can I/ will I, kiss/ hug /shake, moments amongst the top academics at the table.

Ten out of ten for committal/non committal awkwardness.
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:01
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completely random, but i used to work at the British Library many years ago, they house 4 books owned by Richard III and i have held one in my hands! it was signed by him and his wife and had notes in the margins in his hand, i felt very privileged to have had that opportunity.
I saw those during the recent illuminated manuscripts exhibition at the British Library. Very jealous to hear you've actually had the privilege of handling them!
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:04
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On the contrary, I'd say it's pretty major when a body of a King is identified that's been missing for over 500 years.

There have been discussions in Parliament over where he should be buried and that's pretty major too. It would have been nice to see him buried in York, as that's where his heart lay and where he was most admired.
It is of interest but it is not going to result in 'having to rewrite text books' as some other archaeological discoveries have done.
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:05
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And BBC news are bored with to story already...
Not every day that we can look forward to an ex-Minister going away for the proverbial stripey suntan especially an unpopular one.
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:10
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Well I'm not religious either, I'm studying for a history degree at the moment so this is terrific news for buffs like me. But I am wondering if they found, say, one of the great Islamic scholars buried in England from 700 years back if they'd give him some generic multi-denominational service

Totally hypothetical but I just wonder....Richard was Catholic, as they all were back then. An interesting issue to be sorted. Either way I'm looking forward to this show tonight.
What happens with any pre-Christian remains found when they are reburied, are they buried in accordance with the religion of the time?
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:13
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I saw those during the recent illuminated manuscripts exhibition at the British Library. Very jealous to hear you've actually had the privilege of handling them!
It was strangely moving, difficult to explain why! i wondered if it was that he had written his name in the front of the book, just as you do as a child.....
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:21
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completely random, but i used to work at the British Library many years ago, they house 4 books owned by Richard III and i have held one in my hands! it was signed by him and his wife and had notes in the margins in his hand, i felt very privileged to have had that opportunity.
What an amazing story planets - I'm so jealous. Can't be many people that can say that they've held a book that was held by a King.

It is of interest but it is not going to result in 'having to rewrite text books' as some other archaeological discoveries have done.
As the Tudor view - Shakespeare's play - was that Richard was a hunchbacked evil doer who killed his nephews, yes, I think some major historical rewriting will have to be done along with some totally different thinking on his personality.

What happens with any pre-Christian remains found when they are reburied, are they buried in accordance with the religion of the time?
I've heard of Roman remains being given Christian burials.
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:42
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It'd be interesting to see what sort of funeral service is given, and I wonder what the headlines will be in the papers tonight and tomorrow. If I were writing the puns, it'd be "A hearse, a hearse! My kingdom for a hearse!"
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Old 04-02-2013, 13:34
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As the Tudor view - Shakespeare's play - was that Richard was a hunchbacked evil doer who killed his nephews, yes, I think some major historical rewriting will have to be done along with some totally different thinking on his personality.
But how can the discovery of his skeleton lead to a 'totally different thinking on his personality'?

It is bit like some of the wild assumptions that you hear on Time Team sometimes
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