[Scotty2012]

This Dick is very happy with his Nexus 4 consumer device.

[whoever,hey]

Originally Posted by slick1two

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget..../img1369-1.jpg

THAT is a Dev phone. It is the BB10 Dev Alpha A It's very basic. Has most of the phone features locked out. but has very good spec so does enough for developers to be able to use them during app creation. They were never sold to the public, only a BB dev could get one. This is a classic example of developer hardware.

The Nexus 4 is available in Google's play store which every Tom Dick and Harry can access and buy from. Nowhere is it aimed at Devs, but is sold to the mass consumer on a site on which you erm....consume content. See a pattern developing here? It;s quite a clear distinction, using the BB example and the Nexus 4 that one is available to Devs exclusively, the other is a mass produced consumer focused smart phone sold to Joe Public for a very reasonable price.

End of Argument

We have dev phones/tablets in our building that people on this forum couldn't even find on the internet!!!!!!!!

[slick1two]

Originally Posted by whoever,hey

We have dev phones/tablets in our building that people on this forum couldn't even find on the internet!!!!!!!!

C'mon give us a sneek peek!! Show us those alien devices!!

[whoever,hey]

Originally Posted by slick1two

C'mon give us a sneek peek!! Show us those alien devices!!

Only from the leading suppliers i'm afraid.

[slick1two]

Originally Posted by whoever,hey

Only from the leading suppliers i'm afraid.

Damn!

[Zack06]

Nexus phones ARE dev phones. The original Nexus One was pitched mainly as a dev phone:

http://android-developers.blogspot.c...per-phone.html

They remained as largely dev phones until the Galaxy Nexus when Google realised there was potential for a stock flagship. Then came the Nexus 7 and 4 which have evolved to be aimed at consumers just as much as they are developers. They are vanilla enough and cheap enough for developers to easily use as test devices, and at the same time they have become more appealing to a wider audience with Google's endorsement.

Before the Galaxy Nexus, Nexus phones were largely for developers, hence why they had relatively low sales, but since the Galaxy Nexus, Google have shifted the focus towards consumers now. It's important to note, that when the Nexus One launched, Android was still far behind Apple in marketshare terms, so promoting the Nexus brand to developers was a smart way to get them on board with Android as a platform, just like BB are doing with their Dev phone series. But now that Android has overtaken iOS in marketshare, they no longer need to convince developers, so they have shifted their focus to consumers, hence the heavy advertising for these new Nexus devices. It's quite a clever strategy really and it seems to have worked.

[rosetech]

Originally Posted by slick1two

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget..../img1369-1.jpg

THAT is a Dev phone. It is the BB10 Dev Alpha A It's very basic. Has most of the phone features locked out. but has very good spec so does enough for developers to be able to use them during app creation. They were never sold to the public, only a BB dev could get one. This is a classic example of developer hardware.

The Nexus 4 is available in Google's play store which every Tom Dick and Harry can access and buy from. Nowhere is it aimed at Devs, but is sold to the mass consumer on a site on which you erm....consume content. See a pattern developing here? It;s quite a clear distinction, using the BB example and the Nexus 4 that one is available to Devs exclusively, the other is a mass produced consumer focused smart phone sold to Joe Public for a very reasonable price.

End of Argument

As I remarked earlier Android is an open development platform. The reference platform i.e. the Nexus line has been given away to developers at I/O. Do other platforms do this - well no they dont, but you dont go from nothing to being the number 1 platform without developer support.

The only distinction being made here is you dont know what a reference model is. Each Nexus line has been made available to the public, they may not have sold well but they were available.

You seem to be posing questions rather answering simple queries I have made. How do you test a quad core phone on a dual core chip - please dont go their with emulation?

Are you saying people werent able to buy a Nexus One etc

By end of argument I assume you are conceding the point

[rosetech]

Originally Posted by whoever,hey

I was an iOS dev, now i am a mobile dev in general that performs due diligence and post diligence on companies mobile devs.

They dont even mention about carrying their dev mobiles around with them. AND its actually against a couple of ongoing NDAs in mobile gaming. So i call BS on your exception to rule.

Are you serious, you have never needed to test sensors (i.e. geolocation, accelerometers etc). These require you to get up and move

[Chairman___Meow]

Originally Posted by Gormond

Indeed, I am in no doubt that the Nexus 4 is popular with devs but like many others here I don't think that's the reason Google make it.

Funny how you spent days arguing the merits of the Samsung S3 against the Nexus 4.

Then went and bought a Nexus 4

[c4rv]

Originally Posted by rosetech

As I remarked earlier Android is an open development platform. The reference platform i.e. the Nexus line has been given away to developers at I/O. Do other platforms do this - well no they dont, but you dont go from nothing to being the number 1 platform without developer support.

The only distinction being made here is you dont know what a reference model is. Each Nexus line has been made available to the public, they may not have sold well but they were available.

You seem to be posing questions rather answering simple queries I have made. How do you test a quad core phone on a dual core chip - please dont go their with emulation?

Are you saying people werent able to buy a Nexus One etc

By end of argument I assume you are conceding the point

I don't know about the previous nexus phones, were they pushed through contract market which is squarely consumer driven.

[carguy143]

Originally Posted by c4rv

I don't know about the previous nexus phones, were they pushed through contract market which is squarely consumer driven.

Previous Nexus phones were available on contract but the networks didn't have much interest in them, they weren't offered by all networks. The first the networks were really interested in was the Galaxy Nexus in my opinion.

[slick1two]

Originally Posted by rosetech

As I remarked earlier Android is an open development platform. The reference platform i.e. the Nexus line has been given away to developers at I/O. Do other platforms do this - well no they dont, but you dont go from nothing to being the number 1 platform without developer support.

The only distinction being made here is you dont know what a reference model is. Each Nexus line has been made available to the public, they may not have sold well but they were available.

You seem to be posing questions rather answering simple queries I have made. How do you test a quad core phone on a dual core chip - please dont go their with emulation?

Are you saying people werent able to buy a Nexus One etc

By end of argument I assume you are conceding the point

Reference models are NOT made available to the general public, what are you on about??? At CES this year Nvidia were showing off a tablet which was a reference model just for showing off some new tech. It's not in mass production and is not sold to the public.

It is you who does not know what a reference model is. The Nexus 4 is NOT a reference model. It IS a consumer phone available sim free and on contract from networks. Why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp?

[Stuart_h]

Originally Posted by slick1two

Reference models are NOT made available to the general public, what are you on about??? At CES this year Nvidia were showing off a tablet which was a reference model just for showing off some new tech. It's not in mass production and is not sold to the public.

It is you who does not know what a reference model is. The Nexus 4 is NOT a reference model. It IS a consumer phone available sim free and on contract from networks. Why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp?

I think the point you are struggling with is that these days developers ARE the general public. Not all apps on the Play store (or the Apple store) are major firms with access to formal reference models. The NEXUS line started as a vanilla android phone with less lock down than a standard android phone aimed at developers who wanted such things. In the early days of Android vanilla wasnt very pretty so it was not a very popular consumer model. Consumers wanted Sense and Touchwiz to pretty things up. Devs liked it as it didnt have bloatware to contend with.

More recent Nexus models have become more mainstream. Android is prettier. Updates have become more popular and the consumers are more aware of latest versions etc. The Nexus line is now a consumer model but is still favoured by many developers as it has the most up to date software.

It really isnt rocket science and doesnt need pages and pages of arguments ......

Do you really think that Google keep a phone unlocked because thats what consumers want ???

[Zack06]

Originally Posted by slick1two

Reference models are NOT made available to the general public, what are you on about??? At CES this year Nvidia were showing off a tablet which was a reference model just for showing off some new tech. It's not in mass production and is not sold to the public.

It is you who does not know what a reference model is. The Nexus 4 is NOT a reference model. It IS a consumer phone available sim free and on contract from networks. Why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp?

Yes NOW it can be a considered a consumer phone, but that's certainly not what Nexus has always been about. As I said earlier, Google shifted focus from developers to consumers from the Galaxy Nexus onwards as they realised the potential of a stock Android flagship.

[Scotty2012]

Nexus 4: Live in the Now

[konebyvax]

Originally Posted by Scotty2012

Nexus 4: Live in the Now

They must believe they have got the stock to satisfy the demand now, I suspect.

[noise747]

Originally Posted by Scotty2012

Nexus 4: Live in the Now

That Google now looks a bit scary to be honest. I tend to keep location switched off.

[Stiggles]

Originally Posted by noise747

That Google now looks a bit scary to be honest. I tend to keep location switched off.

Oh for goodness sake!!

Why is it scary?

(this is gonna be good )

[neo_wales]

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Oh for goodness sake!!

Why is it scary?

(this is gonna be good )

Makes it harder for the black helicopters to find him

[Zack06]

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Oh for goodness sake!!

Why is it scary?

(this is gonna be good )

I find the location thing of Google Now scary as well so mine is turned off too. I discovered my Location Dashboard a while back and the phone had been recording everywhere I went and at what time, which really freaked me out, so I turned it off. I can understand why people wouldn't want that.

Google Now can still work without Location History and I'm happy to keep it that way...I don't want data about where I'm going and how long I'm there for being sent off to a server somewhere. I find that concept frightening.

[hutchingsp]

What difference do GPS and location tracking make to battery life unless you're specifically using something like maps or a website that wants to access the location data?

[Stiggles]

Originally Posted by Zack06

I find the location thing of Google Now scary as well so mine is turned off too. I discovered my Location Dashboard a while back and the phone had been recording everywhere I went and at what time, which really freaked me out, so I turned it off. I can understand why people wouldn't want that.

Google Now can still work without Location History and I'm happy to keep it that way...I don't want data about where I'm going and how long I'm there for being sent off to a server somewhere. I find that concept frightening.

Must admit, i dont care. If they want to see what time my bus was or when i went for a coffee or went to work they can!

[neo_wales]

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Must admit, i dont care. If they want to see what time my bus was or when i went for a coffee or went to work they can!

Totally agree Stiggle old boy, I don't give a flying fig what google knows about me. When you consider there are hundreds of various agencies in the UK with a LOT of personal data about you at their fingertips Google Now is really of no concern.

[paulbrock]

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Oh for goodness sake!!

Why is it scary?

(this is gonna be good )

noise747 hates everything to do with Google.

[flynn]

Originally Posted by neo_wales

Totally agree Stiggle old boy, I don't give a flying fig what google knows about me. When you consider there are hundreds of various agencies in the UK with a LOT of personal data about you at their fingertips Google Now is really of no concern.

Each to their own - I'm not that comfortable with Google (or any third party for that matter) holding a history of everywhere I've been, and my life isn't exciting enough for Google Now to be useful enough. Plus, when it was switched on, I found location history & reporting to have a noticeable impact on battery life.