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Old 05-02-2013, 09:04
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I wish you'd stop saying this, she did not personally fund it, she helped raise the money for the dig.

Personally I don't think she did her society any favours, she and the few others featured made them appear a bunch of nutters, when I suspect many of them are not.
Then my freind you and i will have to agree to disagree.

However she raised the money for the dig and i for one am very happy that has now happend histrionics or not the all important discovery has now been made.

And why should in the event of many hurtful and some downright nasty comments aimed at her on D/S not have some appeciation of the real story here,my own view on the progamme was wrong presenter Tony Robinson would have been far better,as he eeks enthusiasm and would have been a lot better with Philippa.

Also channel; 4 were to blame for the editing that made people look bad not the people themselves but there you go..
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:08
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Then my freind you and i will have to agree to disagree.

However she raised the money for the dig and i for one an very happy that has now happend histrionics or not the all important discovery has now been made.

And why should in the event of many hurtful and some downright nasty comments aimed at her on D/S not have some appeciation of the real story here,my own view on the progamme was wrong presenter Tony Robinson would have been far better,as he eeks enthusiasm and would have been a lot better with Philippa.

Also channel; 4 were to blame for the editing that made people look bad not the people themselves but there you go..
I agree. I don't think she was as bad as what some people on this thread have made out, neither was the presenter. I bit of an overreaction, I think, but as already mentioned that seems to be all part and parcel of these forums.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:13
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I wondered the same about the DNA but then I'm not a scientist and have no idea how they explain this.
I've also always been a bit dubious about carbon dating.
It's all about mitochondrial DNA

The DNA used to identify Richard's remains was mitochondrial DNA, stored in mitochondria -- the tiny powerhouses where energy is made in cells. Mitochondrial DNA is passed down directly from mother to child and mutates very, very slowly over time. For this reason, Nelson said, scientists have been able to use it to look far back into human history, revealing migration patterns and the like. (Another reason human geneticists like studying mitochondrial DNA, he added: It is also far more abundant in human cells than nuclear DNA is, and thus easier to recover from degraded ancient remains.)

In Richard III's case, geneticists were able to examine the mitrochondrial DNA of two living people who were known to have descended, through their mothers' mothers, from the king's sister Anne. After showing that the two individuals shared a "relatively rare" pattern in their mitochondrial DNA, the team recovered mitochondrial DNA from the excavated bones and showed that the skeleton's owner, too, shared that DNA sequence.

That is consistent with the skeleton being Richard III's. "If they don't match, it's not Richard," Nelson said.

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Old 05-02-2013, 09:18
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Also channel; 4 were to blame for the editing that made people look bad not the people themselves but there you go..
Oddly earlier in the day she came across exactly the same live on the BBC News channel.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:20
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Oddly earlier in the day she came across exactly the same live on the BBC News channel.
Yes i saw that whats wrong with a bit of emotion for years of work.?

As has been pointed out i watch sky sports and see fans blubbing at football matches but then i guess thats ok because its football full of emotion ect ect,nothing gets said about fans crying there though.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:24
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Then my freind you and i will have to agree to disagree.

However she raised the money for the dig and i for one am very happy that has now happend histrionics or not the all important discovery has now been made.

And why should in the event of many hurtful and some downright nasty comments aimed at her on D/S not have some appeciation of the real story here,my own view on the progamme was wrong presenter Tony Robinson would have been far better,as he eeks enthusiasm and would have been a lot better with Philippa.

Also channel; 4 were to blame for the editing that made people look bad not the people themselves but there you go..
Tony Robinson imo would have been just as bad, I switch off when he appears.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:27
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It's all about mitochondrial DNA
Thank you for that, it explains it far more than the appalling documentary did last night.

Actually if anyone was done a disservice in that programme it was the scientists that lost out.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:35
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Tony Robinson imo would have been just as bad, I switch off when he appears.
Thats fair enough i take it you do not watch Time Team then which is a shame as they have made some marvellous programmes over the years.

Tony Robinson i think though would have been far more sympathetic to the show being an "amateur", the shows Presenter Simon Farnaby waas too much of an academic whom i could not easily connect with.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:39
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Thats fair enough i take it you do not watch Time Team then which is a shame as they have made some marvellous programmes over the years.
No I've watched them, they were very good when they first started but as the years went on became more ridiculous with their computer generated images based on very flimsy evidence.

Between that and Tony Robinson I finally turned off and am not upset that they have now pulled the plug.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:43
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Richard III: the King in the Car Park, Channel 4, review


Andrew Marszal reviews Richard III: the King in the Car Park, Channel 4's documentary following the discovery of the Middle Age monarch's lost bones.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:44
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No I've watched them, they were very good when they first started but as the years went on became more ridiculous with their computer generated images based on very flimsy evidence.

Between that and Tony Robinson I finally turned off and am not upset that they have now pulled the plug.
I quite liked the computer generated images for me it bought to life what it may have been like in all those years ago,course you or i have no idea if this is accurate or not but for me it bought the era to life.

However i cannot agree that a show which up until the last couple of series which were truly dumbed down was excellent,and i for one am sorry that the only educational show of its kind on TV has been pulled,still i suppose it makes way for more cookery shows and my fat gypsy garbage which is very sad.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:46
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I think the problem was that Philippa seemed to be under the impression that the programme was more about her than the dig. All of her emotional outbursts were blatantly rehearsed and most certainly not a record of her spontaneous reactions.
Channel 4 had what would probably have been their biggest viewing figures for a decade, with the chance of very substantial overseas sales - and they blew it in a big way. This deserved the Horizon treatment, rather than this dumbed down "Digging Up Richard" sitcom. It wouldn't have surprised me in the least if it had all ended with them sitting around the bones in a circle, holding a seance.
I also wondered what the point was in the facial reconstruction, as we already know what he looked like. I can just imagine them striving to make sure that it looked similar to the portrait, but with just sufficient differences to make it look as if it was done without influence and bias.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:48
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I wonder who the other descendant was who gave a sample of their DNA. I'm trying to remember which upper class family it is who's descended from Anne.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:51
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Richard III: the King in the Car Park, Channel 4, review


Andrew Marszal reviews Richard III: the King in the Car Park, Channel 4's documentary following the discovery of the Middle Age monarch's lost bones.
I thought the line about the unlucky monk was quite funny too.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:52
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Yes i saw that whats wrong with a bit of emotion for years of work.?

As has been pointed out i watch sky sports and see fans blubbing at football matches but then i guess thats ok because its football full of emotion ect ect,nothing gets said about fans crying there though.
On the news programme she was demanding for the 'facts' to be told as if she knew them and others didn't know what they were talking about, she came across as a sort of David Icke.

Some of her 'facts' were blown out of the water by example the curvature of the spine. From the conversations we saw with other members of the Richard III Society, I can understand why the programme makers included her so much.

I believe if she had not been included throughout a 'conspiracy theory' probably would have arisen, by taking her along and getting her to accept evidence that overturned her 'facts' there was no wiggle room for the Richard III Society.

BUT, give it a month or two and they'll come up with some undisclosed 'facts' that gets their theories make on track.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:56
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I wonder who the other descendant was who gave a sample of their DNA. I'm trying to remember which upper class family it is who's descended from Anne.
Wouldn't you request anonymity?

I can just imagine Philipa and her cohorts stalking you forever more!
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:56
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I wonder who the other descendant was who gave a sample of their DNA. I'm trying to remember which upper class family it is who's descended from Anne.
They wished to remain annoymous, so maybe we should respect their wishes?
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:59
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I wonder who the other descendant was who gave a sample of their DNA. I'm trying to remember which upper class family it is who's descended from Anne.
Apparently the second descendent asked to remain anonymous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#axzz2Jp9psrou
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:02
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On the news programme she was demanding for the 'facts' to be told as if she knew them and others didn't know what they were talking about, she came across as a sort of David Icke.
Some of her 'facts' were blown out of the water by example the curvature of the spine. From the conversations we saw with other members of the Richard III Society, I can understand why the programme makers included her so much.

I believe if she had not been included throughout a 'conspiracy theory' probably would have arisen, by taking her along and getting her to accept evidence that overturned her 'facts' there was no wiggle room for the Richard III Society.

BUT, give it a month or two and they'll come up with some undisclosed 'facts' that gets their theories make on track.
Yes she was but from her research she may have a different take on it after all finding a Skeleton after all these years of Richard 111, i would be surprised even with academics if you asked two the same question you would probably get two diferent answers,yes i get the connection with David Icke.

I do appreciate though from her research she probably had a certain take on what they might find,but was proved wrong which is what archeology is all about.

Who knows what the exact facts are though as even academics will be arguing over this let alone the Richard111 society for many years i suspect.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:06
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Almost 4m tuned in to watch the programme.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:07
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Yeah I had to chuckle at Phillipa's "R marks the spot" piece, as I worked in the Grey Friars Leicester Social Services Building about 8 years ago and if I remember rightly the R stands for reserved ( probably a Director's parking space).

What also amused me is that the car parking attendant seemed as if he hadn't moved from his little hut in the eight years I have been gone. Looked exactly the same! Come to think of it I do remember the car park attendant shouting a lot about "King Dick" when cars nearly got stuck in the narrow entrance coming into the car park. Shoulda listened to him back then and here's me just thinking he had a potty mouth. Perhaps he knew all along.....
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:15
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An interesting TV programme although they drew it out too long. I found the woman from the society really irritating as well but you have to admire her tenacity.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:23
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Almost 4m tuned in to watch the programme.
Not bad then which is a shame ch4 are endiing Time Team there is a market for this type of tv programme but the way Time Team have been mucked about in the scheduling and the row with Mick Aston ch4 lost a lot of viewers and they did it themselves.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:33
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Apparently the second descendent asked to remain anonymous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#axzz2Jp9psrou
Yes I remember them saying that .
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:46
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An interesting TV programme although they drew it out too long. I found the woman from the society really irritating as well but you have to admire her tenacity.
I agree her emotions were overplayed to an annoying degree and more of a Time Team format would have been better. I thought it would be more about the dig but that was only a relatively short part. Perhaps an intermingling of David Starkeys programme would have been good to get more of the whole story to make your mind up on Richard. It was a very complicated story and times. Everything is up to interpretation.

She did remind me of Katie Price.
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