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Old 12-02-2013, 11:55
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I thought it was brilliant. Please, if you haven't watched it and you're considering it, do it. If the reason you don't like it is because it was unsettling, eerie and disturbing, then you probably won't like the rest of Black Mirror. That's the point of it, to give us a scary look at what the nearby future could be like. It explores our chaotic relationship with media and technology.

I liked the ending because they ended it nicely, the ending might have felt more finished if they had both jumped of the cliff. But the ending shows that even though he isn't really Ash, Martha can't let go.
It could have went all Frankenstein in the middle with Martha rejecting the clone or some of the technology goes wrong and we could have had a rather nasty ending. That could have been a more satisfying ending. I'm starting to wonder if that's what Charlie is going for, if the ending feels slightly open it can leave you feeling uneasy, sort of irritated. I don't know about everybody else but that's what Black Mirror does for me. It gives me a look at what things could be like and it's terrifying, it leaves me wondering. And however ironic this may sound, the episode has had endless amounts of praise on twitter.

Anyone saying it isn't plausible and no such internet technology will ever be made, I saw someone post this on twitter http://liveson.org/

And The National Anthem (the pig one) really isn't as scaring as people make it out to be. The Pig isn't the focus, it's about how people react to news through social media. The plot twist ion The National Anthem was fantastic, it's cringey but not in a sense that it hurts to watch but you can't believe that it happens the way it happens.
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Old 12-02-2013, 12:22
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This is reminding me of something else I've seen recently but I can't think what?
"Caprica"? They managed to make this idea (and, admittedly, several others) last for 18 episodes.
Using social media to round out a virtual person and then have them end up in a robot body was the basis for the entire series.
Zoe Greystone + killer robot = one of the best tv series ever to axed prematurely.
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Old 12-02-2013, 12:27
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"Caprica"? They managed to make this idea (and, admittedly, several others) last for 18 episodes.
Using social media to round out a virtual person and then have them end up in a robot body was the basis for the entire series.
Zoe Greystone + killer robot = one of the best tv series ever to axed prematurely.

thankyou , I've been trying to remember for days where I'd seen this done before . Caprica used the person's internet activity to recreate them too .

I thought Black Mirror was ok , but nothing very new , I'll be honest the most compelling thing was Hayley Atwell's bangers , she's got a fantastic pair of jugs on her , she could probably give a Ken doll an erection .

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Old 12-02-2013, 13:11
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There was something of the innocence of the Ash-clone that reminded me of Data .....
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Old 12-02-2013, 13:36
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Hated it.

But only because of how unsettlingly real it felt. Only the technology advances were clear fiction and, in the future, who knows?

The rest was pure human nature.

Companies would exploit grief by selling tech.
People do put an awful lot online.
People probably do ignore their other half in favour of technology.
You would be tempted to bring a loved one back from the dead, especially if you were pregnant.
You don't admit you like the Bee Gees online.
I think you'd be surprised by the amount of tricked out coffins available, I believe one exists that has an infinite playlist on repeat so the dead body can rot to the sounds of an iTunes selection.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-the-dead.html
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Old 12-02-2013, 13:45
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First time I've seen one of CBs programmes. I really thought it was quite a compelling episode and really got me thinking more about the character's feelings and emotions. Especially Martha's ever need to be in contact with Ash again. I thought the portrayal of someone who'd lost a person unexpectedly after a very intimate encounter would send the grief to high scale proportions. It was very believable but was eary more than scary (than I originally thought!).

Left myself and my flatmate very speechless as the ending probably left more questions unanswered than solved. I personally like that.
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Old 12-02-2013, 13:49
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Does anyone know if Inbound, the script considered too dark and possibly too expensive for the first series, will be part of this new series?
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Old 12-02-2013, 13:51
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When Ash only existed online, it was interesting and even plausible. However, once clone Ash appeared, the leap into more extreme science-fiction was too jarring.

And yeah, the end was a bit of a cop out. She realised he wasn't really Ash. Until he cried a bit, cos she told him too. And so she went back to not being able to let him go again.

Yeah that is what I thought... I liked the idea of the expert system profiling someone from their online information. It went a bit too sci-fi with the robot/clone. I think it would be more interesting to look into the problems of anybody just ordering a robot/clone without any consent to the original person. So in this future anyone can just order a sex-bot of someone if they can just type in their name?

This part of the drama just made me think of Futurama and Fry ordering a Lucy Lu sex-bot and the dangers of the robot-sex!
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Old 12-02-2013, 14:00
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I thought it was brilliant. Please, if you haven't watched it and you're considering it, do it. If the reason you don't like it is because it was unsettling, eerie and disturbing, then you probably won't like the rest of Black Mirror. That's the point of it, to give us a scary look at what the nearby future could be like. It explores our chaotic relationship with media and technology.

I liked the ending because they ended it nicely, the ending might have felt more finished if they had both jumped of the cliff. But the ending shows that even though he isn't really Ash, Martha can't let go.
It could have went all Frankenstein in the middle with Martha rejecting the clone or some of the technology goes wrong and we could have had a rather nasty ending. That could have been a more satisfying ending. I'm starting to wonder if that's what Charlie is going for, if the ending feels slightly open it can leave you feeling uneasy, sort of irritated. I don't know about everybody else but that's what Black Mirror does for me. It gives me a look at what things could be like and it's terrifying, it leaves me wondering. And however ironic this may sound, the episode has had endless amounts of praise on twitter.

Anyone saying it isn't plausible and no such internet technology will ever be made, I saw someone post this on twitter http://liveson.org/

And The National Anthem (the pig one) really isn't as scaring as people make it out to be. The Pig isn't the focus, it's about how people react to news through social media. The plot twist ion The National Anthem was fantastic, it's cringey but not in a sense that it hurts to watch but you can't believe that it happens the way it happens.
I thought National Anthem brought up interesting ideas regarding civic duty, public peer pressure, social media bullying, propaganda, public idols being adored for what they represent rather than who the they are and also celebrity degradation for public entertainment.

I did find it a case of life imitating art when Nadine Dorries decided to volunteer for a contest on TV where you eat wild boar testicles and kangaroo anuses considering the show was about a political figure humiliating themselves to earn public favour even at the cost of their professional dignity and personal pride and the stigma such acts can have on your real personal relationship.

I found his wife playing along in public and then looking at him with contempt behind closed doors after he caved to the public's demand and the threat involved quite sad but very believable considering the whole after Jacqui Smith stood by her husband when he claimed expenses through her to pay for porn, surely they must have had strong words privately even though they took a united stand publicly.

This episode was quite sad in many ways, that someone would rather cling to a lifelike clone rather than let go of their loved one even if they could barely bring themselves to see them and kept them sequestered in the attic. Even though the sex was apparently much better and the cyborg could mimic everything it was instructed to do in the manner of the boyfriend, it still wasn't a real substitute because it was only doing what it knew how to from programming and accumlated data and felt nothing, not pain, pleasure, joy or sadness, unless it was told that is what it was expected to do.
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Old 12-02-2013, 14:00
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A lot of people were disappointed with the ending but I thought it was great. Everyone now expects shows or films to end with a big bang or a twist (boring). This was more realistic in that she couldn't live with the robot/replicant, but she couldn't quite let go either. So she put him in the attic, exactly like his mother did with the pictures of his brother and father.

Also people complaining about the sci-fi elements not being plausible... if you don't like sci-fi then fine but don't bash it for not being realistic. It's a fictional story about human emotions, not flipping Eastenders.
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Old 12-02-2013, 14:07
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A lot of people were disappointed with the ending but I thought it was great. Everyone now expects shows or films to end with a big bang or a twist (boring). This was more realistic in that she couldn't live with the robot/replicant, but she couldn't quite let go either. So she put him in the attic, exactly like his mother did with the pictures of his brother and father.

Also people complaining about the sci-fi elements not being plausible... if you don't like sci-fi then fine but don't bash it for not being realistic. It's a fictional story about human emotions, not flipping Eastenders.
I'd argue Eastenders is just as farcical if not as sci-fi oriented given the amount of sexual relationships Max Branning has given he is a bland, balding and overly aggressive ginger bloke who looks like he scrubs his face with a concrete based exfoliant and a washcloth made of sandpaper. Yet somehow he manages to bag women half his age off his better looking but now deceased son, strippers and still keep Tanya coming back for more. It's certainly not his charming demeanour or trustworthy, reliable nature.
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Old 12-02-2013, 14:21
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Was a bit disappointed with the end.....nice tits though
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Old 12-02-2013, 14:22
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I'm watching it now, albeit with a hint of trepidation
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Old 12-02-2013, 14:58
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Truly Madly Deeply for the digital age. Without the emotion or Alan Rickman
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Old 12-02-2013, 15:11
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Was a bit disappointed with the end.....nice tits though
I think if you view it as a sad acceptance situation rather than having thought there would be some hugely dramatic denoument, it works fine.

We still don't know if she went all the way up the steps to confront the cyborg clone. It was clear she was clinging to the boyfriend, both by raising their child alone and by keeping Clone Ash in the attic (which is a nice little visual pun on Cash In The Attic, where something you once valued has been left alone until it can be exploited again when the right opportunity arises, such as the girl explaining she lied about wanting cake for him so she could have two slices for herself). It's also interesting while she let her daughter call him Ash, she wouldn't let her call him Daddy even though he was the only version of her real father she'd ever know. To me it was more about coping with loss and being unable to move on in a healthy way by honouring their wishes rather than selfishly clinging to what you remembered them for, not who they actually were. I also think it is significant that while the parents kept the photos of their son in the attic, she kept a lifelike simulacrum of her dead lover in the same place as the previous poster mentioned. Both tried to lock away their loss, only confronting it when it suited them.
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Old 12-02-2013, 15:17
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WTF was that silly sh*t?!?!?! *deletes series link*
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Old 12-02-2013, 15:24
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WTF was that silly sh*t?!?!?! *deletes series link*
You can go back to Corrie and Eastenders now if you have no time to think about the messages behind Black Mirror.
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Old 12-02-2013, 15:26
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WTF was that silly sh*t?!?!?! *deletes series link*
Think of the pig Luke...think of the pig
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Old 12-02-2013, 15:30
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You can go back to Corrie and Eastenders now if you have no time to think about the messages behind Black Mirror.
No need to be mean, if it is not being enjoyed by some that's their opinion to have. Would you like to address some of the issues/themes/scenes I have raised in regards to the show?
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Old 12-02-2013, 15:31
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Truly Madly Deeply for the digital age. Without the emotion or Alan Rickman
Truly Madly Deeply wiped the floor with last nights tripe
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Old 12-02-2013, 15:40
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Truly Madly Deeply wiped the floor with last nights tripe
To be fair I think expecting a feature length film by Anthony Minghella to be equalled by Charlie Brooker over the course of 43 minutes is like expecting a Mini Metro to beat a Ferrari. Hayley Atwell is very pretty and Brooker made it clear he thought she was too and has been a fan of hers since her early work in his Guardian columns since reprinted as books. She is certainly not as talented as Juliet Stevenson and the material was nowhere near as emotive, nor could it be given the sci-fi element making it unrealistic.
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Old 12-02-2013, 15:44
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Truly Madly Deeply wiped the floor with last nights tripe
Might watch this when I get chance, as never got round to seeing it originally and really enjoyed last nights ep.
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Old 12-02-2013, 15:47
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I was working last night so just caught up with it.

Interesting concept. Even if the end product could have been a bit more polished.

I think people are right saying that it strayed off a bit. The early bits where she was just chatting to him using text was nearly plausible.

There's this thing called cleverbot which is an AI thing that you can speak to, which even though it's very flawed it's derived from studying the conversational behaviours of people and then it tries to replicate it.

It's arguable that one day it would be possible to artificially create the illusion of speaking to an individual person by studying their conversation behaviours on FB, Twitter, texts, emails, etc.
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Old 12-02-2013, 15:50
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I put off watching it because I thought that it might upset me but I've just watched it now on 4OD and thought it was the second best episode after The National Anthem.
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Old 12-02-2013, 15:52
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Was a bit disappointed with the end.....nice tits though
Glad it wasn't just me thinking that
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