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Old 06-02-2013, 21:55
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I dont think its got anything to do with the stomach muscles, thats just the way Imogen interprets it cause shes thick. I think the real reason will be as said the baby is breech
I would imagine the stomach muscle mention is about attempting external cephalic version. This is where the obstetrician attempts to turn the baby from the outside through the abdomen. (As the midwife did in CTM this week) The problem with this is its very difficult to do if the mother has strong tummy muscles.

On a mother nature note, breech babies are usually breech for a reason, Usually a case of CPD where the baby will not fit through the pelvis head first so mother nature decides to not turn baby. Obviously not realising the implications.

When I was practising as a midwife in the mid 90's it wasn't routine to section all breech babies, most parents were given a choice, as generally a vaginal birth is safer for mother.
However with the shortage of midwives/obstetricians it would be deemed too risky in this litigation strewn world.
The sad thing is, if not used the skill to deliver a breech baby vaginally will be lost
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Old 06-02-2013, 22:23
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I dont know of anybody too posh to push... and lets face it whats posh about a huge scar and damaged tissue. Its a terrible phrase and cant think why or who it was invented for.

To answer question I had two emergency c-sections. Not through choice, as I dont see how anybody would makie a choice like that, or be allowed to as its such a drain on the NHS
I think you misunderstood whay I was saying! I am talking about the "celebs" who are too posh to push, they have their babies privatley so can have whatever they want. My understanding is that it is recommended for a Mum to have no more than two C section. Hasn't posh Beckham has had four ?
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Old 06-02-2013, 22:32
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I think you misunderstood whay I was saying! I am talking about the "celebs" who are too posh to push, they have their babies privatley so can have whatever they want. My understanding is that it is recommended for a Mum to have no more than two C section. Hasn't posh Beckham has had four ?
Whether you go private, or use the NHS, the doctor involved has to make a decision based on medical knowledge. I've never believed all this "too posh to push" nonsense. I bet there are valid reasons for the celebrities concerned to have had c-sections.
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Old 06-02-2013, 23:30
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Another celeb who needs a c-section..why can't they just be truthful and say they don't want to push?
so many celebs have all these complications I don't believe most of them, no Doctor will tell on them as it's confidential, so they can lie to everyone.
Just all the Portland Mummies have little tummy tucks too, must be nice to buy a smaller tummy and an easier birth.

I bet she won't have stretch marks after the birth too, another little mystery why only normal non-celeb women seem to get stretchmarks!
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Old 07-02-2013, 00:04
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Another celeb who needs a c-section..why can't they just be truthful and say they don't want to push?
so many celebs have all these complications I don't believe most of them, no Doctor will tell on them as it's confidential, so they can lie to everyone.
Just all the Portland Mummies have little tummy tucks too, must be nice to buy a smaller tummy and an easier birth.

I bet she won't have stretch marks after the birth too, another little mystery why only normal non-celeb women seem to get stretchmarks!
Please dont say a C-section is an easier birth
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Old 07-02-2013, 00:06
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Whether you go private, or use the NHS, the doctor involved has to make a decision based on medical knowledge. I've never believed all this "too posh to push" nonsense. I bet there are valid reasons for the celebrities concerned to have had c-sections.
You are absolutely 100% wrong. They are called elective caesareans and are offered privately, for the main in the U.S. but becoming a more and more popular worldwide trend.
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Old 07-02-2013, 00:20
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That aint true, Caesarians were in fact named after Caesar.. which is how he was born. My mother also had one in 1964
Circumstances alter cases.
Maybe you were a bigger baby than I was, or your mother had a smaller pelvic opening. If my daughter had been bigger, I expect I would have had one too, just as my mother would.

Thats what I can't understand about this thread how you can have such strong tummy muscles that you can't give birth natural. I don't half envy this woman having strong tummy muscles as she won't have any back trouble.
Because if you try to manipulate and turn the child from the outside by hand, her stomach muscles might well be too strong to enable the midwife to do it. And as I've said over and over, but no one seems to be getting it is that if IT is having a breech baby, it's standard in the NHS to have a caesarian. If she's going private, she can have exactly what she asks - and will be paying for.

So they would have been invented by 1955 then
See above.

When a caesarian might be needed.

A caesarean section is usually carried out when a normal vaginal birth could put you or your unborn baby at risk, for example because:
your labour doesn't progress naturally
you go into premature labour
you have placenta praevia (where the placenta is low lying in the womb and covering part of the womb entrance)
you have a viral infection, such as a first attack of genital herpes
your baby is in the breech (feet first) position
Find out more about when a caesarean section is necessary.
Pregnant women are not immediately entitled to a caesarean section if they do not have any physical or mental need for it. If you ask for the operation, you'll be asked why you're requesting it and you'll be given information about the risks and benefits. You should be allowed to have a caesarean if, after discussion and support, you still want to have the operation.
A caesarean section is major surgery and many women opt for a vaginal birth after learning more about what the surgery involves.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Caesare...roduction.aspx
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Old 07-02-2013, 00:26
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I had to have a c section as my son was breech n was devasted. But then again if I hadn't i've since been told that it would be highly unlikely we would have both been here because of the situation. So stop slagging people off for having one please!!
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Old 07-02-2013, 00:34
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Circumstances alter cases.
Maybe you were a bigger baby than I was, or your mother had a smaller pelvic opening. If my daughter had been bigger, I expect I would have had one too, just as my mother would.
I WASNT born in 1964
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Old 07-02-2013, 00:36
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I WASNT born in 1964
Your point being.....?
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:06
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Maybe Imogen is telling the truth, if she's done regular exercise for many years her tummy muscles will be quite taut making it difficult to turn the baby.

I know of 2 women (one of whom is a midwife herself) who needed C sections as the Drs were unable to turn their babies.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:10
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That aint true, Caesarians were in fact named after Caesar.. which is how he was born. My mother also had one in 1964
C sections have been around for centuries but they weren't routinely performed for breech babies until more recently.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:55
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Another celeb who needs a c-section..why can't they just be truthful and say they don't want to push?
so many celebs have all these complications I don't believe most of them, no Doctor will tell on them as it's confidential, so they can lie to everyone.
Just all the Portland Mummies have little tummy tucks too, must be nice to buy a smaller tummy and an easier birth.

I bet she won't have stretch marks after the birth too, another little mystery why only normal non-celeb women seem to get stretchmarks!
Ridiculous. No obstetric surgeon would perform a cosmetic procedure like a tummy tuck during a c-section. The fact that they are different surgical disciplines aside, performing a tuck at that time would be pointless as it can take months for the uterus to shrink back to its normal size and for any water retention to stop.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:33
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I had to have a c section as my son was breech n was devasted. But then again if I hadn't i've since been told that it would be highly unlikely we would have both been here because of the situation. So stop slagging people off for having one please!!
I am not slagging genuine C section people. Its the celebs who like to choose what day they have their baby by having a Csection. These are the celebs who as another poster has said then get a litttle nip and tuck to the scar.
But private Csections for no reason do happen because they are paid for. and of course the patient stays nice and tight down below. (sorry)
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:05
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I am not slagging genuine C section people. Its the celebs who like to choose what day they have their baby by having a Csection. These are the celebs who as another poster has said then get a litttle nip and tuck to the scar.
But private Csections for no reason do happen because they are paid for. and of course the patient stays nice and tight down below. (sorry)
So what? Assuming that this is the case (which is highly unlikely) what exactly is the problem with a woman choosing a caesarian over a vaginal birth?
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:44
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Another celeb who needs a c-section..why can't they just be truthful and say they don't want to push?
so many celebs have all these complications I don't believe most of them, no Doctor will tell on them as it's confidential, so they can lie to everyone.
Just all the Portland Mummies have little tummy tucks too, must be nice to buy a smaller tummy and an easier birth.

I bet she won't have stretch marks after the birth too, another little mystery why only normal non-celeb women seem to get stretchmarks!
I don't think the celeb culture of having a c-section has helped matters I think it has trivalised it.

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And as I've said over and over, but no one seems to be getting it is that if IT is having a breech baby, it's standard in the NHS to have a caesarian. If she's going private, she can have exactly what she asks - and will be paying for it.
Again because of the culture we live in these days the NHS make a c-section standard for a breech birth because it safeguards them and to avoid being sued in case anything unforseen happens.
I think its a shame because there are many c-sections being carried out when there is no need for them. No wonder the NHS is so hard up for cash as these operations cost a lot more than a woman going in having to a natural delivery.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:35
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I've never been pregnant, but even I think that a perferred option would be to push a baby through the opening designed for it rather than to slice through major muscles that will have a hard time healing back and will prevent you from doing crunches til they are fixed
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:18
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Maybe Imogen is telling the truth, if she's done regular exercise for many years her tummy muscles will be quite taut making it difficult to turn the baby.

I know of 2 women (one of whom is a midwife herself) who needed C sections as the Drs were unable to turn their babies.

This is exactly what my post was explaining
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:26
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She is spouting nonsence - the baby is in the womb, not her abdominal cavity, her stomach muscles have nothing to do with anything! I had my son breech and in the normal manner 10 years ago, he simply refused to turn and docs dont like to force babies to move in the last weeks.
Why does that dirt-bag get so much publicity?
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:41
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She is spouting nonsence - the baby is in the womb, not her abdominal cavity, her stomach muscles have nothing to do with anything! I had my son breech and in the normal manner 10 years ago, he simply refused to turn and docs dont like to force babies to move in the last weeks.
Why does that dirt-bag get so much publicity?

Of course her stomach (abdominal) muscles keep the child in, they keep the uterus inside the body as well. If you didn't have them you'd be running round with all your intestines, uterus, the lot trailing on the floor.

Have you no idea of anatomy?
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:53
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She is spouting nonsence - the baby is in the womb, not her abdominal cavity, her stomach muscles have nothing to do with anything! I had my son breech and in the normal manner 10 years ago, he simply refused to turn and docs dont like to force babies to move in the last weeks.
Why does that dirt-bag get so much publicity?
Are you actually saying that you think a full-term baby isn't in the abdominal cavity? That must have been the oddest pregnancy that you had, I can only imagine where the bump was.
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Old 07-02-2013, 13:03
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Your point being.....?
You aged me by ten years
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Old 07-02-2013, 13:18
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I always assumed her abs were sprayed on
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Old 07-02-2013, 13:24
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My daughter was breech and the NHS offered a section but I asked for them to try to turn her first. This was very simple, easy process and allowed me a straight forward home birth.
The stomach muscle issue I'm unsure on! I was slim and worked out everyday, less in pregnancy and they had no problems turning my baby. My friend, who was in the same situation, was over weight and didn't exercise had several attempts to turn her baby, both failed and she had a section.
I think it depends on factors like -
- amount of fluid around the baby
- size of the baby
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Old 07-02-2013, 14:26
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You aged me by ten years
Oh dear.

I didn't actually. I said I was born in 1955. Try reading my posts properly and making yourself plainer..
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