[MissCulture]

I would be very interested to know about the funeral service because he pre-dated the Reformation soooo....will it be an RC or a CofE service?

[planets]

Originally Posted by MissCulture

I would be very interested to know about the funeral service because he pre-dated the Reformation soooo....will it be an RC or a CofE service?

i would imagine, from what the Dean said, it may be some kind of multi-denominational thing.

[BeethovensPiano]

Judging from the previews of tonights program on CH4, they will be attempting a facial reconstruction.

[MissCulture]

Originally Posted by planets

i would imagine, from what the Dean said, it may be some kind of multi-denominational thing.

Oh dear, the modern age sticks it's PC toe into things... he was RC so really should be buried as such. Not his fault things changed 100 years later

[planets]

Originally Posted by MissCulture

Oh dear, the modern age sticks it's PC toe into things... he was RC so really should be buried as such. Not his fault things changed 100 years later

although not religious myself, i totally agree with you Miss Culture

[BeethovensPiano]

Website updated http://www.le.ac.uk/richardiii/

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by MissCulture

Oh dear, the modern age sticks it's PC toe into things... he was RC so really should be buried as such. Not his fault things changed 100 years later

As the Reformation and dissolution of the monasteries in 1536 changed religious denominations and made most cathedrals C of E, that's the way it is.

If you're a Christian, you believe in one god - the same god in both the C of E and RC churches.

[MissCulture]

Well I'm not religious either, I'm studying for a history degree at the moment so this is terrific news for buffs like me. But I am wondering if they found, say, one of the great Islamic scholars buried in England from 700 years back if they'd give him some generic multi-denominational service

Totally hypothetical but I just wonder....Richard was Catholic, as they all were back then. An interesting issue to be sorted. Either way I'm looking forward to this show tonight.

[The Gatherer]

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley

"The story of the hunt for the remains of the medieval ruler"
Or so the write-up goes.

Usually the words, "the hunt for" appear in the title.

But maybe documentary makers are realising that some viewers are of the opinion that the words; "the hunt for" signify fifty-five minutes of anticipation, with the revelation in the last five minutes, that they "find nuffin,'" so don't bother to watch.

Another Doghouse Riley own goal! Maybe they could make a documentary about all of those.

[MissCulture]

Originally Posted by Saltydog1955

As the Reformation and dissolution of the monasteries in 1536 changed religious denominations and made most cathedrals C of E, that's the way it is.

If you're a Christian, you believe in one god - the same god in both the C of E and RC churches.

Oh yes, but that's not things have gone - or will ever go

[the_lostprophet]

Originally Posted by MissCulture

Oh dear, the modern age sticks it's PC toe into things... he was RC so really should be buried as such. Not his fault things changed 100 years later

Agreed - typical from the modern British political elite. I'm sure Richard would be overjoyed if he knew.

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by MissCulture

Oh yes, but that's not things have gone - or will ever go

Sorry, I don't understand your point.

[MissCulture]

Well he lived during the Renaissance - maybe a Humanist ceremony? that would be interesting.

[planets]

Originally Posted by MissCulture

Well I'm not religious either, I'm studying for a history degree at the moment so this is terrific news for buffs like me. But I am wondering if they found, say, one of the great Islamic scholars buried in England from 700 years back if they'd give him some generic multi-denominational service

Totally hypothetical but I just wonder....Richard was Catholic, as they all were back then. An interesting issue to be sorted. Either way I'm looking forward to this show tonight.

completely random, but i used to work at the British Library many years ago, they house 4 books owned by Richard III and i have held one in my hands! it was signed by him and his wife and had notes in the margins in his hand, i felt very privileged to have had that opportunity.

[The Gatherer]

Originally Posted by the_lostprophet

Agreed - typical from the modern British political elite. I'm sure Richard would be overjoyed if he knew.

I would rather live in a period with the modern British political elite than one where the King of England was being killed on a battlefield!

[MissCulture]

Originally Posted by Saltydog1955

Sorry, I don't understand your point.

Of course christians all worship the same God, it is mode of worship that fractures christianity and has done so since the Reformation....to many christians it certainly would matter if they were buried under one faith - say RC - or a non-denominational if they were subscribed to one e.g. presbyterianism.....worshiping God is not the point, it is how the differing faiths think it should be done.

[able1]

Watching it live on BBC news, just after the declaration, I enjoyed the should I/can I/ will I, kiss/ hug /shake, moments amongst the top academics at the table.

Ten out of ten for committal/non committal awkwardness.

[Cadiva]

Originally Posted by planets

completely random, but i used to work at the British Library many years ago, they house 4 books owned by Richard III and i have held one in my hands! it was signed by him and his wife and had notes in the margins in his hand, i felt very privileged to have had that opportunity.

I saw those during the recent illuminated manuscripts exhibition at the British Library. Very jealous to hear you've actually had the privilege of handling them!

[lundavra]

Originally Posted by Saltydog1955

On the contrary, I'd say it's pretty major when a body of a King is identified that's been missing for over 500 years.

There have been discussions in Parliament over where he should be buried and that's pretty major too. It would have been nice to see him buried in York, as that's where his heart lay and where he was most admired.

It is of interest but it is not going to result in 'having to rewrite text books' as some other archaeological discoveries have done.

[lundavra]

Originally Posted by BeethovensPiano

And BBC news are bored with to story already...

Not every day that we can look forward to an ex-Minister going away for the proverbial stripey suntan especially an unpopular one.

[lundavra]

Originally Posted by MissCulture

Well I'm not religious either, I'm studying for a history degree at the moment so this is terrific news for buffs like me. But I am wondering if they found, say, one of the great Islamic scholars buried in England from 700 years back if they'd give him some generic multi-denominational service

Totally hypothetical but I just wonder....Richard was Catholic, as they all were back then. An interesting issue to be sorted. Either way I'm looking forward to this show tonight.

What happens with any pre-Christian remains found when they are reburied, are they buried in accordance with the religion of the time?

[planets]

Originally Posted by Cadiva

I saw those during the recent illuminated manuscripts exhibition at the British Library. Very jealous to hear you've actually had the privilege of handling them!

It was strangely moving, difficult to explain why! i wondered if it was that he had written his name in the front of the book, just as you do as a child.....

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by planets

completely random, but i used to work at the British Library many years ago, they house 4 books owned by Richard III and i have held one in my hands! it was signed by him and his wife and had notes in the margins in his hand, i felt very privileged to have had that opportunity.

What an amazing story planets - I'm so jealous. Can't be many people that can say that they've held a book that was held by a King.

Originally Posted by lundavra

It is of interest but it is not going to result in 'having to rewrite text books' as some other archaeological discoveries have done.

As the Tudor view - Shakespeare's play - was that Richard was a hunchbacked evil doer who killed his nephews, yes, I think some major historical rewriting will have to be done along with some totally different thinking on his personality.

Originally Posted by lundavra

What happens with any pre-Christian remains found when they are reburied, are they buried in accordance with the religion of the time?

I've heard of Roman remains being given Christian burials.

[Flying Tart]

It'd be interesting to see what sort of funeral service is given, and I wonder what the headlines will be in the papers tonight and tomorrow. If I were writing the puns, it'd be "A hearse, a hearse! My kingdom for a hearse!"

[lundavra]

Originally Posted by Saltydog1955

As the Tudor view - Shakespeare's play - was that Richard was a hunchbacked evil doer who killed his nephews, yes, I think some major historical rewriting will have to be done along with some totally different thinking on his personality.

But how can the discovery of his skeleton lead to a 'totally different thinking on his personality'?

It is bit like some of the wild assumptions that you hear on Time Team sometimes