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Old 12-02-2013, 07:37
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NFC - genuinely please tell me when I would find that useful
GPS - my iPad has GPS
Flash Video - big deal, the world is moving away
Suit pocket - my iPad fits my suit pocket
Hi Res screen - I have said loads of times that despite lower res screen the iPad mini is a better experience due to the much greater screen real estate
Drag and Drop - yes, you've found something I'd like, but not at the expense of other things I do like about the Apple ecosystem.
Loads more expensive - how many times do I have to say the N7 is BETTER VALUE FOR MONEY but that is not the issue being debated here.
What is drag and drop?
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Old 12-02-2013, 07:56
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get the ipad on contract from ee or buy it outright then go on a sim only?
Just work out the cheapest.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:00
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What is drag and drop?
Dragging files easily in your file manager on your computer. Apple don't allow that.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:05
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Dragging files easily in your file manager on your computer. Apple don't allow that.
Not sure I understand. I use a file manager on my iPad and store almost everything on my NAS drive. I copy it using the iPad (movies, docs, etc).

The only exception is music, which although you can copy across, it is a lot neater using iTunes.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:05
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Dragging files easily in your file manager on your computer. Apple don't allow that.
Yes they do.

My normal method for putting music (mp3, ripped on laptop from CD) is to drag the MP3 from windows explorer to the iPhone/iPod in iTunes.

Works perfectly, really don't understand what issues people have with this idiotic claim that Apple don't allow drag and drop, when they do!
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:11
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You misunderstand my comparison. All through this debate I have always said the Nexus 7 is better value for money. My only point is that IMO the mini is "better" in the way that say a BMW is "better" than a Ford Mondeo when not considering value for money.
Hahaha, nope. Car analogies barely ever work, and this one is particularly bad. An equivalent BMW is not inherently better than a Ford Mondeo. BMW don't use better quality components, are no more reliable. Its personal preference.

So on that count, actually its quite true - the iPad Mini isn't inherently better than the Nexus 7. Some people may prefer one over the other, it doesn't mean that one is actually better than the other.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:11
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Dragging files easily in your file manager on your computer. Apple don't allow that.
Other than of course via iTunes - and please don't start on iTunes, I hate it as much as the next man. However, the reason why there is no general purpose file system drag and drop is because Apple have chosen an applications-centric view of the world. Time will tell whether this is a sensible one, personally I'm not that keen, but then I'm a techie and the hierarchical file system is ingrained in me.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:14
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Hahaha, nope. Car analogies barely ever work, and this one is particularly bad. An equivalent BMW is not inherently better than a Ford Mondeo. BMW don't use better quality components, are no more reliable. Its personal preference.

So on that count, actually its quite true - the iPad Mini isn't inherently better than the Nexus 7. Some people may prefer one over the other, it doesn't mean that one is actually better than the other.
I think we're getting rather semantic to disprove a point. I mean it in the very simplistic sense that a 10 year old boy uses when he says "my dad's car is better than yours" a concept well understood by the man in the street.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:14
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Other than of course via iTunes - and please don't start on iTunes, I hate it as much as the next man. However, the reason why there is no general purpose file system drag and drop is because Apple have chosen an applications-centric view of the world. Time will tell whether this is a sensible one, personally I'm not that keen, but then I'm a techie and the hierarchical file system is ingrained in me.
As I said, I copy from nas to iPad. I hardly ever use my NetBoot and never to get files.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:36
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Yes they do.

My normal method for putting music (mp3, ripped on laptop from CD) is to drag the MP3 from windows explorer to the iPhone/iPod in iTunes.

Works perfectly, really don't understand what issues people have with this idiotic claim that Apple don't allow drag and drop, when they do!
For a start you have to have iTunes for it to work, no use at work. You also can't just drag and drop any files like it were a memory stick. People say it because its true!
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:12
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Yes they do.

My normal method for putting music (mp3, ripped on laptop from CD) is to drag the MP3 from windows explorer to the iPhone/iPod in iTunes.

Works perfectly, really don't understand what issues people have with this idiotic claim that Apple don't allow drag and drop, when they do!
I genuinely didn't know that.

So now you can plug an iPhone/iPad into (say) your works machine and drag files to/from it as if it were a USB drive ? You don't need iTunes on the pc ? That sounds very progressive from apple.
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:26
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I genuinely didn't know that.

So now you can plug an iPhone/iPad into (say) your works machine and drag files to/from it as if it were a USB drive ? You don't need iTunes on the pc ? That sounds very progressive from apple.
That isn't what he said. You may wish to re-read it.
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:32
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That isn't what he said. You may wish to re-read it.
Oh.

So you can't drag and drop in the usual sense then ? Just through itunes ???
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:37
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Oh.

So you can't drag and drop in the usual sense then ? Just through itunes ???
In the usual sense lots of devices use file managers (which is what iTunes is) to make sure the experience on the device is better.

When I originally put music on my phone using "drag and drop" the structure was a mess, I had to use a music manager to do it properly. Strangely enough, I didn't view that as a bad thing.

I'm sure it is a very important feature for you.
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:43
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In the usual sense lots of devices use file managers (which is what iTunes is) to make sure the experience on the device is better.

When I originally put music on my phone using "drag and drop" the structure was a mess, I had to use a music manager to do it properly. Strangely enough, I didn't view that as a bad thing.

I'm sure it is a very important feature for you.
I'm talking files, documents etc here rather than specific music.

I do agree drag and drop for music can be frustrating if you are not organised but for us windows users iTunes isn't great.

Drag and drop isn't something I use every day but occasionally it comes in handy. The original post was suggesting it was madness to say that apple dont do drag and drop. As far as I can see they don't do what most people (rightly or wrongly) think of as drag and drop.
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:52
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In the usual sense lots of devices use file managers (which is what iTunes is) to make sure the experience on the device is better.

When I originally put music on my phone using "drag and drop" the structure was a mess, I had to use a music manager to do it properly. Strangely enough, I didn't view that as a bad thing.

I'm sure it is a very important feature for you.
.... And to be fair if iTunes is a very important feature for you then great. You have made the right choice of hardware. I think you will find that my stance is that people should choose the hardware that meets their needs, through investigation. If that's (shudder) an apple product or (almost equal shudder) an s3 then fair enough. As long as its because of the right reason rather than just because a company has bought out a new version of something that you MUST have regardless of reviews or functionality.

I'm perfectly happy that your requirements will differ from mine and as such your educated choice of hardware will differ. I'm a consultant IT business analyst so I spend a lot of time unearthing requirements.
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:52
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I'm talking files, documents etc here rather than specific music.

I do agree drag and drop for music can be frustrating if you are not organised but for us windows users iTunes isn't great.

Drag and drop isn't something I use every day but occasionally it comes in handy. The original post was suggesting it was madness to say that apple dont do drag and drop. As far as I can see they don't do what most people (rightly or wrongly) think of as drag and drop.
I agree, they don't allow you to plug the machine in and use it like a USB. Actually, if I was to be honest, I don't actually know as I've never done it. I transfer files to my iPad often but I get them from my NAS or Dropbox which are available all the time.

I wouldn't want the impression given that it is difficult to get files onto the iPad.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:05
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I agree, they don't allow you to plug the machine in and use it like a USB. Actually, if I was to be honest, I don't actually know as I've never done it. I transfer files to my iPad often but I get them from my NAS or Dropbox which are available all the time.

I wouldn't want the impression given that it is difficult to get files onto the iPad.
No. Some people may find it easier if they are used to iTunes. I would say its trickier to transfer files to/from when out and about perhaps. But to be fair with drop box etc even that is getting simpler....
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Old 12-02-2013, 12:16
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I agree, they don't allow you to plug the machine in and use it like a USB. Actually, if I was to be honest, I don't actually know as I've never done it. I transfer files to my iPad often but I get them from my NAS or Dropbox which are available all the time.

I wouldn't want the impression given that it is difficult to get files onto the iPad.
Using it as a memory stick is handy to get lots of data to/from places with crap or restricted internet. Whether that be at a work place or a friend/families house.

I tend to move my steam games to to work which are gigs in size.

But i use my NAS around the house like you do.
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Old 12-02-2013, 13:21
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Other than of course via iTunes - and please don't start on iTunes, I hate it as much as the next man. However, the reason why there is no general purpose file system drag and drop is because Apple have chosen an applications-centric view of the world. Time will tell whether this is a sensible one, personally I'm not that keen, but then I'm a techie and the hierarchical file system is ingrained in me.
In fact, Android is also moving away from a traditional file system, which is one justification Google gives for not having SD cards.

Why donít Nexus devices have SD cards?

Everybody likes the idea of having an SD card, but in reality it's just confusing for users.

If youíre saving photos, videos or music, where does it go? Is it on your phone? Or on your card? Should there be a setting? Prompt everytime? What happens to the experience when you swap out the card? Itís just too complicated.

We take a different approach. Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.
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Nonetheless, having to install extra software (or indeed plug in your tablet using wires) is less than ideal. In fact I don't think I've ever plugged in my Nexus 7 to my PC.
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Old 12-02-2013, 14:26
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In fact, Android is also moving away from a traditional file system, which is one justification Google gives for not having SD cards.



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Nonetheless, having to install extra software (or indeed plug in your tablet using wires) is less than ideal. In fact I don't think I've ever plugged in my Nexus 7 to my PC.
Very good reasons given for not having SD cards. I would imagine some on here will be having kittens.

I plugged my iPad in once, to enable wireless transfer.
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Old 12-02-2013, 14:42
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Very good reasons given for not having SD cards. I would imagine some on here will be having kittens.

I plugged my iPad in once, to enable wireless transfer.
For my phone i wanted an SD card slot so i could boost the capacity and use it as a memory stick.

But i dont think i've ever plugged my Nexus 10 in, its been entirely wireless access, especially since it never leaves the house anyway all my data is on my NAS.
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Old 12-02-2013, 17:30
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There's a very good reason for a traditional file system.

Its called user control. The other stuff is really about controlling you.
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Old 13-02-2013, 22:56
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I wouldn't want the impression given that it is difficult to get files onto the iPad.
Oh but it is. As you all know full well I am firmly planted in the Apple camp, but the thing I most dislike about the Apple environment is the problem of getting files to and from my iDevices. Woe betide you if you need to add a couple of photos to an iPad that are not part of a synced iPhoto library. Or if you want to get an audio book onto your wife's iPhone which is synced with a different library. In the latter case it is necessary to erase the entire music collection to add an audio book ! Why ? It's fine if you don't stray from the tightly coupled libraries on the PC/Mac sync'ed to equivalent libraries on the iDevice, but not if you want to do anything slightly ad hoc.
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Old 13-02-2013, 22:56
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Yet paradoxically, despite having a file system, there is no simple way of backing up an entire Android device (by which I mean settings, apps, app data, ringtones, wallpapers, photos, videos etc).

iTunes does all this in a couple of clicks.
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